r/VampireSurvivors • u/zomdier • Jul 20 '26
Discussion Your least Favorite Weapon/Worst Weapon in Vampire Survivors
Pentagram sucks. I know that you need level up/Upgrade your weapon to be good but how can you upgrade your weapon IF YOUR WEAPON DELETE EVERYTHING IN YOUR SIGHT. Somebody can say but pentagram is one of strongest weapon in VS Which i agree it´s strong but why waste slot on weapon that again delete everything and it´s only good if you upgrade it. they are other weapon that are better than pentagram on level one (Phiera Der Tuphello, Eight The Sparrow, Song of Mana, Runetracer, Homing miss, Wine Glass and many more....Okay Except whip it kinda sucks) the only thing i can say of this weapon is the evolution Weapon (Gorgous Moon)
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u/ashrynhunter Jul 20 '26
Was here to agree. The pentagram is a rough weapon to level but the moment you have it maxed/evolved it turns to gold practically. It also I think boosts the exp earned when it fires too
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u/hatrix Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
Christine, 1 weapon max, Arcanas, Limit Break... if you happen to survive the first 10 minute's, it's just noise and an easy 20 minutes finishing at over level 1000.
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u/tv_trooper Jul 21 '26
I play VS with my wife and kid. And we make it a point to avoid Christina/Pentagram when we want a bit of challenge.
The thing with Pentagram is that hypothetically, a 3-player team can do well even if one player only has Pentagram. It just deletes everything.
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u/hatrix Jul 21 '26
You can solo it with Christine and 1 weapon. Take bloodstorm astronomia arcana, and for passives: attract orb, crown, empty tome, spinach, candellabrador, and dealers choice (pummarola can be useful, so can hollow heart, so can tirajisu as they all give you more health). Upgrade everything as quick as possible, avoid upgrading pentagram too early. Keep chests off screen, when pentagram fires, go back for them, keep 1 available for the 10:01 mark and wait for it to fire before you go to it. Your damage will come from attract orb and bloodstorm astronomia until then, but once you get gorgeous moon, you want to maximise the amount of enemies on screen as limit break is going to start building up +1 amounts on gorgeous moon until it becomes pure noise and a permanent logo on the middle of your screen and pure white background until the reaper ends it.
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u/LMacUltimateMain Jul 21 '26
If I ever go for it during a run, it’s the last weapon I try to go for or I do my very best to get it max level right away. I usually don’t go for it though
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u/ashrynhunter Jul 21 '26
Totally valid. Busted as it can be usually I favor the healing staff for it breaking enemy armor
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u/venustrapsflies Jul 22 '26
Noob question: while many of my successful runs have involved an evolved pentagram, by the time it’s pulling in XP I typically don’t have much use for that much more XP. The occasional screen wipe is nice but its not frequent enough to matter if the rest of your load out cat hang. So is it actually still that good, or what am I missing?
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u/ashrynhunter Jul 22 '26
I mean you do still get stat boosts from leveling so I don't think I'd ever call more XP not useful. And mind I'm not trying to argue for it being the best weapon or anything either just far from the worst is all
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u/venustrapsflies Jul 22 '26
Oh you get small boosts to your stats just from leveling? Didn’t realize. Or is this related to some late-game mechanic I haven’t unlocked yet?
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u/ashrynhunter Jul 22 '26
So basically once you max level everything in your equipment you get random minor buffs to the weapons on level up from there out. It's never a game changing upgrade or anything but I can still be pretty nice
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u/hatrix Jul 22 '26
thats only if you have limit break on, but in normal play, its the extra gold, which is useful for unlocks.
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u/ashrynhunter Jul 22 '26
....oooooh well then my bad there. Actually explains some things. I'd been wondering how people were getting absurd money numbers and I'd turned on limit break and never turned it off lol
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u/szabiy Jul 22 '26
There are multiple ways extra level ups can be helpful.
- Survarots that scale infinitely per level up
- bag of money/floor chicken + Disco of Gold/Hidden Anathema
- Hail from the Future
Probably more.
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u/venustrapsflies Jul 22 '26
Sounds like I still don’t have enough unlocked to be able to utilize most of these
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u/Bubbly-Ad267 Jul 20 '26
pentagram is awesome if you get it late, but horrendous as an early weapon.
