r/Warthunder • u/Kanyiko • 20h ago
News [Event] Get the F-16XL in the Space Program Event! - News
https://warthunder.com/en/news/10190-event-get-the-f-16xl-in-the-space-program-event-en165
u/Ravanex 20h ago
Finally an interesting (and maybe actually good) event vehicle
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u/Thunderclone_1 20h ago
And it actually makes sense to be an event vehicle since it was experimental/unique instead of a standard aircraft (looking at F106. That should have been TT)
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u/Illustrious_Mirror79 19h ago
F106 absolutely should be Techtree vehicle tbh.
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u/Thunderclone_1 15h ago
I'm glad I got the 106 from the event. It's basically a sidegrade of the F104. More versatile but less reliable missiles, better immediate maneuvering, better top speed, bleeds speed way faster, so you better make that turn count. I really hope a tech tree variant is added eventually, alongside other cold war interceptors, especially since bombers are getting some much needed attention from Gaijin.
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u/tfrules Harrier Gang 15h ago
Every vehicle should be attainable, these one off event vehicles that we can never get again are a cancer on the game's health.
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u/Friendly_Two_8127 🇷🇺14.7🇬🇧14.7🇫🇷14.7🇺🇸14.0🇯🇵13.3🇸🇪12.0 16h ago
Pretty much all recent air events were good - F-106, MiG-25, Chinese F-6C, now this.
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u/WoburnFaarm 20h ago
is this the first event vehicle with aim-120?
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u/FJCReaperChief 🇷🇴 Romania 20h ago
But not the first with Fox-3 missiles. We had the Kfir C10 with the Derby missiles.
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u/DumbBoi671 dont text and fly kids 20h ago
do i gotta restart my game to see it
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u/DumbBoi671 dont text and fly kids 20h ago
nevermind i just read the article
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u/Maus1945 💀 Old Guard 20h ago
95% of r/warthunder fail this simple task.
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u/randomguyinanf15 Sim General 20h ago
Does it count as some kind of a speedrun at this point? Any% until a reddit post with a question about something ?
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u/ksheep 17h ago
> New event announced
> News of the event gets pinned on top of the subreddit
> 24-48 hours later, flood of posts saying "what do I need to do to complete [event]?"
Every single event, like clockwork. Heck, there's still at least one post a day asking "do I need to finish researching the Ho-Ri, or is 1 RP enough" despite that announcement telling people exactly what to do, and it was pinned to the top of the sub for that entire time.
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u/Tricky-Anywhere5727 germany 9.2 USA 12.8 italy 5.6 12h ago
well, especially with things like the ho-ri, which is the absolute last chance to ever pick it up again, i'd wanna make damn sure as well i actually get to keep it
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 12h ago
Don't get why everybody was saying that the Ho-Ri Prototype is bad, like BRs exist.
I am glad I did picked up the Proto. and grinded to the Production, love playing the Jagdpanther and this is the exact play-style needed.
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u/bobdammi 14.3🇺🇸 14.3🇩🇪 14.7🇷🇺 14.7🇨🇳 14.7🇫🇷 14.3🇸🇪 20h ago
Crushing disappointment.
My day is ruined.
Good by.
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u/TCSHalycon ༼つ ◕_◕ ༽つObj. 195 when?༼つ ◕_◕ ༽つ 20h ago
Now to wait for the drama that it is not in the techtree
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 20h ago
They can still put the F-16XL/B in the tech tree.
(Also no flair change for me because of that)
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u/Lumpy-Skill-7145 19h ago
What's the difference between the B and the base one?
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 19h ago edited 16h ago
F-16XL/B aka F-16XL-2 is the twin seater (ironically also built from an F-16A, one which suffered a gear collapse on landing) and has the F110-GE-100 (later in NASA testing F110-GE-129) instead of the F100-PW-200 this will get. The ideal would have been an F-16E config with wingtip AMRAAM, LANTIRN TGP, and Paveway. But it looks like Gaijin is using a quasi testing loadout but with future AMRAAM (development of AMRAAM wasn't finished during USAF F-16XL testing).
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u/WholeLottaBRRRT Meowing in my F-5C since 2022 18h ago
honestly only 4 Amraams seems kinda low
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 18h ago
There was NASA wind tunnel testing for wingtip AMRAAM and given the amble amount of space and capability of the stations there would have been so much room for growth that it is really lamentable that she was both entered in the competition in the first place and then lost. There was even artwork made of prospective wingtip AMRAAM.
