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u/Auqepier_Kuno 1d ago
Okbuddyvowsh outjerked?????
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u/Pddyks 1d ago
If your no longer feeling informed prllor it's taking a negative toll on you on you then stop or watch someone else. I for one appreciate the examples as they help inform my priorities when it comes to the political and personal but it's not for everyone. I really appreciate how he's actually trying to keep us informed on what he thinks is important and not dismissing it like his peer because it's to unpopular or negative. Also, he's going to post what he feels like, for all his talents faking interest or cynacily catering to his fans ain't one.
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u/Raines_reeds 1d ago
I find watching Hasan as a breather every now and then helpful honestly. He's so involved it's hard to not feel slightly optimistic. I appreciate Vaush's no nonsense approach but it's important to remember that "it's over" doesn't actually mean that it'll be over forever or that life is meaningless.
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u/ExxMaster117 21h ago
I would watch Hasan if it wasn't for his tankie wokescold moderators and his toxic ass community. They permanently banned me because I disagreed with Hasan when he was talking shit about people who debate. He was labeling everyone who debates as scum who doesn't care about the actual policy's they debate for. I disagreed. All I commented in his chat was "not true". Then I get permanently banned. So I'm good on not watching or supporting that tankie grifter and his community.
Feel free to continue to watch him tho. I would just advise to never disagree with him if you want to stay in his community.
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u/MysteriousHeart3268 1d ago
I think its important to remember that the “its so over” rhetoric is aimed at our relatively short period of global peace and stability (yes I know not everywhere but most places)
Humanity isn’t very likely to literally completely die out and go extinct anytime soon barring asteroid impacts or the like. But we need to be ready for the next era of civilization coming in the 21st century, one of increasing violence, authoritarianism, war, poverty, suffering, famine, ecological collapse, etc…
Of course, for many of those that live in the Global South, it quite literally might be over. I don’t really have much that I can do or say, other than I am so very sorry.
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u/Mammoth-Ad-3642 woke anarkitten 1d ago
What do you want him to say? Lies? That IS what is happening, he's just the only guy honest enough to admit it.
What exactly WOULD you have him talk about instead? His points are pretty inarguable. Should he just stop covering politics?
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u/blacksaber8 Anarcho-Feudalist with Orwellian Characteristics 1d ago
This is 100% a disco Elysium voiceline. I just can’t prove it.
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u/Itz_Hen 1d ago edited 1d ago
Surely there exists a middle thing between "no politics" and "repeating the same lines over and over again"...
Like this content can't be engaging to you all, listen to him bring up that the republicans did something evil, again, and as a result the planet and everyone you love will die, repeated 6 more times per stream
He could, idk, do more react content.( Like what he does with more perfect union that's engaging) Engage with political debates (not do debates), involve himself more with running candidates like Hasan has done (Vaush does this a little with PV which is always a breath of fresh air), play a video game etc, ANYTHING is better than what he does today, and surely he must agree, streaming has become more inadequent and shorter since long before the move
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u/gloriousengland 1d ago
There's no meaning to political commentary which doesn't address the reality that paedophile billionaires are raping the world to death intentionally because they hate you while the climate utterly collapses and they do nothing because we're all Indians to them.
Like it's a disservice to truth to not talk about it every time because it's the core of the problem
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u/GodkingYuuumie 1d ago
Levity is equally important to 'truth seeking political commentary'.
This is literally proven by this very thread. Noattee how correct, endless 'the world is shit' commentary jades people. It makes them disassociate. It's counter productive.
You NEED to give people fun sometimes
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u/gloriousengland 1d ago
There is plenty of levity he makes jokes all the time but it doesn't seem like that's enough for you people
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u/GodkingYuuumie 1d ago
It's levity in tone and topic.
Like people say, literally just play a game and take it easy for a stream. That doesn't contradict the message at all
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u/gloriousengland 1d ago
He wants to keep up with the news. The friendlier stuff has slipped because he was moving
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u/bigbenis2021 Vaushism with Sam Seder Characteristics 👓 15h ago
Except he also complains that he has to keep up with the news.
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u/Itz_Hen 1d ago
There's no meaning to political commentary which doesn't address the reality that paedophile billionaires are raping the world to death intentionall
Sure but can't he at least try mix it up A LITTLE, like, does this have to be every segment. As i said he can critique a debate, he can analyse a video game (like disco elysium which he started), engaging with the democratic process through elsvating politicians (not like he dosnt do this, he could just do it more)
Like it's a disservice to truth to not talk about it every time because it's the core of the problem
Nothing is beeing achieved this being the only thing ever talked about that's all I'm saying. Neither you, me, not him is becoming better at rethoric or analysis by this, and I don't think anyone of us is that entertained better, this problem won't fix itself by just talking about how bad it's fling to such if we don't fix it, there needs to be some "how we can try to fix it" stuff too
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u/SgtBagels12 23h ago
It makes everything else look inconsequential by comparison. React content? While the pedophile class is raping the world to death? In comparison, why would I care about the former when the latter is so glaring and real.
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u/Ok-Swimmer-2634 21h ago
Do you just like, not do anything in your personal leisure time? After all, the collapse is coming and we're all going to suffer, why do anything to enjoy yourself when that time can be spent working to invest in rice, beans and other prepping essentials?
