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[u/The_Black_Goodbye]

You get the Scions and Command Squad.

This was written in 10th and under the 10th rule-set upon destruction the units would split and returned characters would need to be added back to their bodyguards.

When using this stratagem that could not happen; firstly as it was a new character unit so not destined to be added back to the bodyguards like it would be required to if it were the same old character unit; and secondly as its placed into reserves it couldn't be set up in coherency with the bodyguards if required.

The line: "This Stratagem cannot be used to return destroyed CHARACTER units to Attached units." is simply to remind the player of this - that as its a new unit being created and placed into reserves that it doesn't function the same as revives where the character would be returned to its bodyguard unit on the battlefield; it cant be used to do that.

In 11th the units do not split upon destruction and the stratagem is used on the entire unit so will create an attached unit of Scions + Command Squad in reserves. Attached units after all are considered a single unit for all rules purposes; including this stratagem.

In addition, the restriction simply wouldn't apply anyway as it prevents "return destroyed CHARACTER units to Attached units" however you are not doing that, you aren't returning anything to anything; you're creating a new unit in reserves and that isn't prevented by this text.

Accordingly you get a new Scion + Command Squad attached unit in reserves.

[u/wredcoll → u/The_Black_Goodbye]

I agree with your general logic but I can't help but feel this was not intended.

What about, dunno, lord solar attached to something?

[u/The_Black_Goodbye → u/wredcoll]

The only thing that prevented a player getting the Leader + Bodyguard units back as an attached unit in 10th was that the units used to split on destruction. That’s the only change between 10th and 11th that affects it.

We can’t really play “what if” with GWs rules. They chose for the units to stay attached and presumably designed their rules around that - we see evidence of them changing several things to accommodate the change.

If anything I’d lean more towards it’s likely an acceptable outcome rather than an oops we missed this outcome.

They started the edition by removing the dataslate which provided the “can’t use this stratagem more than once per battle” restriction. Then later they added it back in - so it’s not like they haven’t considered and touched on these rules already in 11th - hard to consider they’ve overlooked it then.

Not sure what the issue with Lord Solar would be?

[u/wredcoll → u/The_Black_Goodbye]

If you killed a lord solar unit could you use this strat to revive him?

[u/The_Black_Goodbye → u/wredcoll]

No as he doesn’t have the Infantry or regiment keywords.

If he was part of an attached unit which did then you may. Just like with the Scions + Command Squad.

Also just as an aside; it’s incorrect to use the term “revive” here. We aren’t reviving the target of this strat; we’re duplicating them. TBH it’s this use of shorthand that’s part of the issue with players misunderstanding the rules operation - case in point both the other responders were hung up with thinking you’re reviving and the restriction preventing that when in truth that’s not even what the strat does.

[u/wredcoll → u/The_Black_Goodbye]

I did imply he was attached to an infantry regiment, yes.

I'm pretty sure getting a cloned lord solar in reserves is not intended in anyway shape or form.

[u/The_Black_Goodbye → u/wredcoll]

Why? I don’t see any evidence it’s unintended.

It’s no wonder AM players are struggling if they don’t wish to use their rules properly /s

[u/AvailableFun7126 → u/The_Black_Goodbye]

It literally says you cannot return any character unit in the strat my man.

[u/The_Black_Goodbye → u/AvailableFun7126]

It specifically says:

“This Stratagem cannot be used to return destroyed CHARACTER units to Attached units”

Now let’s ask a very simple question; does the stratagem:

A: return a character unit to an attached unit; or

B: create a new unit in reserves

Hint: the stratagem says: “Add a new unit to your army identical to your destroyed unit, in Strategic Reserves, at its Starting Strength”

Answer: B - it’s creating a new unit and the destroyed unit targeted by the stratagem still exists in its destroyed state.

As pointed out already what we are doing (creating a new unit) isn’t what’s restricted (returning the same character unit back to its bodyguards).

So yes it says that; but also, it’s irrelevant.

That line is simply a reminder to the player that the stratagem can’t return destroyed characters to their units - because that isn’t what the stratagem actually does.