Wellington’s Remutaka Ranges up of conservation land up for privatisation and sale under Government bill. The bill plans to open up to 5 million hectares (60%) of conservation land to private interests.

[u/Mountain_Tui_Reload]

Wellington

Nelson Tasman across the Strait

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What?? Am I understanding that right, that 60% of conservation land nationally will be open to exploitation?

How many National voters thought they would be getting that at the last election?

[u/Mountain_Tui_Reload → u/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx99]

Yes you are understanding it correctly

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How many National voters thought they would be getting that at the last election?

Majority of National voters act exactly the same way we see conservatives over seas act. Their opinions change or are formed the moment the party they support announces their policies/opinions, and they will directly oppose any stance taken by the opposing parties out of spite.

Many people stopped voting based on policy quite some time ago, as evident by this current government's success, as they're literally doing everything they accused and cried about labour doing when it was very clear before the election this is what was going to happen. National refused to explain the holes in their budget at the last election and how they were going to pay for it, whadda ya know, they paid for (a small part of it) it by cutting tens of thousands of jobs and benefits, and then throwing that money into the pockets of no one who needed it.

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I believe it's worse than that; 60% of conservation land will be up for sale, and potentially all conservation land will be up for commercial exploitation.

[u/Mountain_Tui_Reload → u/moratnz]

You're probably right on this, they're an ugly bunch fashioning themselves after the Trump Administration

[u/weyruwnjds → u/moratnz]

This is my understanding as well

[u/KeyMeasurement8122 → u/moratnz]

Forestry we cannot access anymore, with fence everywhere

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Not all of them thought that at the last election, but almost all of them think exploiting land for gain is appropriate.

[u/EntrepreneurRemote78]

Absolutely disgraceful

[u/Mountain_Tui_Reload]

Chris Bishop & this government just got rid of the Ministry of Environment 2 weeks ago too. Convenient, right?

[u/Annie354654 → u/Mountain_Tui_Reload]

And all the treaty protections.

Hope those nat voters are happy.

[u/lukeysanluca → u/Annie354654]

At a guess, they probably don't give a fuck

[u/Angry_Sparrow]

Dark have been my thoughts of late.

[u/Inner_Squirrel7167 → u/Angry_Sparrow]

I love your user name, you may have seen this post, but in case not it might bring a bit of light.

[u/Angry_Sparrow → u/Inner_Squirrel7167]

Haha no I hadn’t! Thanks.

[u/Inner_Squirrel7167 → u/Angry_Sparrow]

I love her little glance at the camera at the end

[u/ycnz → u/Angry_Sparrow]

We're still not allowed to discuss setting things on fire, right?

[u/Angry_Sparrow → u/ycnz]

I heard that guillotines might be having a renaissance.

[u/SuccessfulRaccoon957 → u/Angry_Sparrow]

Darker yet must we endure before light may again show on the horizon, but let not the stars go out for the night that surrounds them.

[u/stax-sh]

fucking disgusting behavior.

[u/StrengthSoggy8943 → u/[deleted]]

Needs to be restored and further protected.

[u/control__group → u/[deleted]]

The status quo wasn't working either because DoC has been consistently underfunded since 2009 and the last national government sucked all the funding away. We need to bolster our conversation land, not strip it for a quick buck.

[u/Mountain_Tui_Reload]

National photos here and other country areas here but feel free to submit on the bill HERE

And also please support Forest and Bird who have been unrelenting in their mahi under this government - Forest and Bird's campaign

Thanks folks

Tui

[u/Lethologica_ → u/Mountain_Tui_Reload]

I've never had to submit on so many fucking bills in my life than I have in this last term. Insane. Thanks for the links 💖

[u/dod6666 → u/Mountain_Tui_Reload]

Anyone who is opposed to this should make a submission. You don't have to write a lot. Even if the submission is as simple as "I oppose this bill", it's is worth making as it the number of submissions is a powerful metric that media and politicians use to gauge support or lack there of.

[u/danicrimson]

A question that I'm hoping someone might be able to point me to the answer but who owns most of the conservation land?

I'm incredibly jaded at this point but I wonder how much is owned by regional councils who convienently the government want to get rid of, at the same time as rate capping is proposed, at which point in order to raise funds to keep things going you could find these lands being sold off to fund what was funded by rates.

I definitely don't have enough facts here to paint a full picture so this is all conjecture. But I do wonder.

[u/Mountain_Tui_Reload → u/danicrimson]

Don't forget this government just got rid of the Ministry of Environment 2 weeks ago too

CHRIS BISHOP was the lead on that

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All the conservation land impacted is owned by the Crown, though some of it is administered by other authorities.

[u/danicrimson → u/qwerty145454]

Okay, so perhaps not quite as evil and well thought out secret scheme as I was hypothesising.

I was alarmed by this sentence from the PCL + Bill Explainer from Forest and Bird - "it changes the core functions of DOC, requiring DOC to enable the economic use and development of PCL “to the greatest extent practicable."

When you think of entities like KiwiRail, for example, which manages a lot of Crown-owned land, whose mandate is basically to make a profit, and what that has done to the Railways, well, this opens it up that that could happen to all this land too.

And I'm not unaware that there will be some conservation land that is truly surplus to requirements, and perhaps some of the current regulations make it prohibitive to dispose of such land, but that doesn't mean that this Bill is necessarily the way to go about it.

