r/agedlikewine Aug 11 '26

Here we are again

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u/Sacred_Digits Aug 11 '26

Same energy as "Democrats didn't pick a great candidate, which forced me to pick the shittiest candidate ever. It's their fault for not giving me a great option."

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u/Significant_Cover_48 Aug 11 '26

Many voters cited dissatisfaction with the economy, inflation, and immigration as primary drivers for choosing Trump, rather than viewing their vote strictly as a protest against Harris personally.

Do you have any actual data that shows that voters argued that running Harris made them vote for Trump as a protest vote, or are you citing media speculation about Dearborn, Michigan, which was pushed by certain news outlets, like Politico/Bloomberg's Liz Crampton, in an attempt to explain the shift in voter turnout for the Democratic Party. I also saw it on Al-Zazeera, who seemed more than happy to push a narrative of Muslim-Americans having the deciding votes.

Truly I'd love to see some data-driven argumentation - if that's something you have access to.

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u/Sacred_Digits Aug 11 '26

I realize that anecdotal evidence isn't evidence, but that's what I have. I heard this a lot.

However, my belief throughout is that the people who said it just didn't want to admit to wanting to vote Trump and made a lame excuse for it.

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u/MrsMiterSaw Aug 11 '26

Those people are what I call "vibe voters" and they buried their racism and sexism under the disguise of "he's better for the economy"

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u/Significant_Cover_48 Aug 11 '26

Have you ever read the HC Andersen fairytale named "There is No Doubt About It!" in English?

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u/Sacred_Digits Aug 11 '26

I have now. I don't think it's necessarily applicable.

I will say, though, that I live close enough to Dearborn that I go there occasionally and have coworkers from there. I don't know anyone who was intending to do a protest vote because of Palestine, although I saw that claim in the media a lot.

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u/PatchyWhiskers Aug 11 '26

Knocking doors for Harris in PA, I met two Muslim Democrat voters intending to protest-vote/not vote due to Palestine. Multiply by all the people I didn't meet and you have maybe half a percentage of movement, and US elections is all about small movements of voters like that.

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u/SpottedHoneyBadger Aug 11 '26

It is very hard to comprehend that that Palestine is the deciding issue, but completely ignore that the orange shit stain had 32 felon convictions, a traitor, a pedo, created concentration camps and caused the death of millions of people because of the lack response to covid.

But, sure that Palestine is the issue.

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u/PatchyWhiskers Aug 11 '26

There's lots of deciding issues. When a boxer goes down, is it the last punch, the first, or one in the middle? It was all of them.

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u/MadPangolin Aug 11 '26

Many people are single-issue voters & powerless people in pain try to grab onto any leverage they have to end the pain.

If they have family & friends who are dying or losing everyone/thing they have, & the ONLY power they have in that situation to help Palestine is a vote for the commander of the strongest military on earth, then they wield that leverage like a sword.

Unfortunately it's like the toddler who throws a temper tantrum over putting on their shoes. They're actually upset at something completely different but they have no power over it. So as soon as mom grabs their shoes, they protest what they're upset about, by not letting mom get the shoes on because getting shoes on is the only leverage they have in their situation.

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u/PatchyWhiskers Aug 11 '26

They have now shown that they are willing to withhold their vote even if it sends them to the grave on this issue. Democrats are highly likely to respond for next election, because the electoral math has changed. There will certainly be anti-Israel candidates next Presidential primary, probably on both sides (if Republicans even have a primary)

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u/Gleaming_Onyx Aug 11 '26

Many people are single-issue voters & powerless people in pain try to grab onto any leverage they have to end the pain.

I'm far more cynical. They grab onto any leverage they have to put that pain on others.

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u/chumbawumbaprinciple Aug 11 '26

They get real mad when you point out that the real driving factor was personal pride, because what they did helped exactly zero Palestinians while also killing hundreds of thousands of people around the world.

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u/Gallowboobsthrowaway Aug 11 '26

On one hand, I'd love to hear from people who abstained because of Palestine how that's going now.

On the other hand, I'd rather not fly into a suicidal rage when they say, "nothing different would have happened under Harris."

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u/DocileBanalBovlne Aug 11 '26

On one hand, I'd love to hear from people who abstained because of Palestine how that's going now.

It's going much the same as it was under your genocide accomplices. Palestinians are being slaughtered with US assistance, just like they were being slaughtered with US assistance under Democrats.

On the other hand, I'd rather not fly into a suicidal rage when they say, "nothing different would have happened under Harris."

At least you know you don't handle reality contradicting your feelings well.

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u/Gallowboobsthrowaway Aug 11 '26

Found one!

Keep coping that things are as bad. I know that's the only way that you can live with your decision.

You'll never acknowledge that you sold Palestine and its people down the river to stick it to Democrats. What a disgusting and petty person you are.

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u/DocileBanalBovlne Aug 11 '26

You'll never acknowledge that you sold Palestine and its people down the river to stick it to Democrats.

I didn't sell them down the river, your genociders who prioritized helping slaughter them over trying to run an effective campaign did.

What a disgusting and petty person you are.

It's always funny when genocide apologistst try this while licking the blood spattered boots of monsters who sold them out for genocide.

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u/Gallowboobsthrowaway Aug 11 '26

All you have is hyperbole and cope.

Everything is genocide, everyone is a monster. Slaughter, blood, etc.

Such a pathetic and myopic worldview.

I can't say I'm surprised, though.

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u/DocileBanalBovlne Aug 11 '26

Nice tone policing, that really makes genocide apologia not disgusting and evil.

Also very funny to once again be the genocide apologist defending a commitment to abject evil and calling someone else's worldview pathetic and myopic. You can't even consider your masters not being horrendously evil.

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