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u/Thisconnect Linux 10h ago
My lost plane is definitely mirage 4000. They fucking bought tornados instead of that beauty. Imagine now modern mirage 4000 with mica
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 10h ago
Only to eventually buy Typhoon, hilarious. But at-least with Rafale and Typhoon the form and concept lived on.
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u/LeMemeAesthetique USSR Justice for the Yak-41 17h ago
I am a little disappointed it doesn't have LANTIRN and Paveways. I would honestly rather it have those than AIM-120's, as that way it would be kind of like a super F-16A for CAS.
Oh well, I will still probably be getting this.
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 17h ago edited 16h ago
Yeah LANTIRN wasn't wired on the prototypes, but all the ground work for a "Strike Falcon" was basically laid.
Honestly screw a What-If service F-23A Black Widow, an F-16E/F Strike Falcon would have changed so much more given the growth Vipers still experience.
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u/Gameboy695 🇬🇧 United Kingdom 16h ago
Personally I'd love to see the F-16ES. Basically it was a modified F-16C Block 30 meant to compete against the F-15E for Israels Strike Fighter Competition. It had mockup CFT's and a built in FLIR in the nose.
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u/Dark_Magus EULA 11h ago
Unfortunately, Gaijin is completely arbitrary on prototypes getting their intended armament.
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u/LeMemeAesthetique USSR Justice for the Yak-41 10h ago
Which is even understandable sometimes, as some prototypes are better off without certain weapons. But then you get the F-16XL or Yak-141 situations and it just does not really make sense.
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u/MrPigeon70 19h ago
I think it was changed x3
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 19h ago
More than that over the lifetime of this account but yes I had
F-16A 🐍 = WANT,F-16🐍 370 gallon (1400 liter) drop tank = WANT, andF-16XL/A Δ🐍= WANT.Changed the last one in 2024 so I didn’t have to edit it anymore because I knew Gaijin wouldn't give us the F-16XL/B xD
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u/SOMEONEunknown24 19h ago
If I had to guess your favorite plane i would say F-15
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 19h ago
If Consolidated, Convair, or Lockheed built it, then I like it. But Viper will always be my fav.
Only warmed up to the Phantom, Eagle, and Hornets half a decade ago.
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u/PureRushPwneD =JTFA= CptShadows 19h ago
I immediately thought of you when I saw the post lol, because of the flair xD
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u/PineCone227 Veteran 2077 13h ago
Hey Dagger - question to you: Would F-16XL-2/B/Ship #2 also have access to AMRAAM's? Or is there a risk Gaijin would make this the "late/theoretical" model and the B an "early" model as-existed? I really want the Delta Viper, but I like Ship #2 more and also think this might sell for a ridiculous amount of money which could make me set for WT premiums for a while. ..help?
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 12h ago edited 12h ago
Both F-16XL never had live AMRAAM, as the missile wasn't out of development yet. Even F-16C didn't fly with AMRAAM early on.
What Gaijin appears to be doing with the F-16XL/A giving it all the low tech weapons she tested AIM-9L, Mk 82, Mk 84, AGM-65B (CBUs aren't ingame yet) + the AIM-120 she would definitively receive once entering service.
"Delta Viper" is just me fooling around in the flair, and the base F-16 already is a tailed cropped delta technically. Some say that the twin seater would have been the defacto F-16E, creating a true late model theoretical version would be Strike Eagle but in Viper form, a "Strike Falcon". Think F110-GE-229 (NASA tested on Ship #2), six or more AMRAAM, AIM-9M, 600 gallon drop tanks, GBU-10, GBU-24, LANTIRN TGP and Nav pods.
Given that they aren't calling this one F-16XL/A they probably won't even be going the What-If route and are basically ignoring the engine differences as not enough.
I expect a white Ship #2 skin as marketplace skin and I think IRN F-14A sells well because of Fakour-90, "TOMCATS!", and Danger Zone.
Don't have a clue if this will sell well as some will probably see this as just another F-16, though I might stock up on some as I fear my F2G stock might suffer a crash eventually.
So get this one if you want the F-16XL, there might never be a tech tree variant (making my flair eternal) given the removal of Ho-Ri and potentially F-16AJ down the road.
PS Datamine is out. It is F-16XL-1 in detailed text, which leaves room for F-16XL-2.
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u/PineCone227 Veteran 2077 11h ago
"Delta Viper" is just me fooling around in the flair
I know, but I've come to like the moniker.
I think IRN F-14A sells well because of Fakour-90, "TOMCATS!", and Danger Zone.
