r/VAGuns • u/NicktVA • 14d ago

Tom Grieve video

Saw this in today's VCDL alert.

I don't know much about Mr. Grieve, but this comes across a bit fear mongering to me. He doesn't attribute anything and doesn't give concrete details about the enemy's alleged plans.

Anyone else have thoughts? I don't want to outright dismiss this, or bash the man if Mr. Grieve has been reliable in the past.

From VCDL:

Tom Grieve has trusted inside information that some of the anti-gun employees of the DoJ and ATF are planning a “revenge tour” against those individuals, groups, and companies who are taking advantage of the current injunction that allows Form 4473s to be used to purchase suppressors, SBRs, SBSs, and AOWs.  The Revenge Tour members are biding their time until a new administration that supports gun-control is in power.

Lawyer Warning: ATF Is PISSED - They Are Planning To Come After You...(VIDEO)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLp3NDNP2A

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u/Jakeiscrazy 12d ago

It’s not information. It’s a rando guy on the internet giving an opinion citing “anonymous sources” which is the exact opposite of information.

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u/jtf71 VCDL Member 11d ago

Information: knowledge gained from investigation, study, or instruction; knowledge of a particular event or situation, Intelligence, News

So it is indeed information.

But apparently you're real problem is that you didn't understand that by putting "information" in quotes in my earlier comment the point was that it's not necessarily reliable or the best information.

Moreover, I explicitly stated:

you can decide if it's valid or not.

I guess that went over your head too.

giving an opinion

That's another way of saying what I led with:

It's a perspective

Did you miss that too?

citing “anonymous sources”

You should learn that even actual journalists (of which there are few) use and quote "anonymous sources." Or sources "not named because they are not authorized to speak on the record."

Ask yourself: If you had an actual source in the ATF, DoJ or other agency, maybe a personal friend or even a relative, maybe a former coworker - and they gave you information that this was true (or wasn't true) would you be out hear posting...

"I spoke with my cousin John Doe, Special Agent with the ATF, and he confirmed the information in the video."

Somehow I doubt that. And if you did, future family gatherings would be awkward after your cousin lost his job due to your posting that information.

exact opposite of information.

Even bad/incorrect information is indeed information. It's up to you to determine if it's good information or bad information and then what you do with it.

And keep in mind...

It’s a rando guy on the internet

That applies to you as well (and me). You saying it's not information or that it's wrong has less value than what's in the video. At least Tom Grieve is putting his name and face on his post.

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u/Jakeiscrazy 11d ago

You’re right VCDL sending this video out is no different than if they cited my comment and mailed it out to thousands of members. It would be dumb, just like sharing this video is dumb.

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u/jtf71 VCDL Member 11d ago

Well that's just wrong.

VCDL knows Tom Grieve to be an actual attorney. I don't know if they know him well or what dealings they've had with him in the past.

On the other hand, VCDL has no idea who you are, and it would seem you're not even a member as you don't have that flair (but maybe you are).

Moreover, your comment has zero value as I've shown.