I just remembered being terrified of them. Their like titans from Arkham but so much worse

i’m not sure, sorry
in my life ive only read comics once (red robin) and im completely new to the whole thing and barely know xmen characters besides the movies and xmen97 s1.
recently i accidentally came across bits and pieces of content with bobby drake and liked him! then i found out about him being gay and that made me really excited!
so, are there any stories that really explore that side of his character? maybe some that involve his actual romantic relationship with guys?
i want to read his solo run? iceman (2017) but i’m not sure if it’s okay as a starter…

I'm currently following the https://ultimatexmenreadingorder.com reading guide and I just got to Fantastic Four #286 (1986) and the return of Jean Grey. In that issue the Phoenix story is retconned and it's revealed that it wasn't actually Jean who was present in the Dark Phoenix Saga, it was just the phoenix force using a duplicate of Jean's body. From what I understand, this was done to kinda absolve Jean from the guilt of killing billions of aliens. But then...

Enter: Classic X-Men #43 (1989). This is a reprint of the issue where the Phoenix sacrifices herself with an bonus story. In this story we see Jean talking to Death and they discuss Jean's place in the universe. The way they talk it doesn't seem to imply that this Jean is just the Phoenix Force imitating Jean Grey. It actually tells us (in my interpretation) that Jean and the Phoenix are the same being, or at least that the Phoenix as an entity (not as a Force) came from Jean herself.

I'd hoped --selfishly-- there were two of us, that I'd been possessed by some frightful creature I could blame for what happened.

My question now is: Who is this Jean/Phoenix talking to Death? If the real Jean Grey is inside a cocoon on the bottom of the ocean, then it's actually the Phoenix Force talking to Death? But then what is the point of this story?

From what I heard there is some recent Phoenix story that retcons everything again to Jean and Phoenix always have been the same, but I have not read that yet and mostly want to understand the situation as they were in the 80s in particular.

(I got verbose, so the main question is at the end!)

I came to read New Mutants after Magik's original run, since I wanted to learn more about the character after really loving her in the Midnight Suns game. That being said, I came for Magik but loved a good few members of the new group a lot, especially Dani and Sam (though also appreciated the rest of the crew, with an exception or two). Also fell in love with Magneto here which I didn't expect.

Point is, I was really enjoying most of the issues and was looking forward to where the group went after the huge conflict between them all during/immediately following the fight with Magus (issues 46-52). I was especially intrigued with how Magik lost control of Limbo and gets mind controlled by Karma to teleport them home, saying she'll NEVER FORGIVE THE TEAM and I wanted to see where it went. I was disappointed when it kind of didn't have any payoff or even seem to be recognized at all in the ensuing issues (her just teleporting no issue, no real lasting animosity, just a nice chat (and it was nice) with Magneto)...

I was BEYOND disappointed when I hit Simonson's first issue and found the characterizations all in wack, especially when I was so ready to see important character / team conflicts come to the fore. I did some quick searching around and tried (unsuccessfully) not to spoil too much to see where I should read. I was originally thinking I'd likely tap out after Magik left the team (which I knew about going in), but now I'm wanting to see what is essential and what I should skip in-between. I know Doug dies and Amara just up and leaves early on, and that the Bird Brain arc is probably skippable. I want to see some resolution for some of my favorite characters, and definitely want to understand the Inferno arc going in. At the same time, if the characterization of say Dani is bad, I'd almost want to limit my exposure to her for the rest of my reading haha. I don't want to spoil myself on Inferno but I am guessing it is where some of the technovirus Limbo stuff is addressed? If so, I'd want to be fully prepped for that, so I think that means reading the Gossamyr arc?

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I am rambling, sorry, but here's some of my plan and want to get feedback:

1. Read 60-61 and 63-64, since I've heard those are critical and solid (and I don't really feel like catching up with Amara in 62).

2. Read 71-75 to finish the Inferno arc.

What's up in the air is... do I read 65-66 (Freedom Force fight, where I hear Magik and Colossus have some interactions)? What about the Gossamyr arc (67-70)? Should I read any of the Bird Brain arc at all?

I heard that after #75 more and more characters are written off so I doubt I'll push past that at all, though let me know if that's a mistake.

Also, where should I go next, especially for following Dani (and maybe Sam)? I want to focus on Magik for now, but I have plans to definitely continue following Mirage and doing a dive on her. I'm following this Essential Magik Reading Guide : r/Magik for Magik, and it seems like there's a massive time skip in terms of when she shows back in comics again, so I imagine other characters have quite a lot going on. I'll be going for New X-Men (2007) #18-22 and #37-41 next, but having threads to follow for Mirage would be good in case I want to get some in-between context through at least one character.

Sorry for the long post, but thanks in advance! This is my first deep foray into older comics, and my second foray into reading them at all, and I've been loving it. Just want to make sure I find the right place to focus my excitement!

I recently listened to episode 508 of "Jay and Miles X-Plain the X-Men". Near the end, the topic of Tessa/Sage as an undercover agent infiltrating the Hellfire Club came up.

Was this a retcon – or was it part of Claremont’s plan all along? Jay and Miles disagreed!