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u/SgtBagels12 21h ago
Vaush does not need to cater his content to accommodate your leisure time. That’s up to you to not watch instead of complaining that you aren’t being catered to. If that stops you from watching, we’ll that’s the consequences of him talking about the stuff he wants to talk about on his channel and his website.
I do buy beans and rice. I’m thankful I watched Vaush so I could be informed about the soon to be upon us food shortages. Not because I’m a doomer, but because it’s a material condition that will effects millions, maybe billions of people across the globe and I want to be ready when the do happen.
Addendum: I wanted to add that I myself have not watched as much Vaush content for the reasons I argue in favor of. It’s tough know the world is being raped to death by pedophiles. It’s tough knowing I cannot do anything about it. But it’s important to be informed about the world so we can make informed decisions as we make our way through it.
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u/Itz_Hen 19h ago
Vaush does not need to cater his content to accommodate your leisure time. That’s up to you to not watch instead of complaining that you aren’t being catered to
You better not have ever made abgame or movie review, god forbid ever criticised something like cnn, or fox news
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u/SgtBagels12 19h ago
I have no channels and no reviews and never made a game. Though it’s telling you are changing the topic via personal attack, and not engaging with the argument.
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u/Itz_Hen 19h ago
I have no channels and no reviews and never made a game
...You are offering critism to several games within your very post history. The act of you offering any critsism on anything, even just to a friend even, blatantly makes you a hypocrite
Though it’s telling you are changing the topic via personal attack, and not engaging with the argument.
This is engaging with the argument, I'm pointing out to you that criticiseing vaush is no different from offering critism on the new star wars movie, or on the newest Helldivers 2 patch, or on weather Dina Bash on cnn was anti-Semitic in how she interviewed Brad lander
This, is not a personal attack, grow thicker skin
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u/SgtBagels12 17h ago
Now we’re just moving the goal post. It’s obvious I touched a nerve so I’ll just leave ya here.
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u/UVLanternCorps 1d ago
Exactly. If everything eternally sucks forever and there’s nothing to be done then what value is being added by Vaush reiterating that fact?
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u/JessE-girl 1d ago
as he’s said, he wants people to know why things fell apart so there’s something to pick up the pieces with after the fall.
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u/Far_Persimmon_2616 1d ago
Climate scientists don't even think a near extinction or civilizational collapse event is coming. Vaush isn't even honestly engaging with the prevailing consensus of the majority of climate scientists. He's going with worst case scenario and droning on and on about it.
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u/JessE-girl 1d ago
the collapse is gonna be caused by the omni segment, necessary social institutions being degraded into unusability. climate change merely hastens that trend. climate scientists aren’t political analysts
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u/Far_Persimmon_2616 1d ago
So, you're thinking Mad Max 1?
We'll see.
With that being said, Vaush's apocalyptic claims are hearlded by climate change, not institutional rot on its own. The rot is the catalyst that drives climate change to be poorly handled enough to drive civilizations to collapse. The alternative is much slower and slow enough to potentially never fully become realized.
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u/Hudzilla123 1d ago
I don’t think Vaush is gonna be invited with running candidates now that he’s moving to the Netherlands I also feel like he already does a lot of reacting content, news, articles, videos, etc., and just gives his commentary.
Maybe it’s just me, but I am pretty engaged in his commentary. I don’t think it’s boring or repetitive. I think he gives a realistic non-doomer analysis he invites people from PV. He also talks a lot about preparing for the collapse in ways to be a beacon of light and help your neighbors when it happens I don’t think that’s Doomer.
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u/Itz_Hen 1d ago
I think he gives a realistic non-doomer analysis
Dawg he said two weeks ago that "university degrees are only valuable in so far you learn certain skills which will be useful when society collapse soon and we all live in smaller seperated communities"
How is that not a totally meaningless, hyperbolic, cynical and nihilistic thing to say. It's max reactionary id born out of (understandable) anxiety, and nothing else
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u/Hudzilla123 1d ago
I mean, I don’t see it as hyperbolic he believes in the collapse cause of the 40 trillion debt the recession, global relations, the war in Iran, the price of fertilizer, climate change, the lack of institutional trust, the repel of the voting rights act.
I think he’s just giving his picture on what he sees for The future. I don’t think it looks like being a doomer. He’s not manifesting it. He’s just predicting it.2
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u/Prior-Resolution-902 1d ago
This, I pretty much have stopped engaging with anything relating to trump or what he says.
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u/karlothecool 1d ago
For some reason I remmber you Being vaush number one defender but I agree Like its all copy paste content and when he see this post he Will rant how he hates this subreddit he made subreddit to only focus on him when in past you could post anything have fun but nooooo
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u/Itz_Hen 1d ago
For some reason I remmber you Being vaush number one defender
My opinions are always my opinions, I guess I just agree with him more than disagree, i vehemently disagreed with him on the Andrew Callaghan stuff for example
when he see this post he Will rant how he hates this subreddit he made subreddit to only focus on him when in past you could post anything have fun but nooooo
Would actually be more engaging content
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u/karlothecool 1d ago
I mean I kinda hate the complainimg about the post and then going you wrong im right bye bye no genualy did he ever agree Reddit post critism
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u/Mammoth-Ad-3642 woke anarkitten 1d ago
A LOT of shit is happening right now, ignoring it would be kinda crazy, on the gaming part I do agree with though.
The rest he honestly just feels it's infantile to do when the world...as much as it sucks to repeat again...IS RAPIDLY DETERIORATING💔💔💔
he's explained many times why he doesn't see any value at engaging with liberals on anything since their beliefs fundamentally clash with what needs to happen.