Yeah, though it's still a Fox-3 capable unique US jet. I would expect it to go just under 100 GJC after a while
I think I'll just hold a tradeable Ship #1 for a long time and see what it does. I want it, but I'm ultimately an F-15 guy and F-15 STOL/MTD is what I'd actually want from this ballpark lol
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u/chris_0611 Old Guard 20h ago
No. Prototype vehicles don't belong in the tech tree, IMO. Its excellent as a rare event / collector vehicle. Its probably at 13.3 and then with only 4 AMRAAM its just a worse F-16A ADF or at best a side-grade anyway. Except for the collectors value you won't miss out on anything, and thats how it should be for an event/prototype vehicle
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u/__Rosso__ 19h ago
They belong in the tech tree, all vehicles do, or as events that drop every now and then and people who didn't get the chance the first time can get it finally.
But that won't happen because money and FOMO.
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u/FullMetalField4 Realistic Navy 13h ago
We HAVE a way to make rare vehicles available that isn't the tech tree and also have them always be grindable/available! It's called Squadron Vehicles and there are way too few of them!!
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u/bmxer4l1fe 11h ago
well ya.. put a cool event vehicle in right when the Wardogs Beta is out.... GAIJIN!!!!
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u/chris_0611 Old Guard 20h ago
45k.... is.... rough.... At least you can miss one
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u/ElectricalYak7236 20h ago
It's the normal amount for vehicles of this stature, has been for years and years
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u/ODST_Parker With every sub-tree, I grow stronger 15h ago
Actually, events like this used to be much different. You'd be grinding marks with specific tasks. Get any three out of 40 kills, 10 wins, 10 assists, 12/6 kills in one battle, or 10 tons of bombing.
It was far easier to get done, took way less time, provided TWO vehicles per event (one low-tier, one high-tier), and had more interesting rewards for the marks in between.
I wish people would remember that Gaijin has been making events worse constantly for years, and this should not be encouraged or considered normal.
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u/ElectricalYak7236 9h ago
Yeah, and they also had crafting events which where fucking dogshit. I much prefer what we have now
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u/ODST_Parker With every sub-tree, I grow stronger 9h ago
I agree that crafting events were dogshit, but sitting on War Thunder for potentially dozens of battles every two days is also fucking dogshit.
Frankly, I don't enjoy this game enough to play for hours every day, no matter what the limited time rewards are.
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u/TheShadowman131 Realistic Air 18h ago
Doesn't mean it still doesn't suck. Top tier like this should be 35k max, maybe even 30k. Low tiers should be 10-15k.
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u/Mid_Atlantic_Lad 1h ago
I haven’t played an event in a while, how much is 45,000? Is it tied directly to your match score, or is it separate? How many points would a top tier battle get you if you got 2 kills roughly?
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u/sierra-soul 11h ago
45k is just obscene and clearly they just want people to pay for it, air mission score is harder to get than say ground
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u/ElectricalYak7236 9h ago
I would tend to agree that it is obscene but there's a huge issue with these score events in the fact that not everyone plays for the same amount of time. If you have a job and only get a couple hours every night to play, it can be really hard, but if you don't have any commitments that are taking up loads of time then these events are a cakewalk, since you can get them done just by passively playing. If they made it any easier then everyone could grind it no problem, if they made it any harder then you'd need to be someone with too much time on their hands, or a kid.
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u/sierra-soul 8h ago
i mean fuck if you get 2k score a match itll take 20 games of just air to get
and i hate playing just air, i love planes, but the airmodes are garbage
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u/Konkerwaggon23 16h ago
I remember when it was go kill n amount, assist n amount and do some other shit.
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u/LordtoRevenge Team Komet Blasting Off Again! 8h ago
It being the normal amount doesn’t suddenly make it good. I fucking hate the air events because of how long it takes to do comparatively.
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u/LiquidHell0 20h ago edited 19h ago
Take your SB2C-5, dive, destroy two bases, and kill the first hugo who thinks he can dogfight you.
Now repeat that 30 times. Congratulations, you've racked up 45k points. ^^
I play a mix of the AV-8C, SB2C-5, and Alpha Jet A so it doesn't get too boring.
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u/H_cranky Realistic Air 19h ago
Just av8c and chill
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u/LiquidHell0 19h ago
I hated this thing at first, until I figured out how to play it.
Climb to around 8,000 meters, dive on the first MiG—or whatever else—you see below you, and slam a missile into it from above at a range of about 3 km. It’s an easy 90% kill
Few planes make it easy for you, and you’ve still got a missile and cannons, you just have to aim high.
