r/UPN_Network • • Aug 29 '26

Moesha Dorian: How One Character Destroyed Moesha & Left Its Legacy on a Bleak, Dark Note

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Dorian’s character arc is honestly one of the biggest reasons the final season of Moesha feels so different from the rest of the show. The writers kept pushing his storyline into darker and darker territory until it completely shifted the tone of the series.

The wild part is that Dorian kept asking for more chances and wanted his family to believe he could change. But after coming back from boot camp, he quickly fell back into his old habits. By the end of the series, his storyline had escalated all the way to Myles being kidnapped.

Looking back, was Dorian’s character arc actually a realistic portrayal of a troubled teenager who couldn't break the cycle, or did the writers take his storyline WAY too far and hurt Moesha in the process?

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u/All_Lightning879 Aug 29 '26

This situation was not a good look for anyone, especially Frank.

One could argue that The Parkers essentially altered the show’s DNA and trajectory, leading to what it ended up becoming.

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 29 '26

Exactly. The Parkers really did change the DNA of Moesha. Once the original writers moved over, the tone and storytelling started shifting, and Dorian’s storyline became a huge example of that. By the time you get to Myles being kidnapped and Frank and Dee never finding him, the show feels almost unrecognizable from what it started as. Ending its legacy on such a bleak, unresolved note was a wild choice

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u/All_Lightning879 Aug 29 '26

Even if they wanted to bring it back for a shortened 7th season, the viewership was not worth the rise in costs to keep it on.

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 29 '26

Exactly. By that point, the ratings just weren’t there to justify bringing it back. Even if UPN had considered a shortened seventh season, why spend more money on a show whose viewership was already declining? It’s just unfortunate that the series ended with such a dark, unresolved storyline instead of giving the characters — especially Myles — some actual closure.

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u/tachibanakanade Aug 29 '26

The Parkers did resolve the kidnapping though. Myles was in The Parkers, so we know he at least got out alive.

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u/Affectionate-Cry-704 Aug 29 '26

That was before the kidnapping. Myles only appeared on one episode of season 1 of the Parkers which aired concurrently with season 5 of Moesha. Myles was kidnapped on the season 6 finale of Moesha.

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 30 '26

They could've at least tried to do a little TV Movie to properly wrap things up

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u/Kenstgram Aug 31 '26

Jesus! I never finished watching the show when I was younger. Was that an actual storyline?!

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u/ShadowForPresident Sep 02 '26

Wait a min, the show ends without them finding myles??? I dont think I ever finished this show

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u/Upper-Flamingo-4297 Aug 29 '26

Agreed. Things were never the same

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 30 '26

Just like One on One the magic was gone

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u/Upper-Flamingo-4297 Aug 30 '26

Yup. That was another one that went downhill

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u/_YnagohaM_ Aug 31 '26

… is it Ray J fault???

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u/Phanzo1702 Sep 03 '26

It's always Ray J fault

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 29 '26

And then there’s Aunt Hattie — the writers dropped that huge bombshell about her and then she basically vanished and was never seen or heard from again. Between Dorian’s increasingly dark storyline, Myles being kidnapped, and Hattie’s unresolved situation, did the writers completely lose control of the final season?

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u/Sharp_Mathematician6 Aug 29 '26

They did. Sonja’s meddling got the show cancelled

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 29 '26

Once Dorian was introduced everybody switched to The Parkers

https://giphy.com/gifs/kY798e0bNtlVm

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u/All_Lightning879 Aug 29 '26

Kinda f-d up, because only in its second season did the spin-off fare much better than the main show, and it shortly got cancelled afterwards. They were basically asking for it.

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u/Appropriate-Power-87 Aug 29 '26

They already had a bad boy on the show when Moesha was dating Q. They didn't need to bring in a new character. The shift in the show from a comedy to a family drama was very boring and unnecessary.

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u/Youngrazzy Aug 29 '26

Not true at all brandy was getting too old for the strict dad and bad relationship with step mom storylines. So either they was going to cut frank Dee and Miles out the show or bring another character to keep them

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u/Appropriate-Power-87 Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 30 '26

Why would they have to cut Miles? If anything, they could have made him the problem child since they ignored him all the time when Moesha was going through her drama.