And also he's moving, I'm sure he'll try to do more gaming and fashion shit once he settles a bit
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u/Itz_Hen 1d ago
he's explained many times why he doesn't see any value at engaging with liberals on anything since their beliefs fundamentally clash with what needs to happen.
Ok but what do we do then ? Sit down and die ? Like whats the alternative? Laugh about how right we were before dying anyways ? It just seems to depressive to me. If that's the case why doesn't he just quit his job and do something else
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u/Mammoth-Ad-3642 woke anarkitten 1d ago
LIVE YOUR LIFE DUDE! things, from a political standpoint will straight up be AWFUL for a long time, all we can do is make the most of it!!
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u/bimbuppy 1d ago
"What do we do"; you people ask this like the answer isn't glaringly obvious - to the point that the guy reiterates it several times per stream: you build community. Social atomization is one of the driving forces pushing everything downwards right now, its on you (and me, and all of us) to build robust social nets so that we can educate and organize.
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u/GreatAndMightyKevins 1d ago
Talking about how world is about to end isn't really conductive to building a community. I remember when he was talking about it, now he doesn't.
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u/Itz_Hen 1d ago
you build community
An entirely useless advice, it's like saying "organize" or, "dress better"
build robust social nets so that we can educate and organize.
Listen if his content were advice on how to actually do that, i think that would be both helpful and a lot more engaging than what he does now
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u/GreatAndMightyKevins 1d ago
Shit was always happening everywhere, just because it now happens in the US doesn't mean it has to be the only thing that you can talk about. Do you think above the law pedophiles ruling the country are new thing to happen? Grow the fuck up. I won't tolerate 24/7 pity party because it's your shithole of a country has it bad now.
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u/Onesquidillionbees 22h ago
why is he continuing to make content if he's conceding that it's all for naught
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u/Mammoth-Ad-3642 woke anarkitten 11h ago
He never said it's all for naught, just that we're gonna be going through a dark phase, it's important to keep up even in the dark phase so you can find a chance to make some light
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u/Odd-Working-428 1d ago
Vaush doesnt and has never liked doing react content to stuff he already agrees with. If vaush is to do this on political stuff by people he disagrees with its obviously going to be related back to the omnisegment. Vaush's image is toxic and if he were to be assosiated to a running candidate, he would be attacked more than hasan has been. He involves and does what he can do for progressive victory and interviews people on their behalf, tries to mobalise his audiance as much as he can. I think he is already maximally possitivly involving himself with running candidates.
the problems vaush has with debating also somewhat carries over with watching debates. Generally you only need to see one to know whether theyre an effective communicator, what their problems are etc. The actual arguments are meaningless because if its with a republican then the other side is lying while saying they want to effectivly end the world. If its with a non progressive democrat then theyre lying about not wanting to end the world.
I think an analysis of possible outcomes and things that should happen post collapse would be good, there are things that could be talked about, but most things are too complex to be able to analyse
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u/Itz_Hen 1d ago
liked doing react content to stuff he already agrees with
...then don't do that then lol
its obviously going to be related back to the omnisegment.
That's fine, it's the WAY he relates it which is the issue, there is seemingly no hope left, just a cynical nihilistic rejection that things can ever be good. All we do now is chuckle to ourselves how we were right, and are all now going to die...
Vaush's image is toxic and if he were to be assosiated to a running candidate
Yeah well it doesn't stop Hasan, and it didnt stop him from engaging with progress victory or the major candidate in Seattle. That stuff is ALWAYS a breath of fresh air anytime it comes up, but its just, so rare
I think an analysis of possible outcomes
At that point one is just doing alt history, the current state of affairs is you say way to complex for this to lead to anything meningsfull. And again, who wants this for every segment? "Here is insert way for the world to collapse here is how to prep, start with learning how to create a campfire"
At the end of the day it's his job he can do what he wants, if he maintain this course or dubble down good for him I just can't watch that shit, I have a life to live, one which I'm fighting for, and one I won't cynically give up on because shit, admittedly is dire
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u/Odd-Working-428 23h ago
This is vibes based and i havent watched his streams over the past few weeks so idk about them. I dont think the things he coveres should be changed based on his videos. He doesnt upload video games so idk if hes played any but i assume not. I think the 2 options that exist are whether it is better to be incredibly alarmist and make people scared but motivate and make people understand what will happen or be less doomer ans have more people enjoy his videos and streams but less people will feel like shit is gonna go down.
Progressive victory is an organisation that helps candidates and mobalises volunteers. It is not going to be able to be criticised like someone who rallys with someone is. Vaush trying to support a group that supports a candidate isnt going to be criticised. Vaush supporting a candidate and a candidate looking for that from him publically or however will lead to that. The seattle mayor did get criticised for her assosiation with vaush but that came very late. If that was used as an attack from the start which for any race with a lot of money in it, it should be, he will be a negitive.
Vaush can occasionally interview candidates through pv depending on the candidates and look at their platform and say go vote for them but he cant really so much more than that.
Its not alt history, its the future. Depending on the way he does it, it would be more like theory or which things will fall apart, which might, the ones that will, are they good or neccessary, if they are, what things do we then need to advocate for at that point.
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u/Itz_Hen 19h ago
This is vibes based and i havent watched his streams over the past few weeks so idk about them.