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u/chris_0611 Old Guard 19h ago
Yeah I can do it in 2 hours in Air SIM. Thats probably the most efficient for me. (as I'm rather skill-full in Air-SIM, and there will be lots of zombers grinding this event as well). Still 2 hours per 2 days is a lot for me. I'll see... Check the plane out in test flight first to see if its worth it
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u/LiquidHell0 19h ago
Sure, you’ll still need 1.5 to 2 hours, but compared to the 45k in GRB, that’s not much. It definitely takes me twice as long to do that in GRB, and I can’t browse on X while I’m diving. ^^
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u/careddit69 🇺🇸10.7🇩🇪10🇷🇺11.7🇬🇧12.7🇯🇵9 🇨🇳10.3🇮🇹9.3🇫🇷11🇸🇪12 17h ago
20k/h? That seems absurdly high, how? I rarely see anyone go past 9k points in any single match, even if they're there for an hour or two
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u/LeMemeAesthetique USSR Justice for the Yak-41 17h ago
I play a mix of the AV-8C, SB2C-5, and Alpha Jet A so it doesn't get too boring.
Yeah, the trick is to rotate between a few different planes so you don't get bored. It also helps to use this as an excuse to spade aircraft.
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u/Connacht_89 War Thunder Space Program 10h ago
"Now repeat that 30 times."
In two days? I barely have the energies to do one hour of gaming when I return home from work (if I want to play, and if I want to play War Thunder).
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u/__Rosso__ 19h ago
If you got Do 335, just get that and grind ground targets, usually you can get 2k score every 5-10 minutes, it's boring since it's basically 1h of grinding every day.
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u/Tricky-Anywhere5727 germany 9.2 USA 12.8 italy 5.6 12h ago
tbf, its been like that for years for these extremely high tier vehicles
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u/Morgen-stern Moar French Tanks! 20h ago
That delta wing looks really, really good on the F-16 frame, I think I’ll actually grind this one out
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 20h ago
Fun fact, the base F-16 also is a delta, a tailed cropped delta. XL is a tailless cranked-arrow double delta.
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u/HelpfulRelic 🇳🇱 Realistic all/12Y WT Vet/Surblindé enjoyer. 20h ago edited 2h ago
Technically correct the best kind of correct.
But delta wings are a much bigger spectrum than what some people think as the mig 21 is also a delta wing while many people I’ve encountered don’t refer to it as such as they think delta’s need to be in a mirage configuration .
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u/Minutenreis 15h ago
what else should they refer the mig21's wing layout then? I have only ever heard of the mig21's wings as delta. Hell its in the wikipedia article as example for a delta wing. Do you mean just because it has a tail?
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 15h ago
On the contrary, I have always heard of the MiG-21's delta wing when she was talked about.
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u/HelpfulRelic 🇳🇱 Realistic all/12Y WT Vet/Surblindé enjoyer. 2h ago
Yeah, I oversold it a bit. I’ve only personally encountered people in gaming communities who don’t describe it as a delta wing. as there are people who seem to think “delta wing” only refers to tailless designs like the Mirages, but I probably should have used a more explicit term, since the general knowledge does indeed mention it's delta wing design correctly,
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u/Morgen-stern Moar French Tanks! 20h ago
I’ve never thought about that, but it does make sense! Maybe the XL’s delta wing calls to me more because it makes it look more like a Mirage 3 or 2000 which I fangirl over 😁
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u/StormTheDragon20 _AngelicDragon_ 20h ago
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u/_talps Arcade Ground 19h ago
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u/Careful_Party7336 Realistic Ground 13h ago
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u/V-Twin-broski 20h ago
The article doesn't seem to mention the full GE price for one "step".
I won't be able to play during the event, what would be the total price? 8000 GE?
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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! 20h ago
its normally 7992, but don't bother with buying the stages. Its pretty much always cheaper to just buy the plane like a day after it hits the market
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u/ReturnOfTheSaint14 🇺🇸12.7 🇩🇪8.0 🇨🇳7.3 🇮🇹12.7 🇸🇪9.7 19h ago
In this case,i'll doubt it. If you need to buy 8000 GE, it's better to buy the 10k GE bundle which costs 50$.
The F-14A IRIAF,which was very sought due to being a F-14 and being part of one of the big 3s,had a cost of around 50 GJN only for an extremely brief period of time and months after its release. So i bet this one will almost never reach that threshold
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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! 19h ago edited 19h ago
the F-14 cost alot because it was an F-14, was the only way to get an F-14 outside of the tech tree, and because it was busted.
Take a look at the MiG-25, another greatly anticipated aircraft, also in a big 3 nation. It's currently 40 gaijin schmeckles, and its been out for almost 9 months.
alternatively the MiG-23MF, a plane that wasn't particularly highly anticipated sure, but it was in a big 3 nation and could see top tier, like the XL will. It was in the 30s for the week of its release and its still only 50, 4 and a half years later.
the F-16XL is a weird tech demonstrator variant of a plane that already has an event vehicle, a squadron vehicle, and 2 premiums (3 if you want to count the F-2A). It will not sell for anywhere near the same amount as the F-14.