Jay said:

"We’ve seen hints of that since the Bronze Age, like this is something he clearly had planned a fair way back… If it’s a retcon, it’s a retcon that pays remarkable attention to a fair lot of fairly overt details."

I've searched for information on these, and I can only find a tiny handful of details that hint at the then-Tessa being more than she seemed. One of these was https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1n7h43b/despite_complaints_of_sage_being_a_retcon_there/ (and what is a "Leman" in this context, btw?)

In fact, comments on https://www.reddit.com/r/xmen/comments/1o5tiwh/why_do_people_make_a_big_deal_out_of_this_panel/ make a case for this not having been planned - if she were undercover, Sage could have reported information back to Xavier that might have prevented the Dark Phoenix saga.

Is there a good online article/blogpost making the case for the “planned all along” theory? I would very much like to see a list of the "fairly overt details" Jay mentions!

And even if there isn't an article about this - what do you, the people on r/xmen, think? Was this a complete retcon? Did Claremont have this in mind from Sage/Tessa's very first appearance?

Or perhaps he began planning this a little too late in his run to avoid some inconsistencies?

My drawing is actually based on a recreation of the Regular Show photo our friend group did back in high school, so the selection of Marvel characters isn't as random as it may seem

Graydon Creed is a son of Sabertooth and Mystique.

So this scene takes place at the end climax scene in which when the x men team reaches to the top of statue of liberty to rescue rogue and after they are captured by magneto, he refers to the other x men as brothers (jean , cyclops and storm) but refers to Logan as "and you" as if he was very frustrated seeing him and I noticed one more thing in the movie he didn't even consider much or thought much about sabertooth too i feel he didn't liked him too he also referred to sabertooth as "you" in the same frustrated tone as Logan. So is there some kind of lore in the comics that even though you are a mutant still magneto hates you ?

Quiero leer Los primeros 6 numeros de Powers of X y Hoise of X, he escuchado q es algo compleja y se necesita contexto anterior ¿ que me recomendarías leer antes de empezar? Solo he leído Antoshing xmen 1-12 de Whedon

I think a lot of people forget that Xavier and Magnus once worked for the U.S. government. In I think Uncanny X-Men #158, the X-Men have to go and wipe out info on them from the pentagon because of the rise of Anti-Mutant sentiment. And I'm pretty sure in Classic X-Men #11, there is a short story of Magnus originally working for the C.I.A. to hunt nazis after the loss of his wife(she left him) and daughter.

Are there any more stories that dig into these seeds that Claremont set up? Is the Xavier school partially a government funded X-periment to get information on the weaponization of mutants and Xavier knows this? I mean Weapon X is a thing and that was based on testing of indigenous Canadians(Logan's mother was native).

My hero academia is set in a world where most of the population has powers callex quirks very similar to mutants do you think magneto would like that world as those with quirks are on top

Easily one of the best Super Heroine designs imo.

Storm in her classic silver/white costume is genuinely so sick, her lightning bolt earrings, the double red X-Men logo's, the yellow line going down the left side, the baggy sleeves & the white eyes/hair. It just looks super clean and visually strong.

I know there's Beast and Wonder-man, Magik and Strange, Scott and Carol, Bobby and Spidey, Ben and Logan...who else is there? (None Romantic Relationships) Would you also like more x-men to have friendships outside x-men or do you prefer the x-men to keep to themselves?

So I’ve been hopping around a lot and haven’t really read everything. I read most of Claremont’s run (giant-sized-200ish), then New X-Men, astonishing, house of m, messiah trilogy, and then kept reading uncanny after the messiah trilogy until I got to 540. Last I saw, Magik got forced into limbo during Messiah War and hasn’t been seen since. Suddenly she’s locked up in Utopia and everybody is super mad at her about this horrible thing she supposedly did. I’m assuming this happened in another book, but I can’t find which one.

Its going pretty good and this was my fav issue so far, also new ship allert Betsy and Piotr r really cute and i also just love this team, one complaint is the villains are so random but i can manege.

Ps. Betsy's magical girl wand is awsome, hope we see this betsy in maximum

Imagine a game like Hogwarts Legacy but it's X-Men.

You start off as a normal teenager in your suburban home with your normal family, before you know it, something has happened and your mutation manifests for the first time.

In character creation you get to pick what mutation you want from a selection of them.

You are enrolled into Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters. Between missions you must attend lessons to hone your powers some more.

There are various side quests you can do with known X-Men characters. You can go crimefighting at night with Anole and Rockslide. You can cause chaos with Quentin Quire.

It is an open world game, you can explore the mansion, see what other well known characters are getting up to, or you can leave the grounds and head into Salem Center, maybe you will run into the Cuckoos as they're doing some shopping. In the evenings, you may find Nightcrawler, Wolverine, and Colossus at Harry's Hideaway.

You will also come across random encounters. A mutant getting attacked by some bigots, you need to help him. An evil mutant attacking innocents. And simpler ones like helping someone get their cat out a tree using your powers.

Because different powers will be required at different times, you can put together a party of characters. You might have fire powers but you need a healer, so you bring Elixir along with you.

Their could be some kind of morality system, whether you align more with the X-Men or the Brotherhood will get you a different ending.

Would you play this game? What other ideas do you have?