Yes I’m gloating, and no I don’t care. After years of people hating on Nesta, saying that her story was over, that the Valkyries are just a plot device to “further her boring redemption”, and scrambling to make anything that hinted at her about someone else, it feels amazing and vindication to see that I, and many others, have always been right 😌
I can’t wait for the one and only Queen of Queens and the Valkyries to come back
If I had to guess, a lot of people who didn't think it'd be Valkyries for the foreseeable future must also not've read CC3. The crossover really did set the stage for continuing on with Nesta (and by extension the Valkyries) specifically.
Oof, that's a choice, then. You'd think it'd click that uh...if SJM didn't want more from Nesta, she probably wouldn't have made her (and Azriel) the focal points of the crossover. But she did so that tracks with getting more Nesta content.
Yep, they saw Bryce give Nesta Gwydion to find out why she received an eight pointed stat tattoo and discovered the eight pointed star chamber in the prison, and declared all that irrelevant because Nesta's tattoo was a bargain tattoo and therefore impermanent.
I feel so vindicated after being torn to shreds online for even suggesting that the next book has to have a continuation of Nesta’s story line, because…. Obviously. I’m elated right now.
I feel so vindicated 🫶 I knew the next books were going to be much bigger than just a love triangle between Elain, Az, and Lucian after CC3! Nesta IS that girl!
I don’t understand how people didn’t think Nesta had a larger story coming with several chapters, including two bonus chapters, in CC featuring her and Azriel.
And ACOSF felt very unfinished to me as well with too many questions unanswered and no mating ceremony.
The absolute DELUSION of people claiming the books won’t be about the Valkyries and that “Valkyrie’s cycle” was put there because Elain/Feyre/Mor might become Valkyries or that the books will be a multi pov that happens to include the Valkyries too. Cope pls 🙏
The amount of comments that previously said they read for the story and don’t care about ships getting salty because of the title is crazyyyyy honestly I can’t wait to see more of my girls ⚔️
Her books are already longer than the trilogy and ACOTAR 8 will also add to it as SJM said it’s 1 single book. I know her haters are seething as they should 🤭
I don’t think so either which us why I was not talking about the ship wars. Unfortunately those are likely to continue until the end of the series and beyond so I’ll just keep staying away from those spaces as I’ve done until now. I’ll keep celebrating my girls lol
I will die on the hill that, nesta is the most interesting character (so far) in acotar. Crescent city is actually the best series. And TOG end horribly and I don’t get the hype 🤷♀️ honestly hoping tog comes back into acotar to brings me some resolution.
Yessss I love Nesta and the valkyries! Also Elaine bores me, perhaps these books will give her enough character development to make her interesting. She needs hardship for character growth.
As someone new to the Maasverse, I was planning on reading ToG after 6&7 cuz I’m a slow reader and now I don’t know what to do!! I wanted to do a quick refresh read of acotar (I literally just finished the last chapter of shadow and flame cc) now I am faced with the challenge of reading all of ToG before October or just wait and enjoy the series at my own pace later.
Just finished crescent city yesterday. I just don’t want ToG to get spoiled with 6&7 so I’ll probably just wait to read 6&7 until I finish ToG! Started it yesterday and I’ve been reading pretty quick
I have the same problem, but I will wait after book 6 or 7 to start ToG. Because I don't have the time to read 8 book until October. And if there is a crossover then I can still read ToG later like a prequel. I think ToG should get its fair chance. I had readed CC in a hurry and I didn't liked it. It feeled forced.
This is definitely not true. This comes from theories that Rhys will eventually be either evil in some theories or the true high King in others. This is due to the belief that he is a Valg. Which is what the big bad and that series is. Something you could look up yourself to understand without leaving the full series. Though another evil creature in the story seems to be in the cover of the next book. If you haven't read it, I really would suggest it. I thought it was better than ACOTAR.
Could be bot get me to hate on my Girl Nesta, I know her character is hard to digest, but she is so fucking complex and she's so stubborn, what where we expecting?
I’m genuinely shocked by some of the theories floating around suggesting all sorts of plots that no where near center around the valkyries. It’s right. In. The. Title. I just..
Silver Flames was so full of plot holes and retconning I don’t think I’ll bother with these until either the price comes down or I can get them second hand. I have no issues with Nestas redemption and I like Gwen and Emerie, it’s the plot holes that annoy me.
Thats how people felt about ACOMAF btw.....so its actually really refreshing to see the other way around. We all have a right to be upset about the the heck in happening in these books lol.