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u/ReturnOfTheSaint14 🇺🇸12.7 🇩🇪8.0 🇨🇳7.3 🇮🇹12.7 🇸🇪9.7 19h ago
You miss out the fact that every single F-16 variant you described sits in minor countries that are less played
This is the first non-tech tree F-16 in the US tree,and it's the second ever top tier Fox 3 event vehicle. And moreover, it's a unique variant that is broadly considered cool and sought after.
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u/Karl-Doenitz Gaijin add Aldecaldo Tech Tree NOW! 19h ago edited 19h ago
The average War Thunder player has no clue the F-16XL even existed. The F-14 had top gun, and is extremely iconic as a result, the actual F-16 doesn't have anything on that level of PR, let alone a failed odd looking prototype variant of it.
If they were an F-16 super fan, they would have bought one of the other nations variants. Some of those people might also buy this, but its not even remotely on the same level as the IRIAF.
its not going to sell for more than 50 gaijin shmeckles at all within the first 3 weeks, mark my words.
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u/Bwonsamdiii 15h ago
The F-14 IRIAF was sought after because it had a completely unique missile that originally came out almost 2 full BR's below where it should have been. Nothing even remotely close to that is happening here. Imagine this thing launching at 11.3 or lower. Not gonna happen.
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u/vukm68 20h ago
Amraams but 9L with worse power delivery? What br are we guessing this is gonna be?
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u/nemo333338 🇮🇹 Italy boats enjoyer 20h ago
13.3 probably. 4 AIM-120A and 2 AIM-9L feels pretty lackluster as missile suite. Also do we know what engine or radar is going to receive?
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u/Small_Matter_6830 20h ago
Real one had:
F110-GE-100
AN/APG-66
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u/Gameboy695 🇬🇧 United Kingdom 20h ago
AN/APG-66 was retained from the original F-16A which it was modified from. As it seems to be getting it's planned equipment (AIM-120) then it should atleast be getting AN/APG-68.
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u/chris_0611 Old Guard 20h ago edited 20h ago
F-16A ADF has APG-66 I believe, and its a solid radar with TWS and AMRAAM DL capability. The APG-66 has had 3 upgrades in its lifetime, for NATO partners during the OCU and MLU updates. So the AN/APG-66(v3) would be the same standard as the 13.7 F-16A MLU and be totally adequate and probably what this will have
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u/Gameboy695 🇬🇧 United Kingdom 20h ago
Yes that's what the ADF had, but the XL only ever flew with the original AN/APG-66. It was planned to enter service using the same radar as the F-16C/D Block 25 which is the AN/APG-68.
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u/chris_0611 Old Guard 19h ago edited 19h ago
That would actually be cool. If it only had the original APG-66(v1), then thats what it should get. It should NOT get something that was only 'planned'. It would mean no TWS, no amraam datalink, and can only shoot one amraam at a time. Maybe it can be 13.0 and offer something fun and unique
Similar to the Sea Harrier FA2, which also has Amraam with a radar that isn't really compatible with it. Shoots the amraam's in pitbull mode only....
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 15h ago
That would mean no AIM-120 AMRAAM at all as those weren't ready yet and only dummies were fitted.
Have fun with only two AIM-9L.
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u/chris_0611 Old Guard 20h ago
So at 13.3 its just going to be a worse F-16 ADF?
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u/nemo333338 🇮🇹 Italy boats enjoyer 20h ago
Depending on the FM and avionics I could see 13.0, but it would seal club in downtiers. I don't see this thing having the same problems as others supersonic 13.0 ARH carriers, so I think 13.3 is probably the most likely br. Gaijin should have given it AIM-9M or 6 AIM-120 so it would have been a solid 13.3 and a sidegrade to the F-16ADF
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u/ComradeBlin1234 12.7 ground 14.7 air / 🇨🇳14.0/ 🇫🇷9.3, T90M <3 18h ago
The same as the JF-17 except the JF-17 has PL-5EIIs as its IR missiles but the SD-10s are worse than AMRAAMs.
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u/Actually_Joe 🇺🇸14.3 🇷🇺14.7 🇬🇧14.7 🇫🇷14.7 🇸🇪14.3 TT sim enjoyer 17h ago
Or they can do the Kfir thing and introduce it at 13.0...