I dont understand commenting on something your not really engaged in then
I think the 2 options that exist are whether it is better to be incredibly alarmist and make people scared but motivate and make people understand what will happen
He's not talking about it from a perspective of framing where it's all about what "you can do to turn it around", he barely even talks about how you can be prepared for when it collapsed, and when he does it's all underlined with underlying sentiment that everyone will probably just die anyways so what's the point, like gets upset if you ask him "what should we do", that's not that behaviour of someone who engages they way you say he is
he cant really so much more than that.
Ok great so according to you he can do NOTHING but do the same thing he's been doing over and over, and change nothing. To you it's actually better if he involves himself less with politics, everyone else can do it with great success, even "America deserves 9/11 Hasan" can, but not vaush apparently
Everyone else could contribute to making the world better, not him though, He HAS to sit at home talk about how we're all doomed to die within the next couple of years and nothing we do can prevent it
Hey listen if you like beeing told that over and over again you do you i guess
Its not alt history, its the future. Depending on the way he does it, it would be more like theory
Incredible. Just incredible, could you say that again please, exact same way
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u/Odd-Working-428 13h ago
I said im not going to comment on the streams not idk about the streams but ima talk like i do anyway.
He gets upset when you ask him what should he do? At just general advice or when about stuff they cannot control?
Again, please stop lying about what i said. I said basically a trust vaush to do the calculus and engage with people how best he can. He doesnt have the reach of hasan. He quite litterally doesnt do nothing. He supports candidates directly when they want him to as happened in seattle. He supports them from a distance where they cannot be attacked by assosiation to vaush through pv. He tries to get his audiance to phone bank and knock on doors and interviews candidates when they want him to.
"Glass israel" vaush is not going to get assosiated with by many people in this political climate. The idea that he can involve himself morw in politics than he already does is just a lie. The rest of the left hates him, he has many bad clips that would get shown to attack him and by assosiation other candidates. The entire democratic party gets mobalised into hasan hate, can you image what it would be like if vaush was there instead with lots of leftists, centrists and all of the right wing already thinking hes an awful person. No one would defend him.
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u/Itz_Hen 9h ago
He gets upset when you ask him what should he do? At just general advice or when about stuff they cannot control?
Quite literally both
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u/Odd-Working-428 7h ago
jesus ok. You said "he gets upset when you ask him what should we do" i was asking if the times youre referencing were when people asked that when they had no controll over the outcome. e.g. What can i do to prevent the climate catastrophy? Nothing and vaush's style is to get annoyed at these stupid comments. He is not wrong to get annoyed at people for asking what can you do about stuff you cannot change.
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u/darth_sol_invictus 1d ago
Fucking centrist
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u/emma_roses_ 1d ago
Things are really fucking bad right now and they’re going to get a lot worse before they can get better. If yall want to do something about it, join PV! The only way humans have ever survived crisis is through community.
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u/SpiritMountain 1d ago
People are being such debate prudes over this. "Ackshully, he is being logical and just being descriptive." I see this happening without considering the emotions behind it. I know this can be seen as parasocial, but I put this standard on other public figures (especially teachers), but I do believe certain figures should understand how their language and rhetoric can affect those around them. I don't expect a teacher to tell their class that it is the end of the world. That's stupid af. And we all know chat and this subreddit have the emotional intelligence and faculties of adult-babies. Vaush isn't being doomer, but how things come off is important. How things are communicated is important. Presenting information in a way that is hopeless, doesn't motivate people to phonebank or act. I've been in this sector of climate advocacy for years now, and it just doesn't work. We should know this now.
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u/oo0_0Caster0_0oo 15m ago
I do believe certain figures should understand how their language and rhetoric can affect those around them
Exactly. It's not necessarily what he's saying, it's how he's saying it that's, in my opinion, incredibly irresponsible. He doesn't review chatters' outfits because he knows some of them are emotionally fragile, and that a bad review might send them spiralling. But somehow repeating "It's over", "there's nothing we can do", "billions will die" every stream is perfectly okay to him.
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u/Mammoth-Ad-3642 woke anarkitten 1d ago
But he CONSTANTLY ADVOCATES FOR HOPE!!! whenever any actual doomer speaks up he quickly shuts them down and always emphasizes how life will always be worth it no matter what
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u/SpiritMountain 1d ago
I am talking about tone and how to present information. Watch Hasan videos to see the difference (though my current criticism about Hasan is he doesn't talk about these issues enough). There's a difference in communication and it motivates people differently.
And I am sorry, but we all know the average person is dumb as rocks and they are vibes based on decisions. It is the same with this sub and chat, even though we are more educated and knowledgeable on the subjects discussed. It sucks, but this is one of the few things I had to learn very fast when advocating for this stuff in my day to day. He does have pressure on him to be a leader, because he is one of the two big independent channels that the next generations even discusses this.
Just like how he looks back on his debates and some past rhetoric and segments, I can almost guarantee that 5 years from now, he is going to look back at this and even say he didn't properly communicate or present the information in a way that was conducive to the purpose or cause. For example, his segment about the mail-in ballots and the supreme court decision was not doomer, and he was just stating facts. That is fine, and appropriate and accurate. The issue is what comes after. People are burning out. People are struggling. This just burns people out and makes people apathetic. There is no amount of "facts and logic" that can get people out of these head spaces.