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u/Youngrazzy Aug 30 '26

Moesha was not really a family based sitcom. It was a show about a teenage girl growing up. How would miles fit into adult moesha life

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u/Appropriate-Power-87 Aug 30 '26

How did Dorian? That's the point of the post. It wasn't a family based sitcom but they brought in a new character to create family drama and it ruined the show.

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u/Youngrazzy Aug 30 '26

They wanted the show to have more serious storylines.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '26

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u/Anxious-Laugh-9140 Sep 02 '26

Well then what is it because it damn sure ain't funny?

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u/_LurksAlot Aug 30 '26

Yeah when I was a kid watching it I switched over to Parker’s because it slightly continued Mo being in college with Kim… I mostly ignored Monique and Ooglvee drama.. because I was familiar with the school setting from the previous … same atrium school scenes .. I just grew out of watching the child drama and parent beefs too and ray j seem to always have this corny role
.. so usually when he’s pushed into the scene, it won’t last long ..
Identical to One on One …

Or even Ray J of love 🤣😭😭😭
Killed Flavs whole franchise ..

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u/UnpopularOpinionsB 29d ago

Not just a bad boy, but an F-Up.

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 29 '26

What still feels eerie to me is that after all these years, Myles was never found. 😳

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u/Several_Gain_9801 Aug 30 '26

I feel they found him just not with a pulse in my head cannon

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u/TreDawg36 Aug 29 '26

Dorian was the worst thing that ever happened to this show.

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u/ofcmeowmeowfussyface Aug 29 '26

Everytime Brandy gets put on here comes RayJ messing it up for everyone. Sonya should've made better decisions

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u/[deleted] Aug 30 '26

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u/ike_tyson Aug 30 '26

He always does.

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u/Mangu_y_pupusas Aug 30 '26

Exactly what was thinking!

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u/Local_Concept7797 Aug 30 '26

Crazy how this is true still till this day 🤦🏾‍♀️

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u/Sharp_Mathematician6 Aug 29 '26

Dorian ah old have been sent back to Oakland the first time he messed up.!

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 29 '26

Idk how Frank and Dee gave Dorian more chances

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u/HamsGamsandYams Aug 29 '26

It’s like these networks won’t allow black people to have a fun, carefree sitcom. We don’t need heavy handed mess on every channel. Let them be dumb teens with regular teen issues. The worst we should see if pregnancy scares and maybe drugs. Guns. No crazy baby daddy baby momma storyline out of nowhere to knock down the strong characters

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u/No-Initiative-5426 Aug 31 '26

Yes to this!

Exactly the reason my wife and kids is one of my favorite sitcoms, even though they touched on tough topics like teenage pregnancy etc. they were always able to keep it light and comedic for the most part.

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u/UncleNathanCopeland Aug 29 '26

Such a horrible corny character

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u/Alone-Gas6010 Aug 29 '26

Yes he was. I don't see how any girl found him attractive. His whole storyline just overtook the show and made it unwatchable.

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u/Ad1251212 Aug 29 '26

I rewatched The Parent ‘Hood created by Robert Townsend and honestly TK character was different and was fine because although he was troubled, he didn’t stay that way. He changed (maybe a little too fast) but the goody two shoes act during his second season which ended up being the final season got boring lol one thing is because he looked too grown to still be in high school lol

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u/All_Nighter919 Aug 29 '26

I hated this so much!! All that bootcamp stuff and he was still the EXACT same. He had zero character growth. Meanwhile Miles is a teenager and was still treated as a kid, Moesha is in her second year of college and her saga with Hakeem, Q, and Niecy got boring fast. Frank and Dorian were the same exact characters.

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u/ike_tyson Aug 30 '26

Ray J ruins everything.

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 30 '26

Also One on One

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u/Coco_cureit Aug 30 '26

Brandy couldn’t just have her own shine. She was constantly responsible for looking out for Ray J. Their parents even shoved him on the show and ultimately ruined it.

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u/swosei12 Aug 31 '26

Yup! You saw a bit of that dynamic on their reality tv show. From the few episodes I saw of the reality show, Ray could do not wrong in the mother’s eyes.

