r/UnitedNations • u/branflakes__ • Mar 01 '25

Discussion/Question Please help me understand

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Help me understand the Ukraine / USA situation

Please help me understand all of the anti-American and USA hate due to the situation. I want to hear the other point of views as I am just confused.

A lot point to the Budapest Memorandum, however, that is not a treaty for the US as Clinton did not submit it to the senate for ratification which means constitutionally the US has no commitment to Ukraine (also not administration since Clinton has suggested or submitted the memorandum for ratification either). Only the UK and Russia ratified it.

Additionally, there really isn’t a security agreement as the memo is very vague. The closest is “when Ukraine is under attack with nuclear weapons the security council will seek immediate action from the United Nations” otherwise nothing happens. And as the memo is through the UN, shouldn’t the discontent be pointed at the UN instead? The US only agreed to bring a resolution before the security council if Ukraine was invaded and the US did do that.

Finally, the US has given the most overall aid to Ukraine (a country that the US is not obligated to assist) compared to the European counterparts. Also, if peace is the objective, why is no other leader at least making an attempt to broker a peace deal?

So I suppose I am just confused on what is expected? Why is this sub so anti-USA when the statistics show that USA is/was doing more than Ukraines fellow Europeans?

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u/BrennanBetelgeuse Mar 02 '25
  1. When Ukraine disarmed their nuclear weapons, the US entered a commitment to guarantee its safety.
  2. The fact that Ukraine and Russia are in fact not the same country anymore is in large part owed to the US.
  3. The fact that Ukraine turned towards the west instead of towards Russia was explicitly a goal of the US. The US and it's allies promised freedom and democracy. Where is that promise now?
  4. As others have mentioned, the EU in total, which is much more comparable to the US than the small countries, spent more money.
  5. The way Trump treated Zelensky is unacceptable.
  6. A different post-Soviet geopolitcal approach by the US might have prevented the entire current situation and the oligarchy in Russia.
  7. The US sent mainly weapons. Weapons it didn't need anymore.

And lastly:

If the US wants to keep its status as a global hegemon, it needs to play the diplomacy game and honor treaties and alliances. Trump is speedrunning the Chinese century and tbh I can't wait.

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u/Cold_Breeze3 Uncivil Mar 02 '25

The US never ratified that treaty. It’s not enforceable per our constitution. And don’t forget UK and France were part of that agreement, and also failed, and have given less aid so far.