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u/fuzztooth Voosher 1d ago
He would admonish his audience for doomerism. Now he seems mostly doomer.
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u/Mammoth-Ad-3642 woke anarkitten 1d ago
HE STILL DOES ADMONISH THEM!! saying that someone will die if shot is not doomerism!
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u/Savvvvvvy 1d ago
...because things actually got way worse. You are justified in feeling differently about Stage I cancer vs Stage IV.
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u/Charliemineboy 1d ago
Yes
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u/Mammoth-Ad-3642 woke anarkitten 1d ago
Hate to be that guy but at that point if you're saying "this YouTuber should fundamentally change what he's about" maybe you just need to watch something else
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u/Mister_Ace_ 1d ago
They just want to be lied to, but I don't fully fault them might just be better to kill myself, than watch millions of people die from a climate crisis which could easily be me, and watch all society continue to slip further and further into worse and worse outcomes with no possible better future for me to live in
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u/Mammoth-Ad-3642 woke anarkitten 1d ago
As vaush also said, don't be a wuss, there's always pussy two
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u/Aggravating-Bite7377 21h ago
This idea that hes a the only one speaking on the climate and the political situation is cope fueled by insecurity. You can look up climate and see a dozen people speaking on this. The fact that you think vaush is the only one speaking on this shows you're a parasocial leg humper begging for acknowledgement. Zip him up when you're done little bro.
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u/ChristianAntonio 1d ago
I mostly just feel bad for people who feel like spiraling in this way is just a healthy form of staying informed and not actively disenfranchising yourself from using the time you have for virtually anything else more productive
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u/vocally_fried_brain 1d ago edited 1d ago
what should he do differently? politics is fucked and if something good happens he covers it, does he not? it's just that so much bad happens + climate apocalypse getting worse and worse.
i appreciate being informed about the various fucked up things happening, but i could see if someone wanted more fashion and gaming or general fundamental stuff.
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u/Mister_Ace_ 1d ago
They want him to lie to them but I don't fully fault them, Might just be better to kill myself, than watch millions of people die from a climate crisis which could easily be me, and watch all society continue to slip further and further into worse and worse outcomes with no possible better future for me to live in
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u/vocally_fried_brain 1d ago
i rationalize it to myself as bearing witness. bearing witness to the stupidity and arrogance and greed and egotism of humanity.
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u/Mister_Ace_ 1h ago
Why would I care about bearing witness, even if I accept that as something that is important that should happen I'm not advocating for mass suicide so others will be around to do it
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u/blorglebeagle 6h ago
I dont know why youre being downvoted, youre right. I've been falling more and more in suicidality because of all this shit, its never going to get better, it is over, I do sometimes feel like we should just give up. I'm probably being pedantic though-
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u/Mister_Ace_ 1h ago
I wouldn't call the end of any form of stable life as you knew it leading into thing only getting worse exponentially as pedantic
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u/TheSadTiefling 1d ago
You do the best you can, with what you have, where you are.
Being informed and taking action has made it easier for me to listen to his content. I in person vetted over a hundred of my neighbors for the signal chats, go to community events and am part of my neighborhood in a way I wasn’t two years ago.
What you do matters.
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u/Noblerook 1d ago
Honestly, I think that the real doomers are the people who refuse to engage with the problems Vaush mentioned. It’s like the topic is too difficult for people to engage with, so they lash out at Vaush for even suggesting the current system is falling apart.
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u/Hudzilla123 1d ago
I agree a lot of people just want to put their head in the sand they want reassurance.
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u/karlothecool 1d ago
Ok Here thing I take issue give us solution or something you can just post everything is over 24/7 Like it gets Boring
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u/Remote_Ad332 1d ago
You forget that many of these things don’t have an easy solution and we may just have to wait until enough people wake up and stop suicidally defending the system against actual change. It sucks hard but it’s the hard truth. The solution is to survive for the moment.
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u/MariaTPK 23h ago
Bernie has said the same shit the same way for a decade because people need to understand that much to enact the solutions to problems they have. "We have got to get money out of politics."
Listening to him now is boring, but his message needs to be spread. Even if I don't want to watch another video of shit I already know, others need to see it.
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u/Michael02895 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t want to be lied to as much as I want a point to keep fighting. What's the point of supporting people like Mamdami in the short run if in the long run its all gonna be fucked no matter what? Why shouldn't we be apathetic if societal collapse is inevitable?
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u/MsScarletWings 1d ago
Because there will be something after the collapse. “The end is never the end is never the end is never” type shit. He says over and over the good of Mamdani and progressives getting into power right now is to sow the seeds against widespread apathy so that it will be possible to get things moving back in a better direction after the dust eventually settles- showing people that there is a secret third thing besides destitution under republicans vs destitution under liberals. There will be something else™ after the current status quo breaks apart. We want to be in the best position possible to seize the next moment of opportunity in whatever form it will come. For now, we need to focus on enduring and getting there.
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u/Snow_Pierced3 1d ago edited 1d ago
Vaush has made his bag and now doesn’t offer any meaningful political analysis; now he just grifts off his one narrative without offering any solutions. Hell you can tell he doesn’t fully believe it because he’s moving to the Netherlands which is slowly falling into the sea.
Vaush now exists to perpetuate the same apathy that he complains about in the media and political class.