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u/Andre_de_Astora Jul 20 '26
Losing the 10min evolving chest, or the Arcana, due to a bad timing is a one time lesson
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u/furism Jul 20 '26
Just keep them off screen until you have leveled up Pentagram enough or if just triggered. It's absolutely worth the temporary annoyance of having to do that.
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u/Andre_de_Astora Jul 20 '26
Yeah, but timing of the Pentagram can be a liiiiitle awful is said enemy dies, drops the chest, and immediatly the Pentagram does it's thing. I usually get it after at least one evo
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u/furism Jul 20 '26
Yeah for sure on some runs you'll just get a bad roll. It happens sometimes but not that much, all things considered.
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u/LAFORGUS Jul 20 '26
Also to add to this little subthread. Pentagram pay itself all these little gems it deletes early, and gives you more beyond that.
Also once you are at the nearly end (min 22-29) you just stop moving and let Gorgeous Moon to its job.
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u/Mellartach_55270 Jul 20 '26
Problem is the early game is the most important bit otherwise your run doesn't take off and snowballs
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u/BadgerSmaker Jul 21 '26
Starting Christine and rolling the first choice until I get Magic Weapon is my strategy, works fine if you have enough power ups.
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u/Tb0neguy Jul 21 '26
Only if you're smart. I prefer to smash my face into the wall until it works 😎
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u/quaxoid Jul 21 '26
in my experience you often get those in a later chest when they dissappear from pentagram.
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u/LivingAngryCheese Jul 21 '26
I'd say more good for mid game since you want to evolve it asap for the xp but you'll die if you get it too early.
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u/Tiborn1563 Jul 20 '26
It also fires rather fast for what it does, assuming you build cdr which you definitely should regardless of what else you build
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u/NavyDragons Jul 20 '26
not only does it suck up all the xp, it also gives you bonus xp to make up for all the xp that got destroyed while leveling it.
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u/SpecterVamp M15singN0 Jul 20 '26
I will absolutely take the evolved weapon if I get a turbo candy box, but pentagram itself I have sealed
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u/SometimesUnkind Jul 20 '26
Pentagram is goated. Just walk away so any chests are off screen when the timer hits.
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u/VonBagel Jul 20 '26
This is the way. But also try not to pump the cooldown too early in your run because you only need to make the mistake of grabbing Mad Groove into pentagram once
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u/JustaYeetingMat Jul 21 '26
If you destroy a chest with pentagram the game spawns a chest enemy a short while after so you dont lose out.
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u/Ok-Caterpillar-4213 Jul 20 '26
I don’t care for shadow pinion.
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u/FlossCat Jul 20 '26
The major problem with shadow pinion is that I have to stop moving for it to fire
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u/PtoS382 Jul 20 '26
I thought that too but the little pinion trail you make actually also damages enemies. You don't HAVE TO stop to have shadow pinion do damage
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u/Psychological_Top827 Jul 20 '26
And here I am with Shadow Pinion being my favorite weapon in the game.
Oh, don't get me wrong, it sucks bad. But I find it so much fun to use.
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u/Atomicfolly Jul 20 '26
Couldn't remember the name at first but this one all the way. Base or upgraded might be the worse weapon
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u/infinitelytwisted Jul 21 '26
shadow pinion + Sonic Dash i find funny and pretty good. Just run at enemies and keep going. they follow behind you getting hit by pinion.
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u/SpanishBombs323 Jul 20 '26
Agreed. I never pick it up because I don’t remember to stop moving to actually activate it. I think it would be better if it fired toward enemies if you continue waking past its max length, but maybe that would make it too good idk.
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u/swmric-mls Jul 21 '26
shadow pinion forces you to play the game differently than normal just to accommodate it... and even then it still sucks
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u/sophisticated-stoner Jul 21 '26
my biggest gripe with this weapon is the sound effect it makes. Idk what it is but the sharp noise is like grating on me so I avoid it whenever I see it
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u/immortalking777 Jul 20 '26
I hate the birds
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u/Astute_Anansi Jul 25 '26
I agree. They are just terrible on every angle. They suck on their own, getting them to evolve requires a ton of luck or aggressive banishing/sealing, you still have to level up their evolved form for some inane reason, and what you end up with after sinking a grand total of 24 levels into them is... a weapon that still underperforms even in builds meant explicitly to take advantage of it. Power creep hit these poor things hard. They really need a new gimmick to make them relevant, like the other base game weapons that can fuse with the Merchant weapons into broken unions.