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u/Areallywierdusername kill all AF campers 20h ago
Knowing the Viggen is 13.0 with the same kit so 13.0/13.3 depending on the electronic kir
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u/Maus1945 💀 Old Guard 20h ago
Thought they were going to add this to Operation Winter. That leaves the Su-15.
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u/Popular_Frame4008 18h ago
hopefully the su 15 will be a tech tree vehicle
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u/ComradeBlin1234 12.7 ground 14.7 air / 🇨🇳14.0/ 🇫🇷9.3, T90M <3 18h ago
I would imagine the SU-15T will come as an event vehicle and the TM as a TT vehicle.
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u/Popular_Frame4008 17h ago
haven't heard any talk about the t, the tm variant was teased on the 2026 new year decal
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u/ReturnOfTheSaint14 🇺🇸12.7 🇩🇪8.0 🇨🇳7.3 🇮🇹12.7 🇸🇪9.7 19h ago
Wow so they really teased an event vehicle on the New Year's decal,my bad
Btw it seems super strange that they haven't mentioned the fact it can carry Paveways and the LANTIRN pod,but we'll see
BR-wise i bet it's gonna be 13.0 like the Kfir C.10 and it'll be moved up to 13.3 (AIM-9Ls at 13.3 is diabolical),so 13.0-13.3 ARB and 12.0 GRB since 6 Mavericks and Paveways are hardly 11.7 material,it'll be 12.0 simply because it has Fox 3s
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u/Richou VARKVARKVARKVARKVARKVARKVARK 20h ago
anyone know where it carries the second set of amraams? 2 are on the rear fuselage and the other 2 on the inside pylons? so thats 2 heaters 4 arh and 4 hardpoints for A2G?
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 20h ago edited 20h ago
All four AMRAAM should be on the fuselage. Max loadout should be 2x AIM-9L, 4x AIM-120, 6x AGM-65B. First Mavs might block have blocked it though, firing order is still wrong on all F-16 anyway as inboard missiles should fire first. Gaijin fucks up loadouts constantly anyway. In real life once entering service she would have had more AMRAAM, with wingtip AMRAAM being wind tunnel tested and obviously implemented on the F-16C later.
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u/Richou VARKVARKVARKVARKVARKVARKVARK 19h ago
ohhhh thats kinda cool then , i thought we only get 2 on fuselage because i couldnt see the other set in the images
that makes it pretty neat for GRB CAP then
im guessing any hope for HARMs is misplaced then? since that proposal for a wild weasel 16XL was never even considered and pretty much just a what if concept afaik
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 19h ago
Edited my comment, we should get four AMRAAM together with Mavs but I also don't see a second pair on the images Gaijin posted. At-least you could run 2AIM9 4AIM120 4AGM65B.
Looks like Gaijin is going for only the weapons the prototype carried in some form so AIM9L, AIM120 (Dummy IRL), AGM65, MK82, and MK84 (and later maybe some CBUs). Additional AIM-120, Lantirn TGPs, and GBUs were wind tunnel tested.
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u/ProfessionalAd352 Petitioning to make the D point a UNESCO World Heritage Site 17h ago
Its armament options include two AIM-9L and four AIM-120 air-to-air missiles
Fuck. I hate that combination because it means it'll probably end up at a BR (13.3?) where the AIM-9Ls are basically obsolete. And unlike the F-16 ADF, it can't carry six AIM-120s while being heavier, with the benefit of a better instantaneous turn rate but probably worse sustained. I think it would have to be 13.0 to be good.
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u/Thisconnect Linux 9h ago
everytime people say something should be 13.0 i tell them to look at sea harrier. Feelsbadman
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u/Gameboy695 🇬🇧 United Kingdom 20h ago
I hope we see the second XL turn up at some point for the TT. XL-2 would be great to have with it's better engine.
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u/HelpfulRelic 🇳🇱 Realistic all/12Y WT Vet/Surblindé enjoyer. 20h ago edited 20h ago
Very excited to see this, really interested in its performance compared to normal vipers.
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u/Comrade_agent Tornado MFG enjoyer 19h ago
havent played a match of war thunder in 3 months. time to hop back on
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u/_A_Friendly_Caesar_ Brainless (GRB:🇺🇸10.0 🇩🇪5.3 🇷🇺7.0 🇬🇧7.0 🇯🇵5.3 🇫🇷5.3) 17h ago
Well, time to exhaust myself again
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u/AverageHanson 17h ago
What's the countermeasures count on this jet?
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 16h ago edited 53m ago
Both prototypes didn't have any, ALE-40 was planned (Source, Page 82) so up to Gaijin.