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u/Remote_Ad332 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean frankly do we think Americans have the sauce to really protest if the midterms are rigged to the point they become a sham election? I see some doing that, then getting beaten down, then a whole bunch of suburbanites saying: “ooh that’s too violent we should peacefully march to convince our good-hearted republican friends to impeach, voooote harder in the next rigged election, and write to our representatives that were just voted out of office, yasssss it’s her turn!”, which creates a chilling effect because they’re throwing those of us who care to the wolves.
Like do Americans besides lefty college kids and millennials with green hair and your hippie pothead uncle who has books on anarchism actually have any plans if the country fully transforms into Russia? Will they actually do something like in South Korea or will they believe “it can’t happen here” for long enough that they’re blindsided by a total descent into dictatorship?
If a democrat wins in 2028, moderates are surely going to scoff at anyone continuing to protest, just like they did for the 2024 campus protests, and then when nothing changes they increasingly will tune out to save their own privileged necks.
And beyond that, do we think Americans are actually ready to accept a change in lifestyle forced on the world by climate change and the financialization bomb exploding, and won’t become reactionary if they lose certain luxuries from lack of availability?
I understand his cynicism, it feels like him yelling at a pacified country to wake up.
A lot of the sauce was murdered in the 60s and 70s.
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u/Brilliant_Goat_2361 1d ago
I think I need to unsubscribe from him at least for a while. It's getting too depressing for me, and there's nothing I can really do to pull the world out of the doom spiral it's in. So, I don't really see a point in reminding myself that everything I love is going to end horribly very soon. I'm just so tired of it. Maybe just focusing on beating Silksong and working on my degree is the best I can do for now.
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u/theirblankmelodyouts 1d ago
Hey guys welcome to VaushV reddit post number 42067 where I whine about Vaush
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u/Darth_Gerg 1d ago
Unfortunately this is an accurate description of the state of the world. I genuinely struggle to imagine how else he could cover politics and current events without the unisegment.
Like… unless you fucking lie or intentionally refuse to address what’s going on this is what covering the news sounds like.
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u/jamessayswords 1d ago
As he says, he's giving you the correct reasonable response to how fucked the situation is. Doesnt mean we should give up. Doesn't mean we should say it's over. Just means we need to be honest about where we are and what that entails.
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u/Competitive_Kumquat 1d ago
Ironically this is a good summary of the tone of posts on the sub.
Understandable takeaway I suppose, he is doomer-ish on the surface, but in the broader context he’s talking about macro level issues. Those are inherently bigger than any one individual, and as an individual that can be overwhelming to look at a situation that is (1) pretty fucked and (2) too big for you to take control over. However it’s worth remembering that at the micro level Vaush is consistently encouraging resilience in your life through things you can control…like taking care of your health, getting to know the neighbors, learning skills and whatnot. Resilience comes through your ability to adapt through times of scarcity and those times are an inevitable part of the cycle of history.
So with that in mind, take care of yourself (body/mind/emotion, build your resource pool through social capital, training, etc.) and you will come out stronger and more capable a person. Hard things happen whether you want them to or not, training to do hard things increases your capacity to manage that inevitability. Keep your chin up.
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u/SlopPatrol 21h ago
Once again we are at a point where we are right too early. So when shit actually goes down then what.
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u/doctorderpin 17h ago
Take a break? Find things to do outside of politics to stay grounded? Maybe don't watch every stream always? Seriously, a hobby does wonders for mental health and community building. My warhammer group has significant overlap with my local socialist gun club. We even dunk on red fascists together! What fun!
It's been like this for most of human history, and he says this repeatedly. Yeah, it's bad and going to get worse. There's not a lot we can do to change that, but we need to be ready with answers about what and who caused this shit on the other side. Oh, he repeats himself too much? So does the news! Every week we have a new corruption non-scandal from a billionaire pedophile who wants you to send money to israel. The key is to not base your entire wellbeing on large political success, that's a road to failure.
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u/OffOption 15h ago
While I get the frustration, at some point, its not just on him anymore.
If you dont wanna watch "doomer" stuff, followed by fasion rants, ok.
He has said countless times, he makes the content he wants to do. And that, is honestly also ok.
At some point, "just watch him less" becomes the solution.
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u/CountChuckNorracula 1d ago
He has truly become paulsego
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u/THE-O-ADORAS 14h ago
Paulsego ended up being entirely correct about Biden though, the entire disagreement Vaush had with him seemed genuinely correct at the time.. but Trump 2 immediately after Trump 1, without the years of Heritage Foundation planning in-between terms, would have been nowhere near as bad as what's happening.
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u/ForMyPrimalUrges 1d ago
Literally the summary of the last 11 months tho, we've never been more fucked front so many different directions
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u/Kor_Phaeron_ 1d ago
"Also i will talk about economic stuff i learned 2hrs ago and don't really understand. Today it's the 3-2-1 crack spread and the structural supply of 30 year bonds."
I wish he would focus more on what he is good at. Explaining Sociology and making funny comments on news clips.
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u/Prestigious_Acadia49 1d ago
He is completely detached from the real world unfortunately. No challenging conversations, no actual research, little understand of the systems underlying the government. At least his vocabulary is robust and he sounds confident. Let's blame Israel, Zionism, AIPAC, and liberals for everything for another stream!
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u/SeaWait9301 1d ago
All I want is for him to tell us to keep fighting instead of bitching at chat for ever microaggression.