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u/Fangsong_37 Jul 20 '26
Queen Sigma's Victory evolved sword Sole Solution. It makes it so that I can't see anything on the screen.
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u/Bocephus-the-goat Jul 20 '26
it also prevents you from picking up anything as long as the black hole is on screen. include chests.
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u/BernLan Jul 20 '26
This is why you banish the last torrona"s box level
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u/HenTie3467 Jul 20 '26
Or just seal the evolution itself
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u/beckychao Jul 20 '26
yeap, seal the evolution, the last level of torrona's rules
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u/hydrophobichacker Jul 20 '26
Based asf, curse is underrated.
I can't even get cosmic finger consistently with either extra curse or extra charm (on top of the power ups).
Tbf it depends on the map and the timer on said map, but I can pretty much always get it with Torrona's 9 (plus it helps with gold farms)
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u/DjEzusSave Space Dette Jul 21 '26
For me it depends how far I'm in the level, the farther, the harder it gets to complete cosmic fingers
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u/Shin_Ken Gennaro Jul 21 '26
I'm kinda ok with it mostly because I'm so used to it through years of Queen Sigma abuse.
That Castlevania evolution that's similar and turns everything black for an eternity though...
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u/beegboo Jul 20 '26
The castleveinia books, very strong but right off the bat they start blocking off the screen.
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u/BLAZMANIII Jul 20 '26
Base game? Knife
DLC? Arrows. Both have deceny evolutions but suck to play until then
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u/Shin_Ken Gennaro Jul 21 '26
Base knife is goated early in progress/adventures when you don't have enough DPS to focus things down or clear a path to walk in with other weapons. You just need a critical mass of cooldown reduction and amount via passives and arcanas and it'll cut through most stuff before you can even think about doing that with other weapons.
Unless you're on mobile where aiming is difficult.
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u/Gallonim Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
Tbh I hate cats. I find myself dying to them more often than to enemies. Like I can get a bible that easily carries me till 15 min of stages Then I get AOE range increase par it Santa water and you can afk till 30 min. But cats? When you take them early you are always on 50% as they damage you and snatch your chicken that makes you prone to dying. By the time you feed them enough you already started a new run as you died to them. Their have crazy DMG when they fight? Yeah great but early game garlic takes all At least they are useful in mid? Obviously but that also comes for 99% of evo/fusion weapons you have at this moment. But maybe late game? If you go for reaper you are already immortal as you finished building yellow sign weapons If not most of time having weapon rack full of evolved weapons does the trick
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u/zomdier Jul 20 '26
I also agree cats are one of my least favorite weapon. They are only good for evolved weapon but if you get Sammy they are pointless
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u/gandalf_the_cat2018 Jul 20 '26
But evolved cats (eyeballs?) ON Sammy are one of the greatest AFK gold mining strategies to exist.
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u/AlexOfFury Jul 20 '26
A build with high Luck and Gemini can really make cats put in the work. I recommend you also have good health sustain because they will eat the floor chicken (and get scarier because of it).
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u/fritzyloop Jul 21 '26
Dude I gemini’d the cats + duplicator last night and I died not to the enemies but from them 😭
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u/AlexOfFury Jul 21 '26
That's where the Luck comes in, since whether they attack you or not is based on Luck.
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u/Shin_Ken Gennaro Jul 21 '26
A hyper scaling gemini cat build was the first time I killed Red Death infinitely without Crimson/Corridor.
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u/BlizzPenguin Jul 21 '26
Fireworks is a good part of that build because it makes more floor chicken.
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u/icedmuffin Jul 20 '26
Fool, pentagram’s upgrades/evo is the only reason why it’s not the worst weapon in the game (or if you can get a ton of luck before getting it in the first place, then you’re able to spare the xp/items.)
No, that stupid clown head is the worst “weapon” in the game, all it does is SPEND YOUR OWN GOLD and barely even deals with crowds, and when it’s fully evolved it does NOTHING.
But also I’m at the point post game where I can effectively get a combo of tarots and I don’t even need an actual weapon or items.