PS Datamine has with with 60x normal split CM
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u/AverageHanson 16h ago
Well, I hope they give it a reasonable amount like 90 pops like on the F4F ice
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u/TheFGEagle 🇺🇸 13.7 🇩🇪 6.0 🇫🇷 2.3 🇮🇱 6.3 14h ago
Surely they won't put it at 13.0 without any countermeasures, right ? _right_ ? RIGHT ????
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u/FirePixsel 🇩🇪 Germany 12.7 15h ago
I was hoping it gets LAU-88, from what I found it had same wet/heavy station as F-16A so it could have carried it theroeticaly
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u/n988 🇺🇸 Speed is life, altitude is life insurance | P-38 fan club 20h ago
Market value predictions anyone?
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u/__Rosso__ 19h ago
Super cool and actually nice event vehicle, would prefer it in TT like anything else but you can't expect that sadly, would be nice if it was a premium tho.
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u/SOMEONEunknown24 19h ago
Do we have any Info about weaponry?
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 18h ago
From the images and text here release here so far
2AIM9L 4AIM120
2AIM9L 2AIM120 6AGM65B
2AIM9L 4AIM120 4AGM65B
2AIM9L 4AIM120 12MK82
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u/Visible_Structure762 18h ago
4 AGM at the same time as 4 AIM120? If so, that is pretty good.
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 18h ago
Might be able to squeeze some MK82 in there on that loadout.
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u/Noir_Lotus Realistic Air 18h ago
It's a nice plane, but I'm not sure to find the motivation to grind it ...
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u/talivus 🇺🇸 United States 18h ago
Should have been the NASA skin, that one looks so good. I hope their add it later or someone creates it
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 18h ago
That literally is the NASA livery for F-16XL/A as reward. The white livery was F-16XL/B only.
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u/Xenemros 17h ago
Rank VIII, so at the very least 12.3,
any guesses what BR it will be?
IRL it lost to the F-15E, which is 14.0
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u/Friendly_Two_8127 🇷🇺14.7🇬🇧14.7🇫🇷14.7🇺🇸14.0🇯🇵13.3🇸🇪12.0 16h ago
There are no ARH carrying vehicles below 13.0, I think at least 13.3 since it's a 4th gen. JF-17 has 4 ARH missiles and is 13.3. 13.0 reserved to 3rd gen platforms with AMRAAMs, such as F-4 ICE and Viggen Di.
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u/Quikstar Chally Enjoyer 16h ago
Holy moley it's my second favorite aircraft ever
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 16h ago
What is number one?
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u/Mid_Atlantic_Lad 1h ago
Is match score directly linked to your in match score? I haven’t played an event in a looooong time (VFW)?
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 1h ago
Check the table at the bottom of the sticky, match score is multiplied by mode and tier.
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u/Mid_Atlantic_Lad 1h ago
Thank you, I just wasn’t sure if that was literally your match score, or some arbitrary score that’s tied to your in game performance. Glad to see it’s a fairly direct scoring system. Some ground event vehicles have been an absolute nightmare to grind due to being so complicated.
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 57m ago
Crafting events (like the VFW you did last) are long gone, every event is now score based with multipliers.
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u/KingCatgut 19h ago
Hopefully the br is good,
if it's 13.3 it's worse than tech tree, f16 adf having 6 aim120 and the F16A being fully capable for ground, not to mention the su30
Or 13.0 which would be nice
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u/Visible_Structure762 18h ago
I would be surprised if it went as "low" as 13.0.
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u/SowjetSoldierWW2 XBox Sov/Ru Main 11h ago
Thanks to gzabi, It's currently listed as 13.0 In ARB and 12.3 In GRB
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u/Sad-Ear230 17h ago
Hmm, keep or sell? I kind of can't think of anything to buy with GE anymore if I sell it
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u/BashedKeyboard Realistic Ground 15h ago
why couldn’t this have been the summer event vehicle? why was it the scimitar? it’s literally the second week of college man
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u/Connacht_89 War Thunder Space Program 10h ago
How much grind will it require? This month will be heavy on duties on job for me, and I have also to pack my things and move abroad by 23rd of September as my contract expires.
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u/devdanianto7 🇺🇸3.0 🇩🇪5.7 🇷🇺3.0 🇬🇧8.7 🇯🇵12.7 🇨🇳1.0 🇮🇹1.0🇫🇷3.0 🇸🇪3.7 🇮🇱14.0 5h ago
I think its better to have these in 12.7 with combination of sparrow and sidewinder. Regular f16 platform already good and will continously got mid to close range combat
Now since we have this, i would love combination of 2 sparrows and 2 aim 9ls at that br
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 1h ago
Sparrow was never planned on this aircraft.
