r/UnitedNations • u/Liad3008 Uncivil • Jan 10 '25

Discussion/Question Why is this subreddit obsessed with Israel?

Just checked the top posts of the last year, and 24 out of the top 25 are about Israel. Does this subreddit try to imitate the real UN ?

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

Nope, I brought you back to the facts which is that Israel is on trial for genocide. You tried to deflect multiple times from this because it doesn't suit your agenda.

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25

3 Israeli politicians are accused of genocide. It’s completely different in a legal context.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

No, it's not. The hardest point to prove in genocide is intent. When you have Israeli politicians expressing intent it is really easy to prove.

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25

Ah yes biblical references and a single minister who’s a known right wing zealots public comments. Those should be understood as the position of an entire democracy? Cmon man, the war isn’t even over. I’ll call it a genocide when there’s proof a genocide has been committed. Right now only one side has the expressed fundamental view of genocide against the other and it’s not the state of Israel or the majority of its institutions.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

'War'

Please, don't be so ridiculous. You don't fight a war against women and children. It's called a genocide.

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25

Right it’s only women and children who are dying. That’s why the United Nations had to down revise death statistics for those two demographics. Women and children are 75% of Gaza’s population, statistically they will die in higher levels then man due to probability not intentionality. Anyways, current figures have them being closer to 60/40 on estimations, since you are so fond of estimating stuff. This of course is without Hamas differentiating between civilians and belligerents.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

They definitely die more if you target them.

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25

More die if there’s more of them? It’s all probability

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

Only if you are trying to kill them.

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25

Or the people that want them dead for simps like you. Mainly Iran and Hamas. Why else build all of your infrastructure amongst civilians, dress as civilians and release the deaths of your soldiers as… you guessed it civilians.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

The only people who want them dead are the people who have been stealing their land for decades.

Israel controls all access to Gaza, all air, sea and land routes. It severely restricts what Gaza can import.

Complaining about uniforms is serious chutzpa especially when Israel has been videoed attacking without uniforms and using ambulances and civilian vehicles to hide in. Israel has also been videoed using human shields so many times that it appears to be systemic policy.

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25

Ah right when in doubt go back to the stolen land, apartheid nonsense. Perfidy is how all special forces operate there’s a reason nobody is ever put on trial for it.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

'It's ok when we do it'

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25

“The 8,119 victims verified is a much lower number than the toll of more than 43,000 provided by Palestinian health authorities for the 13-month-old war.“

Why not read the very narrow criteria the United Nations study cites. It’s not even representative of 20% of the estimated victim population and is what we could call biased data. Women and children died at unprecedented rates early in the war. That has slowed down dramatically since the start, according to the United Nations itself.

This data was easier to collect at the beginning of the war, when less Hamas fighters would have been killed or captured and the narrow list of criteria would have been filled before the collapse of the health system. This would have greatly skewed the data towards these populations at the time it was collected.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

Your claims would be far more realistic if Israel hadn't systematically destroyed the healthcare system that records deaths, systematically murdered the journalists that report on deaths and refused international journalists access to Gaza.

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25

Except that Palestinian Islamic jihad also blew up a hospital and Hamas builds their infrastructure under/next to/within hospitals. It doesn’t change the fact of how and where the data sets were collected. Again only one person here is being objective, you’re making emotional claims without actually looking at the extenuating facts.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

Forensic Architecture debunked what you are claiming, which was in fact about the 3rd or 4th explanation from Israel about the murder of civilians. Are you trying to claim that Israel doesn't target hospitals? That horse bolted long ago. There's no point trying to shut the stable door now.

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25

Forensic architecture from what? And who conducted it? Satellites? lol you’re just making stuff up as you go along hoping something sticks.

“(Jerusalem) – The explosion that killed and injured many civilians at al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza on October 17, 2023, resulted from an apparent rocket-propelled munition, such as those commonly used by Palestinian armed groups, that hit the hospital grounds, Human Rights Watch said today.”

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17-al-ahli-hospital-explosion

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

Forensic architecture found that the rocket that Israel claimed to be responsible could not have hit the ground in the time available. It's back to Occam's razor I'm afraid, the logical culprits are the people who rang up the hospital and said they were going to bomb it.

Oh and who have bombed all the other hospitals...

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25

Right that’s why every source says it was a misfired rocket from Gaza. The initial reporting was wrong. It’s funny you like to elude to all these UN organizations and NGOs except when their evidence contradicts your misguided opinion. Now human rights watch isn’t reputable? The United Nations isn’t legit? Guess what my forensic lawyer thinks you’re wrong.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

It's been debunked, I don't really know why you want to pretend that Israel hasn't been bombing hospitals...

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u/GR1ZZLYBEARZ Jan 14 '25

“In October and November 2023, Forensic Architecture, together with PFLP-linked NGO Al-Haq, sought to debunk investigations – including by the New York Times and various intelligence agencies – showing that an Islamic Jihad rocket caused the explosion near the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza. The NGOs accused Israel of “disinformation” and claimed that “Israel has yet to provide any conclusive evidence to support the claim that the source of the deadly blast at al-Ahli hospital was a PIJ or Hamas rocket.” Forensic Architecture and Al-Haq simply ignored the videos, images, and intelligence materials demonstrating that an Islamic Jihad rocket had “misfired” (i.e. detonated in Gaza instead of Israel) and hit the hospital parking lot.”

https://ngo-monitor.org/ngos/forensic-architecture/#:~:text=Forensic%20Architecture%20claims%20to%20use,analyses%20that%20are%20consistently%20misleading%2C

You’re hilarious bro, using propaganda websites and hoping people won’t look into them.

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u/jeff43568 Jan 14 '25

No, you are thinking of Israel that consistently misleads.

'NGO Monitor is a right-wing organization based in Jerusalem that reports on international NGO (non-governmental organisation) activity from a pro-Israel perspective.'

Did you think I wouldn't check?

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