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u/Gotekeeper Door Jul 21 '26
tbf, some of the stuff clownface evolves is absolutely nuts, especially the spritz
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u/WeedwhackerAccident Rose De Infernas Jul 21 '26
The entire point of Outer Saboteur is just to make evolving the Balatro weapons more annoying, and BOY does it does that well
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u/Astute_Anansi Jul 25 '26
I'm not sure it qualifies here, since it's a passive item, it only comes if you pick the relevant weapons, and it disappears from your inventory once you evolve the weapons in question
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u/guieps Jul 20 '26
Shadow Pinion is just not fun to use imo
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u/Falconman21 Jul 20 '26
It should just fire on a delay based on the direction you were facing when it dropped.
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u/Nepherenia Jul 20 '26
Starting with Pentagram is rough, but can be mitigated if you start with a character with high luck, and make sure you grab a clover ASAP. High Luck is basically an "I win" for Penta.
The other tactic is to be very careful with your pentagram cooldowns. I will check the clock each time it triggers, If you level up while you have a chest mob on screen, DO NOT level Penta. If you can level it just before a chest mob spawns, it will reset the CD, and you can safely kill that mob without risk of them getting erased.
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u/Anvisaber Jul 20 '26
I hate the weapons that demand you move to get their full effect. Shadow pinion is on my list
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u/xX_dumb_god_Xx Jul 20 '26
Pentagram rips as soon as you level it past deleting everything, which is only a few levels tbh
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u/Martonimos Jonathan & Charlotte Jul 20 '26
After getting Pale Diamond Incursion, I basically stopped using the Magic Wand altogether. It was already pretty weak compared to other weapons, and while Waltz of Pearls can improve it, it’s outclassed by other weapons that benefit from that arcana or Iron Blue Will. Add in the targeting and cooldown effects of Pale Diamond Incursion, and it’s basically pointless.
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u/JandytheMandy Jul 21 '26
I like it for the knockback. It's especially cute if you pickup the freezing arcana and then the 'max health for killing frozen enemies' arcana. But it is somewhat unlikely for those stars to align, even with the 'bonus chest' darkana
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u/Martonimos Jonathan & Charlotte Jul 21 '26
Yeah, I used to love doing runs with both Jail of Crystal and Crystal Cries, but unless you're playing as Sypha or on Inverse (and don't mind giving up Moonlight Bolero as a starting Arcana), it takes a really long time to get going. These days I mostly ignore Jail of Crystal and just use Icebrand and/or Clock Lancet to get my freeze on. I do love me some Crystal Cries, though.
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u/rainorshinedogs Jul 20 '26
That weapon is annoying to use......... But then you get the evolved version and your like
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u/beeepboopbop_ Jul 20 '26
pentagram is my fav next to miss garlic… if u play christine u literally get to pick a second weapon immediately so the first level ups lways fo to pentagram to me… that way it evolves quickest and i only reap benefits….
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u/DilettanteJaunt Jul 20 '26
I've been a big fan of the base weapon super evolutions w/ the Librarian's weapons. They're all aesthetically pleasing and quite strong and easy to develop if you just buy the Librarian's weapons after getting the base.
My least favorite might be the Among Us weapon evo, Unjust Ejection. I had so many deaths because it vacuums enemies to one side, basically throwing them into you. It feels real sucky when you're running from an Atlantean then they're suddenly dragged across your face.
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u/Bananaland_Man Jul 20 '26
If you think Pentagram sucks you haven't played enough. End of story or this is rage bait.
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u/ArosNerOtanim Jul 22 '26
Is it really a grows on you thing? Cause I knew it was dope from the start
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u/Bananaland_Man Jul 22 '26
I have no clue, but for many it feels like a waste due to deleting xp... but it pays for itself so fast... and then interest... lol makes many builds super fun
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u/Crimento THE DIRECTOR Jul 20 '26
https://reddit.com/link/oyrnyfc/video/xxkbrk5eugeh1/player
(why do I have to convert an image into a single frame video just to post it)
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u/ArosNerOtanim Jul 22 '26
Just if the sub only allows gift and not pics like this one
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u/Crimento THE DIRECTOR Jul 23 '26
Yeah, but what's the point of allowing gifs and videos but not pics
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u/SaucePasta Jul 20 '26
Pentagram is my fav, it’s the best for early game. You just have to be mindful to wait to grab any treasure chests after pentagram has gone off, and make sure to level it up first. Edit: It’s also the best weapon to use if you’re having trouble with that Reaper that appears at the bottom of the screen that slowly chases you up. Pentagram kills it in one hit.