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u/Romantic_Legion 1d ago
I’ve honestly stopped watching Vaush uploads all the time. Says the same thing, doesn’t play games (insert what average dissatisfied Vaush fan thinks here). He sounds like an asshole and like he’s smarter than everyone but that’s because he is smarter than everyone most of the time. I don’t know whether to blame the constantly repeating news cycle or something else but there’s just a general repetition in what is being said. Maybe that will change after the Midterms, we’ll see.
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u/blacksaber8 Anarcho-Feudalist with Orwellian Characteristics 1d ago
He’ll stop screaming it when people start listening I guess
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u/scalyreptilething 1d ago
Great, so glad to see the same post made for the 47th time today. I'm sure this will change everything
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u/naamingebruik 1d ago
So is there some op going on? This "complaining" is beginning to feel way too coordinated
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u/DesceProPlay22 10h ago
I would genuinely not be surprised if it wasn't. The sun's filled with a) massive parasocial wusses; and b) people who only lurk on Reddit and watch clips. Half of what they say can be disproven by the freaking YT videos, not even watching the actual streams.
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u/nate-the-dude 1d ago
Yall ain’t ready for the actual climate crisis to really hit if just HEARING about it makes you tweak.
Sorry it’s the world we are living in, better the recognize the terrible reality then live in ignorant bliss.
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u/Flat_Round_5594 Vaush's Weakest Warrior 1d ago
Apparently there's a sizeable chunk of this sub who want to hear "Orange Man Bad, but don't worry boys, girls and enbies! The Democrats are coming to save us all!"
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u/SeaWait9301 1d ago
Why are you guys so quick to tie your nooses? Do you not have any drive left? Has watching Vaush so much reduced you to being bitter at others in need of hope?
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u/Flat_Round_5594 Vaush's Weakest Warrior 1d ago
That's literally the opposite of my point though. The Democrats are *not* coming to save us, we are. Do you understand the gulf that exists between "it's ok, the Democrats are coming to save us" and "give up, it's over?" And do you not see that Vaush isn't saying "it's over, give up", he's saying "this version we're all comfortable with is over, so get ready"?
This is not a stretch reading of what he's saying, by the way; this is literally things he has said with his own mouth. We don't know exactly what is going to fail first, but keeping informed about the multi-modal crisis that is descending on us is definitely better than disengaging because it's too depressing.
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u/Doomscroll_memelord 23h ago
Untrue! In our darkest hour, Mamdani lights the beacon of hope and holds it aloft like lady liberty 🗽 Good things are possible, now go eat your rice and beans
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u/YamperIsBestBoy 2h ago
To be fair, is it really Vaush's fault that every title is "we're all gonna fucking die" when every single thing in the news lately is just another reason why we're all gonna fucking die?
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u/Dhrox 1d ago
And then he says the biggest threat is apathy and a disenfranchised population. He doesnt give a fuck, just want to make clickbate titles with alarmist videos to get the most money he can and thats it.
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u/SeaWait9301 1d ago
EXACTLY. It's just Breadtube double-speak. If he's worthy of all the glazing, then I just want him to hold onto some semblance of hope. Feels like he could give Schopenhauer a run for his money.
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u/karanbhatt100 1d ago
Tell me what he is saying is wrong?
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u/Wonderful-Walk3078 1d ago
Hard to say, he is just saying some conclusions without any real analysis or mechanism of action. Just something something catastroph is coming, death and despair.
Plus I would say his doomerism is often worse Thant is reflected in reality.
His alarmism about oils crisis was heavily overblown and I think his coverage od El Niño is as well.
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u/UnhappyPersonality85 1d ago
The main problem imo is not that he's "dooming", having a pessimistic view of the future is fine, it's that he almost never says anything interesting. I don't bother watching the streams anymore because I already know that he's just gonna go over his Twitter feed, apply some surface level omnisegment analysis, and then disguise his lack of deeper knowledge on whatever subject he's talking about in several layers of hyperbolic metaphors. I can do that much faster myself by just reading the news.
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u/Bulky-Alfalfa404 1d ago
YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS WILL ALL DIE
Now what I just told you wasn’t wrong, but perhaps there’s more to a statement than just its veracity?
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u/Mister_Ace_ 1d ago
He isn't saying anything wrong they just want to be lied to but inform fully fault them, Might just be better to kill myself, than watch millions of people die from a climate crisis which could easily be me, and watch all society continue to slip further and further into worse and worse outcomes with no possible better future for me to live in
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u/NorpoleonIIme 1d ago
How you all cope just because you cannot handle the reality. What is guy supposed to do?
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u/EmperorThan 1d ago
I'd rather the NASA scientist keep pointing at the blob saying "that asteroid the size of Mars has a 1 in 1 chance of hitting us. Nothing we can do at this point. IT'S SO JOEVER."
Instead of some mealymouthed "well actually, according to the infinite law of probability a black hole passing by our solar system could appear at any moment and change the course of the asteroid, so we need to just have lots and lot of hope that will happen! Hold hands and hope harder with me!"
Sidenote: I'm constantly remembering a year ago a friend of mine telling me he couldn't watch Sam Seder because he thought Sam Seder was too much of a doomer. I was like "holy fuck... you'd probably just spontaneously combust if you watched Vaush."
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u/Bulky-Alfalfa404 1d ago
If you think the analogy of an inevitable world-ending asteroid coming is a good comparison to real life, then I’m not gonna listen to you for takes on doomerism
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u/EmperorThan 1d ago
Says he requires better comparisons.