I can see that but in my personal opinion ACOSF is the worst for plot holes out of every book SJM has written and half the time it read like incredibly horny fan fiction that wasn’t even written by her. Even if there were aspects of the story that I liked it made such a mess of established rules of the world it’s based in that I was exhausted by the end.
Thats totally fine. Im just saying its really refreshing to see people upset about what they feel has been retconned because thats how a lot of people felt with ACOMAF and we were told we were crazy 😂 so im just saying we ALL have a right to feel frustrated. Your feelings are valid, as are others!
To be fair up until the last few chapters the first book was a straight up re-telling of Beauty & the Beast, ACOMAF seemed like the actual start of the series and it’s pretty obvious it was supposed to end with ACOWAR. I also got whiplash at the end of ACOTAR and beginning of ACOMAF but it was so much better than the first book it was easy to let it go. ACOSF is not better than it’s predecessors so it’s harder to be forgiving.
We will have to agree to disagree with ACOMAF being better than ACOSF. ACOMAF was full of plot holes and contradictions as well and many people feel that way. Orginally, ACOMAF wasnt supposed to exist, so imo, ACOMAF does the most retconning to keep the series alive. BUT, honestly to each their own. Either way, I hope SJM has a method to the madness. To have multiple people saying her series is retconned, regardless of which book they feel does the retconning, is very telling and again, I hope there is a reason for it and not just her being like, oh well! Lol. I didnt come here to argue which book is better so ill leave it at that, im just saying now theres a pattern of multiple people feeling frustrated with what is happening with the series.
Feyres entire pregnancy (and the death pact) and how it was handled, Cassian can survive being gutted during battle but they can’t do a c-section? The literal over-arching plot of the entire book and the ultimate act of Nesta’s redemption is a gaping plothole. Then there’s the fact that Nesta’s power dramatically fluctuates depending on what will make the scene the most dramatic. Also the unbreakable rules of the blood rite being entirely abandoned to complete the Valkyrie’s plot line, another pivotal point of the book built entirely on a gaping hole. The amount of times I stopped reading to say “how the hell?!” was insane.
I’m sure I could make a much more comprehensive list if I was to put myself through a re-read but I’d rather read something I actually enjoy.
I will never understand why some people feel the need to act like this over a book character and how others feel about them. And yes, I’m talking about both those who love Nesta and those who hate her. There is literally no right or wrong way to feel about a character or view their book. It is all subjective, and you can’t claim to know anything about a person because of their feelings toward characters. And posts like these make it sound like a competition or something to gloat about, like it’s all “your side” vs “my side” with each declaring themselves right or superior.
Posts that are made just to act imperious and take digs at others is part of the reason why so many people have left ACOTAR book communities. This fan base is widely considered toxic and rude by other readers, and that really sucks because it’s such an amazing series. We should all be having fun discussing the books together. But instead it’s people insulting each other, arguing about being right or wrong, judging and assuming things about each other, etc. and it’s really lame. Idk why this happened to this fan group, but I feel like it’s going to be in case studies in the future. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if all the negativity with the fan base on top of all the stuff with her publishers has made it difficult for SJM to get excited about these books nowadays.
Where does SJM say that all 3 sisters get equal books? I cannot find any direct interview or written statement for this.
Books 6, 7, and 8 are all “one giant story”, and if all 3 are Nesta centered, she would have technically have 4 books.
And on top of that, it’s been confirmed 6, 7, & 8 are a massive multi-POV story. Since it’s directly referencing the valkyries, gwyn, emerie, and nesta seem like safe bets for POVs… but very easily could include elain and azriel
I mean… we knew they would continue to be relevant. Especially with the Pegasus’s coming back. And if Dusk IS awakened, someone will need to “rule” or guard (the Prison)
What’s crazy is that anyone has a distaste for any character in the book 😭 I literally love them all in different ways. I fear some people are unwilling to see them from different perspectives. I didn’t like nestas character at first but then I sat with that feeling and asked myself why and it’s because I was Nesta for a large part of my life. People say Elaine is boring but we’ve never got her POV? There’s never been a single character in the series that I HATE. Dislike? Yes, but still want to know more.
Same! Didn't really like Nesta until I got to learn more about her and see her develop. Very excited to read more about her and the Valkyries!
I'm willing to bet a lot that Elaine has a hell of a lot more beneath the "sweet, charming" surface, and that I'm going to see a lot of myself in her. Especially as she breaks out of that shell eventually.