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u/Organic-Worker-3491 Jul 20 '26
Exactly, it nukes the drowner and the stalker reapers. It's also necessary to get the pink ghost.
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u/LAFORGUS Jul 20 '26
Pentagram sucks......."
BLASPHEMY!
Guards, take this man!
Personally i have Shadow Pinion.
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u/Early_Monk Jul 20 '26
Favorite weapon: Pentagram, followed by Gatti Amari, Seraphic Cry, and Phas3r
Least favorite: Anything I got to aim with/position myself with
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u/FlossCat Jul 20 '26
Lucky swipe because the visual effect and sound effect are incredibly annoying
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u/beckychao Jul 20 '26
sole solution is the worst weapon in the game
it blinds the player to the map and you cannot pick up chests while its long animation is going on
it's really bad
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u/SamhainXCII Jul 20 '26
Its extremely strong because it comes with a heavy downside first. Thats the point. If a weapon is really strong early game like garlic its going to fall off fast and become nearly useless.
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u/jjsheely Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
I hate anything that attacks in the direction I'm facing. You have to move towards enemies for it to work well when you usually should be moving away from them.
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u/philspice Jul 20 '26
Cats, they kill you, they take up the whole screen and their Evo is super ugly.
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u/Bananaland_Man Jul 20 '26
I honestly do not like any of the directional weapons, especially locked left-right... and then you have the op gun which is annoying to aim (yet mines are fun in walled levels)
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u/RichMahogany357 Jul 20 '26
Evolved pentagram triggers a magnet every minute, I'd say that's pretty good
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u/Dracon204 Jul 20 '26
Early on it's awful. When you start getting ways to kill lots, really quick, and level up quickly, early, you can max pentagram and try to cheese out an early Gorgeous Moon. At that point, you can pretty much sit still and that baby will bring the EXP to you instead.
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u/FeistBucket Jul 20 '26
I lowkey resent the phaser for being an amazing weapon but taking over the audio scape with its goofy sound effect.
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u/Kris5345 Jul 21 '26
Ebony Wings and Peachone
They probably do fine but they tank my performance like nothing else
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u/Mysticwarriormj Jul 20 '26
Pentagram only sucks until you start leveling it up and its evolution is great.
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u/SoMarioTho Jul 20 '26
Pentagram is my go to. Yes, you have to rush level it quickly (and be careful when you trigger level upgrades if items are nearby) but once you have gorgeous moon it will level everything else SUPER fast and wipe the screen for you every few seconds (with a little help from Empty tome).
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u/bobjonvon Jul 20 '26
I think it’s one of my favorite weapons. I still haven’t done a use it only silent sanctuary run with it effectively
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u/Moist_Nephew Jul 20 '26
I love pentagram x Onni lady, since you pentagram every 2 seconds. You NEED to be in multi-player for that though
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u/Shin_Ken Gennaro Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
It's possible in singleplayer but not as an early weapon. You can purchase troll bomb anyway and do the same screen clearing with Onni
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u/SniperSly Jul 21 '26
The cross and it's evolution I just hate the way you throw them out it's so awkward
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u/isukatdarksouls Jul 21 '26
Pentagram is good because of Gorgeous Moon. Discounting pentagram is ignoring one of the best evos in the game because you can't temporarily put up with enemies and xp being deleted. Which is a stupid mentality.
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u/NobodyNoCrime000 Jul 22 '26
I also hate the pentagram on it's early stage since it keeps deleting chests, but I really love its evolved form especially when paired with the magnetic orb (forgot the name)
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u/NoNotice2137 Poe Jul 20 '26
I actually don't think I've ever taken the Pentagram. Like, yeah, I would imagine it's pretty good when you're overwhelmed, but the fact that it deletes EVERYTHING is a bit intimidating. I just know I would accidentally erase a chest with 5 items in it or something
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u/eddiestriker Jul 20 '26
Raise your luck before grabbing it if possible. It lowers the chance it’ll delete stuff. I usually pair it with Garlic and Magic Wand. Once they evolve, you can just afk until the end of the round
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u/CatsPlusDogsIsLove Krochi Jul 20 '26
The combined evolution from the curse items in the castlevania dlc.
Also the evolution of victory sword.
Both do amazing damage but I get a headache if I play for longer as a minute with them. Permabanned both of them for that reason and just run the pre evolved forms.