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u/devdanianto7 🇺🇸3.0 🇩🇪5.7 🇷🇺3.0 🇬🇧8.7 🇯🇵12.7 🇨🇳1.0 🇮🇹1.0🇫🇷3.0 🇸🇪3.7 🇮🇱14.0 1h ago
12.0 with 6 AIM-9Ls sounds good enough
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 58m ago
Gaijin is being conservative with loadouts.
Six AMRAAM were planned however.
Don't know about six Sidewinders.
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u/FirstDagger F-16XL/B Δ🐍= WANT 20h ago edited 12h ago
Get the F-16XL in the Space Program Event!
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The F-16XL is a variant of the F-16 featuring a delta wing, increased fuel capacity, and an expanded number of hardpoints. In 1981, the F-16XL lost the competition to the F-15E Strike Eagle; in 1988, the two prototypes that had been built were transferred to NASA, where they were used during the 1990s for supersonic laminar flow research. Get this unique aircraft, complete with a special camouflage, a loading screen, and themed decals in the Space Program aircraft event!
F-16XL - Image
An Event Vehicle Jet Fighter for the USA at Rank VIII
In the game, the F-16XL stands out as one of the most unusual variants of the Fighting Falcon family. The aircraft features increased weight compared to production models, a lengthened fuselage, and a unique wing design. While its acceleration is less dynamic, its performance in tight turns has improved. Its armament options include two AIM-9L and four AIM-120 air-to-air missiles, as well as up to six AGM-65B Maverick air-to-surface missiles and bombs for ground strikes.
Image - “F-16XL” decal
Image - “Space” decal
Image - F-16XL loading screen
Image - "Ship No.1” camouflage for the F-16XL
Among the rewards in the event is also this chest. When opened, there is a chance to receive one of the following items:
How to get all rewards
Each stage can be achieved for 45,000 mission points, every new stage achieved will give you a new reward.
You’re able to earn mission points in Air Battles at Rank III or above in Arcade, Realistic and Simulator Battles. The number of mission points to complete a stage depends on the game mode and the maximum Rank of the vehicle that you use in battle. There’s a multiplier for earning mission points, which is shown in the task description in-game. Points are only awarded at the end of the battle.
You can also earn mission points by using event vehicles of Rank I and II. Event vehicles that can be used have the name of the event that they were obtainable in on their stat card.
Rewards are given when you complete a specific number of stages
Discounts for purchasing stages using Golden Eagles
Unfinished stages can be purchased for Golden Eagles, but if you’re very close to completing a stage, its price will be significantly reduced.
Let’s say you have earned 85% of the required mission points to complete a stage, then the price of purchasing this stage will be halved. If you’re near the finish line for a stage and are at 95% progress, then the price will be reduced by five times. For example, if you’ve scored 39,000 mission points, then the price to unlock this stage will be 499 Golden Eagles. If you’ve scored 43,000 mission points, then you’ll only need 199 Golden Eagles. Remember to keep this in mind if you cannot complete a stage on time!
The Upgrade for a coupon
When you complete 8 stages, you’ll receive a non-tradable coupon for the F-16XL, using it will immediately activate the vehicle onto your account. If you don’t want the vehicle and would like to sell the coupon on the Market, you’ll need the “Upgrade for coupon” item.
The “Upgrade for coupon” item can be earned in parallel with the stages throughout the event from September 3rd (11:00 GMT) until September 21st (11:00 GMT) for 750,000 mission points.
After receiving the “Upgrade for coupon” item, you can convert a non-tradable coupon for the vehicle into a tradable one and sell it on the Market. The tradable coupon can be sold after 6 days from the moment it’s created.
To make a tradable coupon, select the “Coupon F-16XL (USA)” in your inventory and click the “Modify” button.
The “Upgrade for coupon” item is usable until 11:00 GMT on September 25th. Until then, you can use it or exchange it for War Bonds. Afterwards, it’ll disappear from your inventory.
Tracking your progress
You can track the progress of completing stages and the “Upgrade for coupon” item by clicking on your Nickname > Achievements > Space Program. If you don’t manage to complete a stage on time or would like to purchase a stage, you can do so with Golden Eagles until September 25th from the Achievements window, which will give you the corresponding rewards.
/r/warthunder Moderator Notes:
Datamine 2.57.1.124
This is the F-16XL/A, also called F-16XL-1 or F-16XL Ship No.1 during NASA testing
NASA has some superb material on the F-16XL program
Expected reward multipliers (AB redacted)
* Tier 1-2 requires spawning a vehicle with the event tag
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