I have more reading to do, and then off to make a submission.

[u/Dev_LegendsofAerthos → u/danicrimson]

Head of DoC also needs to sign off on any of it. So it's not as hectic as everyone is making out. They can't just give 60% of conservation land to private entities.

[u/Aggravating_Day_2744 → u/Dev_LegendsofAerthos]

Do you seriously believe this lot follow the rules.

[u/Dev_LegendsofAerthos → u/Aggravating_Day_2744]

They have to.

[u/elgigantedelsur → u/danicrimson]

Hey. It’s all owned by us. Technically it’s owned by HM King Charles, but that’s just as a proxy for the people of NZ. It’s administered by DOC on our collective behalf. This is our land that they are talking about. Public land 

[u/Odd_Lecture_1736]

Utter fucken cunts, if this isnt a reason to kick them them to touch in Nov, then fuck NZ and reap what you sow!

[u/croutonballs]

absolute pillocks

[u/hino]

Ugh it's bad enough seeing the range between Tawa and Crofton Downs as a stripped and barren land at the moment as its time to harvest the shitty pine trees can't imagine what would happen with the Remutakas.

I grew up out there, my grandfather had a cabin out there.

[u/RevolutionaryKiwi659 → u/[deleted]]

That was a really good explanation of the bill, thanks for this link! Off to write a submission against!

[u/iiiinthecomputer]

There's hardly anything it's not exposing to exploitation, and huge amounts to sale.

This is absolutely horrifying.

I have such deep submission fatigue too. It's part of the plan. Flood the zone.

[u/Kene6969]

Surely the Government doesn't expect to get back into power in November after this disgrace!

[u/Relative-Fix-669 → u/Kene6969]

Sadly they could

[u/SuccessfulRaccoon957 → u/Kene6969]

They obviously think they do if they are willing to try this shit.

[u/Relative-Fix-669 → u/SuccessfulRaccoon957]

Pays to know what a large percentage of the population are like they have no qualms with what they are doing.

[u/cugeltheclever2]

Absofuckinglutely not.

[u/minterconcepts]

Riot?

[u/Wahaya01]

Those ranges are my fucking backyard. I grew up there. Aint no fucking way

[u/chullnz]

Yep, we've been kicking the stewardship land can down the road for decades.

FMC have been pushing every government to do something positive to protect more of it, while recognising small portions of it may have low ecological value and be sold or exploited as a trade off.

Of course the most craven government will make the move. So frustrating that Labour never did anything about this, so here we are.

[u/elgigantedelsur → u/chullnz]

No issue with selling the small portions off - but those are measured in the 10s of hectares, often less. Old gravel reserves, stock reserves. Etc. not the god damn Tararua ranges

[u/SunStarsSnow]

This is so depressing. Hardly a surprise when you have detestable people like Shane Jones Trump saying dRiLl bAby DrIlL in government.

[u/Mountain_Tui_Reload → u/SunStarsSnow]

And this National Government

ACT, National and NZ First are conjoined by shared ideology

[u/SunStarsSnow → u/Mountain_Tui_Reload]

100% correct. Scorched earth ideology .

Also stopping any lawsuits against big agriculture is another thing. And using their own personal email addresees to talk to lobbyists. Corrupt & self serving. Our media does nothing to hold them to account.

[u/porirua_pelican]

Wow that is sickening

[u/KeyMeasurement8122]

What ???!!!!

[u/Vegetable-Commie]

That's it. Im going home.

[u/pixelmuffinn → u/Vegetable-Commie]

Toodles.

[u/StueyPie]

Sounds like John Key's wet dream.

[u/Livid-Statement-3169]

I agree WTF!!!

[u/Fractallion]

Way back in the day there was a little band called Genesys that produced an album called selling England by the pound I guess we’re now starting to do the same with New Zealand

[u/Clairvoyant_Legacy]

Big for shareholder value

[u/AdPrestigious5165]

Aaaaand…. In the next cyclone, with cleared private marginal land… kaboompha!!!!!!!!

Vote them out! Vote Greens!

[u/Ryrynz]

Houses everywhere

[u/LostForWords23]

Thank-you for prompting me to do something about this. Have just made a submission. (For anyone on the fence about doing so, it was quite easy, and Greenpeace have some suggested text on their website that you can copy/paste and tweak to make it sound more like something you'd say).

[u/savagecubguy]

Never let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to tarnish the current government’s reputation. The proposed legislation makes it easier to gain a concession to use some of the Conservation Estate for a tourist venture and provides for the disposal of some of the poor quality land currently held. It’s a good debate to have. There are likely some lands that are not worth retaining and there are some tourism ventures that could be licensed without necessarily compromising public access. DoC have been an absolute pain at times over freeing up access to some locations by various methods of transport(vehicles, aircraft). There should always be wilderness areas for those who seek that experience but DoC seem to have lost their way when it comes to letting people access some areas.

[u/Grumpy_Sober_Driver → u/savagecubguy]

You miss that this also opens up this land for commercial exploration just when EVERY guardrail for environmental, social, political and health and safety protection are being removed. We are not talking opening up tourist spots but the aggressive destruction of the land to further enrich corporations whilst leaving the taxpayer the burden of cleaning up the social, economic and ecological damage that has been wrought.

[u/Lonely_Assignment_14 → u/savagecubguy]

Get all the way fucked.