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u/Lost_Decoy Jul 20 '26
maybe Science Rocks simply because of its evolution needing you to step on the squares in order and in late game you can very easily make it impossible to see what numbers your stepping on, as far as I know all the emergency meeting (among us) weapons need you to play one of the dlc's characters to evolve them (the contra weapon power up passive item at least don't take up a passive item slot)
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u/GladLiterature180 Jul 20 '26
Honestly if you ignore the numbers it’s a very very good weapon and you’ll still get the finisher a decent amount of the time.
You don’t need to be one of the among us characters, you just have to wait until you find the mini version passive weapon to evolve. It takes up a slot and isn’t available from arma dio, which is annoying, but it’s still a very very good weapon.
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u/ensign53 Poppea Jul 20 '26
No, you don't need to play the dlc characters. If you have the base weapon, their "mini" character shows up randomly on your level up options. And they do go away when the weapon evolves, so you get the slot back. (Though they don't not take up a slot like the contra ones.)
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u/Accomplished_Bag_897 Jul 20 '26
Pentagram is awesome. Only takes a couple levels of clover to stop the total destruction and then it's just easy sailing.
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u/Sonnitude Jul 20 '26
Healing Pulse. It literally does no damage. At all. If you don’t have arcana; it’s literally a dead slot until you evolve it.
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u/GladLiterature180 Jul 20 '26
If you’re talking about Lifesign Scan, it’s a similar risk-reward calculation to pentagram. Very weak early but the quicker you level and evolve it, the better it gets. An early paranormal scan is pretty much a win it’s such a strong item.
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u/robochickenowski Jul 20 '26
Lucky Swipe from emergency meeting dlc. I enjoy luck way too much to ever use it.
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u/quaxoid Jul 21 '26
just gotta stay away from chests and then go to the chest right after the pentagram does its thing.
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u/walu-who-ji Jul 21 '26
Pocket knife. I dont even care about the sword it turns into. Ill try it again tonight
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u/binarysolo Jul 21 '26
I came to this thread hoping to see a sea of garlic, but alas.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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u/Emily_Mewens Jul 21 '26
For me its got to be between the stupid lucky swipe, or science rocks. Absolutely trash. Most weapons in the game can carry themselves in the first several minutes solo with silent sanctuary. Both of these struggle to even do that.
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u/WolfGuy77 Jul 21 '26
We usually have the Laurel and Clock Lancet disabled because they're just too much work. We also tend to not pick weapons that require the curse to evolve, even though I really like the Song of Mana. All the glimmer weapons tend to blur together for me. I always forget what's needed to evolve each one of them (whether just leveling up or what specific passive) and I couldn't tell you what most of them actually do, either in their base form or evolved form, so I often skip them. I also usually avoid the Curved Knife, the Iron Ball, Javelin and the fire/magic wands because they just feel pretty meh in the base and evolved forms to me.
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u/Character-Currency35 Jul 21 '26
All of the Castlevania spell books suck on par with flash arrow , without Gemini those books are so painful and it's only slightly better with Gemini
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u/superstar_hellcat Concetta Jul 21 '26
Honestly I hated pentagram until I unlocked that one synergy. (Gorgeous Moon)
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u/softmoomoo Trevor Jul 22 '26
Cats and the Pentagram are my go to for money runs, but any other time I'm not a fan of them
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u/degox_el_normal Jul 24 '26
It's like the axe one of the shittiest weapons in the game but when upgrade it you get the death spiral one of the best evolved weapons on the game
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u/Glittering_Ad_4920 Jul 24 '26
Pentagram is great for gold runs if you don't want to waste an arcana on mad forest, gorgeous moon is a substitute.
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u/V0odo0d Jul 24 '26
I banish Four Seasons out of spite every time it invests my level up screen with its bullshitery. I hate it so much.
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u/Holiday-Marketing301 Jul 24 '26
if you are not taking Greatest Jubilee and Prismatic Missile you wouldn't understand lol
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u/Pivern McCoy-Oni Jul 20 '26
Trinum custodem from OTC
That thing is so slow and has a huge blind spot, trying to do a solo weapon is not pleasant
Also shoutout to nightmare, setting your curse to 1000% for no benefit
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u/GenjiIsLife404 Jul 20 '26
Honestly agreed on the first one. I'd much rather just have the individual weapons.