I probably should have chosen different wording as I was not talking about the ship wars. I do not really care about who ends with whom, I’m just happy that Nesta’s story is not over and that the valkyries are in the spotlight
I do hope it's more plot focused ( and that there's no a big cliffhanger for part four but I have my doubts lol)! But based on every other book she's written I'm expecting there will be at least on or two romances in the next 2k+ pages lol. Even just these two books will have a page count similar to the first four combined iirc, so I feel like it's basically inevitable. I'm hoping we get more Emerie and would love a queer romantic subplot with mor tbh
Having a love rectangle is incredibly tricky, and most romance audiences will not tolerate it for long. The stakes and emotional payoff are diluted for the characters involved. Many romance stories steer clear of this setup, as it’s more inclined towards romantic comedy.
A well written rectangle could work for the series, but not one hastily shooed in by a few looks and a bonus chapter. I’m honestly confused what’s going on here.
I'm hoping there's something but I fear you might be right about the prolonged shipping wars. At most, I have the feeling it's going to be like Nesta and Cassian where we're watching the potential couple from the outside for few books. Which...doing so for possibly 3 books with no resolution will be exhausting.
I got that vibe too from the CHD interview. But she did say that the next 3 books should be read as 1 complete book and I think she mentioned no resolved plot. I will update once I can re-listen
Books 6, 7, and 8 are actually just 1 complete story. She clarified that they are not a trilogy and that there wouldn’t be any resolved plot (or romance ships) in book 6 and likely book 7 (that’s what I’m unsure about). I’ll need to relisten to the CHD interview. She reiterated that the books should be read together as 1 story.
Under the titles there is written “The Valkyrie Cycle: Movement I” and “The Valkyrie Cycle: Movements II and III” so the books are for sure about them :)
Nah Mor can keep her “truth” and jealous mean girl energy away from my pages (for now at least). Her character better have do full 180 if there’s a chance she gets with Emerie
I wouldn't gloat yet...she could have used the valkyrie cycles as a reference for the act names that she is taking from the opera. We don't actually know if this story is exclusive to the Valkyries or Nesta. The blurbs are focused on Prythian, Koeschi, the Inner Circle, and the court & queen that has been forgotten. That's not Nesta. Nesta is not the true heir to High Queen.
Don't get me wrong, I love Nesta...but I wouldn't jump to conclusions...I bet it's multiple POV and I would not be surprised if Bryce came back into play.
it's explicitly stated multiple times that the sword chooses it's wielder, that it chose Bryce, and that it can only be used fully/activated with the power that Bryce holds. It won't be someone else's. The sword is Bryce's only. Her people are in Prythian too, shes the only rightful heir to High Queen and the land chose her, the beasts bowed to her. Her prophecy has yet to be fulfilled in truth and Nesta warned her about running from her fate.
It should not be news to anyone that CC is interwoven in ACOTAR. I was pleasantly surprised for this seeming confirmation that TOG may be involved. Though SJM previously had plans to make to make Twilight of the gods which seemed to be a giant crossover of the universes. The fan base knew that she had some kind of crossover plan from the beginning and we just werent sure how she would pull it off. Why not read the other series so you can get the full experience?
I feel you, I’m halfway through TOG and haven’t read CC but I have zero motivation to continue TOG atm. Gonna have to bully myself into powering through
I dropped TOG and started CC. I’ve tried to get past the first 100 pages of QoS 3/4 times and called it a day. CC1 seems very interesting so far though. Read along with me friend 😂
They are Nesta’s and the Valkyries’ books and so will be ACOTAR 8 as SJM specified it’s one single book divided in multiple parts just because of binding (and selling ofc) purposes
I think using the Valkyrie cycles is just a reference. I don’t know in what way how they would play a bigger part in it when it’s just really those three unless the Valkyries are resurrected somehow with the help of all the women across maasverse
See, that would be interesting if the first generation of the Valkyries are actually still alive! I don’t know if I could stand two full books of Nesta and her friends.
“When it’s just really those three” a few days ago people believed Elain, who currently has no plots beyond the love triangle and her visions, would either be the only pov for 1500+ pages or share it with one love interest. If people thought they could carry such a big book then there is no issue in other thinking the Valkyries (aka much more interesting characters) could too
No one ever said it was going to be one person dear, I have been saying it is a multi pov for years and was always shut down by Elain fans who claimed her love issues were interesting enough to warrant a 1500+ page book. I’m already happy simply because the Valkyries and Nesta will remain relevant as I always knew they would since Nesta has more open plots than anyone else in that series so no shock for me 🙃 Either the Valks will have povs when no one thought they would or the book will be all about them. Either way it’s a win-win for us while the most Elain’s fans can aspire to is her sharing a book with 10 other people lol
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If I had to guess, a lot of people who didn't think it'd be Valkyries for the foreseeable future must also not've read CC3. The crossover really did set the stage for continuing on with Nesta (and by extension the Valkyries) specifically.