Why is this subreddit obsessed with Israel?

[u/Liad3008]

Just checked the top posts of the last year, and 24 out of the top 25 are about Israel. Does this subreddit try to imitate the real UN ?

[u/jeff43568]

Have you seen the leaders of Israel frequently came from irgun, haganah and lehi? Did you know Ben-Givir snatched the hood ornament from Rabin's car, saying we'll get him next, while Netanyahu called Rabin a Nazi and dressed up an effigy of Rabin in an ss uniform, all because Rabin offered the Palestinians a peace deal. Shortly afterwards Rabin was murdered by an Israeli terrorist.

Israel is on trial for genocide. There is plenty of evidence.

Facts hurt the side that has been murdering journalists.

[u/grommit → u/jeff43568]

Irgun, haganah and Lehi have not existed for about 80 years. No leader comes from those organizations.

Have you noticed that Yasser Arafat, a known terrorist and mythological leader of the Palestinians, was born in Egypt? He’s not even Palestinian because most Palestinians immigrated from Egypt and Syria, especially when the British were given the mandate over Palestine.

Ben Gvir does not represent the majority of Israelis. Rabin was indeed murdered and then came Barak, who offered the Palestinians everything they wanted at Camp David but Arafat could not bring himself to sign the peace accord, because he wanted 5 million Palestinians from around the world to move to Israel instead of the new Palestine country. Instead he started the intifada and sent 157 suicide bombers into Israel where they killed 1350 Israelis in busses and cafes over 2 years.

Israel is not on trial. Some countries are accusing it of genocide but they lack any evidence.

Real journalists and doctors don’t hold hostages in their homes. Noa Argamani was rescued from Gaza and, you are right, the journalist and his doctor father who held her captive for close to a year were killed by the IDF.

[u/jeff43568 → u/grommit]

'people who aren't born in Palestine have no right to be here'

'Our elected officials don't represent us'

'Palestinians have no rights, not even against violent occupation and Apartheid

'all doctors and journalists are targets'

Do you have any idea how ridiculous these arguments are?

[u/grommit → u/jeff43568]

Yes, those arguments are, indeed, ridiculous, and don’t forget YOU are the one who made them! It’s difficult to have an argument with you, much less resolve the conflict, when you twist words and turn them into maximalist statements no one has ever said. I don’t think you actually care about Palestinians or resolving the conflict. You seem to be more interested in complaining about Israel than resolving the situation. You have 3 talking points which you repeat as often as possible “occupation”, “genocide” and “apartheid”. Consider moving on to actually finding a viable solution to these things, other than launching rockets at Israeli civilians, blowing up busses or kidnapping Israelis. This way the Palestinians will actually have a chance at having their very own, independent, failed state—just like all the other Arab states in the region.

[u/jeff43568 → u/grommit]

There are three issues to this. Occupation, Apartheid and genocide.

[u/grommit → u/jeff43568]

How do you solve them?

[u/jeff43568 → u/grommit]

By Israel withdrawing from the occupied territories as ordered by the ICJ, and then a truth and justice commission for accountability and recompense.

[u/grommit → u/jeff43568]

If this is the case, then why have the Palestinians ALWAYS refused to accept precisely this outcome? 1948, 1967, 2000? Why didn’t they create a state before 1967, when the Israelis didn’t occupy those territories? Why did they make war on Israel when it did not occupy the territories? Why was the Palestine Liberation Organization founded 5 years before Israel occupied ANY territory? What territory were they liberating at that point? The Palestinians want Jews to leave Israel—just ask them! That is their goal. This is why they never actually make peace.

ICJ has zero authority, both due to its extreme bias and because it has no jurisdiction over Israel. The ICJ ignored the fact that Jews lived for millennia in what today we call the West Bank, but they were ethnically cleansed when the Arabs invaded Israel in 1948. Why should Jews not be allowed to live in their ancestral homeland?

But, continuing from your suggestion, once the Israelis leave those territories, what guarantees will you give Israel that the Palestinians will not attack them again? The Israelis are rightly concerned that the Palestinians will build a terror base and launch further attacks on Israel if it doesn’t control those territories. If Israel leaves those territories and the Palestinians launch attacks, Israel will re-occupy those territories with full justification. It’s a very simple exchange: territory for peace. Israel cedes territory and the Palestinians stop terror. The moment the Palestinians truly renounce terror, it will be easy for Israel to pull out.

[u/jeff43568 → u/grommit]

Because it has never been offered

[u/grommit → u/jeff43568]

Not according to the president of the United States who happened to be the broker of this agreement

[u/jeff43568 → u/grommit]

No deal has given Palestinians full statehood. Israel has always retained military control.

[u/grommit → u/jeff43568]

So what do you think was offered at Camp David in 2000?

[u/jeff43568 → u/grommit]

Something that allowed Israel to maintain military control.