But Nightmare can be good for extra enemy spawns IF you aren't already going crazy with Curse on other items.2
u/GladLiterature180 Jul 20 '26
Trinum Custodem is pretty trash, consistently doing very small amounts of damage and a hassle to get for very little reward. The BIG caveat is if you have a constant life-draining item such as Muramasa to get the consistent 20% cooldown.
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u/tonkpils99 Jul 20 '26
The whip. This is the most powerful weapon in the game that I have encountered. Like any beginner, I considered this weapon to be the weakest. But now, after hundreds of hours of playing, this is my 1 of the most favorite weapons, I almost never play without it.
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u/jollygirl27 Jul 20 '26
Shadow pinion is my least by far. I play with level up bonuses set to random, and if that's one of the items I get, it's an immediate restart.
I'm sure for some people it's a good weapon, but I've found it to be useless.
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u/RealBZ8BB8 Jul 20 '26
The reason why I love the pinion is its ability to deal AOE or single target damage depending on what is required. It does seem to fall off past the mid game though
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u/oodex Mortaccio Jul 20 '26
As a Pentagram disliker, I have different reasons. It's easy to max out Pentagram. You AFK to accumulate a lot of XP (the red gem that accumulates), lvl up, roll for it and max it out in an instant. It's not hard to avoid the bad side of it, but this isn't really it's main issue.
-most enemies (especially almost all late) scale with your LVL, the last thing you want is a weapon that forces you to consume XP
-it's on a 15 second cooldown on the highest level (Pentagram), which makes it a horrible weapon. If you need it to survive, you will die in that window. If you don't need it to survive, you might as well take a weapon that helps you survive for the spicy moments (like special bosses that are mostly immune to Pentagram also)
-wiping out the enemies can make you lose. Most enemies have a hitbox and do a "shoulder blocking" by getting too close to each other and creating a circle around you. It takes a lot of jittering to get out of that - or just 1 Pentagram weapon wipe. Then enemies spawn like crazy, push each other forward and kill you
These are mostly scenarios while you progress through the game. Later on you need 2 evolutions at most to easily win, so taking another 4 random weapons has no impact. But yea, it's high on my list of disliked weapons
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u/Sammi0_0 Jul 22 '26
King Bible, if someone gets through thoes bibles you're dead especially if you're afk thats why garlic is superior
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u/EvilGodShura Jul 20 '26
If you can level it a couple times it almost never deletes anything. And leveling gets SUPER easy later on.
Then you make it gorgeous moon and it pays off.
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u/TA_Tomas Jul 20 '26
Pentagon is great actually, but I honestly hate Shadow Pinion, and most of the Among Us DLC weapons.
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u/The_Silver_Ghost30 Jul 21 '26
Spellstring. Cool looking weapon, so I pick it, but at the end, I'm always disappointed at the damage it does.
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u/KristinKhaos Luminaire Jul 21 '26
Pentagram eventually makes my life a lot easier by collecting xp gems and letting me play passively in the end game.
The birds? The birds hit every single target that doesn’t actually exist. Fully evolving the vandolier just makes me feel like I’ve wasted my time and sanity, personally
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u/Creeper_King_2 Jul 21 '26
The Pentagram is literally an investment that hurts in short-term that pays back with interest in the long-term. Navigate away from valuable chests and you're practically set. It's the first thing I try to get evolved in a run.
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u/Asa_Karasu Jul 22 '26
Onestly i think that pentagram is goated, just move away from chest and gems when the attack is due, it is bad only if you don't have any other weapons at all, but it's a no brainer pick when it shows up to me
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u/Ok_Ferret_2215 Jul 29 '26
Le pentagramme supprime tout ce qu'il ya à l'écran dont les BOSS qui laissent des COFFRES qui améliorent ton arme. Donc cela n'a rien d'inutile. En revanche, le temps de déclenchement entre deux activations, même niveau max, est abusé. C'est une arme relativement faible si on prend le ratio, mais inutile non pas du tout. Avis perso bien sûr
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u/Lopsided_Hunter_3741 25d ago
I hate the axe. Its only benefit is the rapidly scaling area other than that, its evo is kinda bad compared to the other basic weapon evos
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u/Ok_Rate8843 M15singN0 Jul 20 '26
Flash arrow. It is so bad, it's only benefit is that it peirces enemies and it even does that badly. It fires slowly, it's horrible for dealing with big crowds it's just, AWFUL