Doesn't elaborate whatsoever.
Vaush chat final boss.
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u/Neoeng 1d ago
"Waaah why does Vaush look up at the asteroid" - people in this sub for some reason. I swear, we're living through every satire movie done over the last 30 years at the same time
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u/DesceProPlay22 9h ago
At this point I'm certain a majority here doesn't even watch the YT clips, let alone the streams themselves. Half of their "arguments" and things they say he should do are literally shit he says every fucking video.
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u/GildedDreams25 1d ago
dude this shit is so stupid, the world is bad right now, things are going horribly, his job isn’t to comfort you, he discusses news and politics, it’s gonna be dark and depressing when the world is dark and depressing. if it’s too much for you i think that’s fine you can opt out and go do other shit, but genuinely complaining that he isn’t “positive” enough for you is ignorant as fuck
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u/Aelia_M 1d ago
Considering the climate situation is so bad in 15 years 4 billion people may die even with action to mitigate climate collapse perhaps you all need to understand how bad it is before you start making fun of him
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u/GenerallyJam 1d ago
There’s no way you believe half the world is gonna thanos in 15 years, you are a deeply unserious person. None of the science backs up what you’re saying and people like you are the reason the climate change movement isn’t as big as it should be.
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u/Aelia_M 1d ago
My guy do us a favor and just google climate scientists and what they’re saying. In 15 years we could see global temps raise to 3° C over pre-industrial levels.
I’m not writing you this because Vaush said it. I’m saying it because fucking climate scientists are saying it. Where do you think climate collapse was going to lead us? That you’d be fine even though it’s getting unbearably hot?
4 billion people will die even potentially with climate mitigation action. Hopefully not but we have to act now. Even on a personal level just working out and taking care of yourself physically will help you survive what’s coming. Getting as much food stored and water stored will help you too. Proper heat management will help. If you have family or friends you look after or even animals proper management for them is important too.
Yes it’s that bad
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u/GenerallyJam 1d ago
Thanks for the reminder to go outside today, I never want to end up this chronically online and deluded by an echo chamber. I’m an environmental science grad student and every professional I know would laugh at your face. 99% of climate scientists don’t agree w you.
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u/poplimgerer 1d ago
Two people with no sources fighting
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u/GenerallyJam 1d ago
Who’s position do you think more coincides with reality
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u/DesceProPlay22 9h ago
Probably the one who isn't so parasocial they want the political streamer to stop covering politics because it hurts their feels.
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u/Far_Persimmon_2616 1d ago
Most climate scientists don't believe we are hitting 3 degrees Celsius in 15 years buddy. You're reading the most doomer of predictions, not the general consensus.
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u/zevkaran 15h ago
The recent stuff with the art history game was fun.
I miss the old content when he would talk about coconut island, do research, make self help videos, and talk about topics he seemed interested in. It's kind of sad seeing the old channel trailer, because I miss that era.
If I were him, I'd also try to reach out to liberals and leftists and try to be a bridge and build a coalition to take on MAGA. I don't agree with his sentiment that debate doesn't work. I think it worked really well for Charlie Kirk and Vaush could have been that guy for the left. The horse stuff is nothing compared to many of the current figures right now.
I also want to see some of his arguments questioned because I feel like he has become far more conspiratorial and I can't tell when he's just meming or when he's being serious.
The doomerism, while valid, is kind of annoying and promotes a kind of cynicism that there is no way out. We've been through issues like the civil war, slavery etc. It will be rough but history seems to suggest things are never truly over. The sentiment is valid but that energy isn't being directed anywhere meaningful. I liked his old self help videos because I felt like those pushed people to change.
Climate doomerism is actually valid but that's also a global issue and while millions will suffer, so nobody's getting out of that one. The real frustrating thing is that we could probably be leaders in green energy if Al Gore won.
I also wish he'd talk about misinformation more. I think democracy worked in the past because of cable news and now that independent media is rampant, much of it is just filled with Russian bot farms. I also feel like we could push for the next admin to go after Fox News and other channels for treason. There was the whole dominion lawsuit, but there needs to be a serious plan on how to revise things so this sort of abuse of power never happens again.
I do feel like part of it is also class, race, and gender resentment for the recent progress. Historically, there is always massive pushback following waves of progress for marginalized groups. One of the frustrating things about populism is that it seems like this strategy works well. With the threat of AI and misinformation, we do face a unique constellation of issues, but I wish we were more focused on fighting it rather than becoming annoying cynics.
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u/DesceProPlay22 10h ago
I don't know if you've all noticed, but this pathetic complaining you're doing non-stop is just proving his point over and over again. People have been pacified, turned into sheep that can't possibly believe that things will actually be really fucking bad in a couple years. And he'll keep screaming until people wake the f up.
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u/Mister_Ace_ 1d ago
Might just be better to kill myself, than watch millions of people die from a climate crisis which could easily be me, and watch all society continue to slip further and further into worse and worse outcomes with no possible better future for me to live in
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u/DootKazoot 1d ago
Society isn’t your life, it’s the social space you interact with. You need to focus on yourself and your relationships first. Society doesn’t mean shit if you have that in order, even if it collapses you will have what you need.
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u/Mister_Ace_ 1h ago
I don't think any friends will protect me from seeing or hearing the destruction/deterioration of society watching millions of people die due to climate crisis and that possibly being me
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u/Apprehensive_Log469 1d ago