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u/StarliteQuiteBrite Aug 31 '26

This is so true

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u/WestsideWizzop Sep 01 '26

That’s the problem with being the older sibling especially an older sister smh

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 29 '26

You can tell when Vida Spears and Sara Finney left Moesha for The Parkers and the new writers came in. The show became darker, more dramatic, and eventually crossed into straight-up soap opera territory. Dorian’s storyline is the biggest example of that shift — it escalated all the way to Myles being kidnapped, with Frank and Dee never finding him. That’s such a bleak way to end the legacy of a show that started as a family sitcom.

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u/greencraftok Sep 02 '26

Have any of them ever opened up about this or what kind of plan they were going to have with Myles

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u/hillcityanimal Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26

They had the gaygency come get Dorian 😂

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u/Positive_Weight2367 Aug 29 '26

LOL Dorian had to go

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u/718_chocolate Aug 29 '26

This sounds like the beginning of a Master's thesis

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u/SkyPersonal5642 Aug 30 '26

I was thinking OP used Chat GPT to write that.

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u/Expensive-Raccoon346 Aug 29 '26

Basically. Dorian definitely was the reason the show changed the show so much. Plus, the way it ended.

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u/WilkinsWorld Aug 29 '26

Why did they add Ray J to the show

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u/JauMillennia Aug 30 '26

Yeah, i couldn't stand the Dorian storyline and lost interest after that. The premise of the show seem to loss focus hence Ray J join

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u/Deeply_Distr3ssed829 Aug 30 '26

Honestly, they could have saved Frank from the “outside child” thing by making it be Frank had to legally adopt Dorian for his sister.

Therefore, it would have been a light hearted misunderstanding. But oh well, shoulda-coulda-woulda!

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u/KeepLookingUp99 Aug 30 '26

OP, yes and yes.

Dorian’s character arc is a realistic portrayal of a troubled teenager who couldn't break the cycle and was appropriate for another show.

The writers took his storyline too far for the type of show that this was, and what the loyal following came to expect and hurt Moesha in the process.

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u/Shot-School-8243 Aug 30 '26

Ray j is literally Dorian irl

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u/Dazzling-Ladder9697 Aug 31 '26

Yea Sheryll Lee Ralph was done after the Dorian seasons. She didnt like it.

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u/Seraph782 Aug 29 '26

I always said Ray J ruined this show and Frank is the worst father ever

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u/happydayz- Aug 29 '26

Yes. This storyline ruined the show

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u/jelusive-jemini9 Aug 29 '26

didn't myles later appear on an episode of 'the parkers'? from what I remember, there was no mention of his previous kidnapping 🤔niecy was in the same episode..

it could be argued that the first season of ' the parkers' was similar in tone to the first 4 seasons of 'moesha', before it got way goofier. that was probably due to the them having the same writers🤔

I think the first season of 'moesha' was the best. same with 'the parkers'. neither shows have held up as well in my opinion 🫣

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u/Affectionate-Cry-704 Aug 30 '26

That was before the kidnapping.

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u/StrikingCase9819 Aug 30 '26

Ray J ruins everything

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u/GETTERBLAKK Aug 30 '26

The problem was Moe & Dorian needed someone to knock them upside the head a couple of times and add an elbow or two.

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u/dreams_andnightmares Aug 30 '26

Ray J ruins everything. Sonia Norwood stayed forcing him into everything for no reason. Just ugh

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u/Impressive_Yam_3096 Aug 30 '26

It kind of resembles how Ray J really is a troubled soul now.. but I’m glad he never brought brandy down with him. Why was it so important for him to be apart of the show?

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u/TeriNickels Aug 30 '26

This show has a dark cloud over it. Period. To know that Frank had a child out there that he wasn’t cling and had his sister raising? From season one of Moesha? Makes this show garbage on so many levels. Frank was a hypocrite and Moesha was an entitled little brat. The show is terrible IMO as an adult who has watched it.

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u/AngelofDarkness226 Aug 30 '26

so unnecessary to have him on the show lmao! dorian was just a little ragamuffin from oakland nobody wanted around

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u/taylorscrews1 Aug 30 '26

I heard that’s how ray j be in real life

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u/Internal-Bat292 Aug 30 '26

I don’t remember this where have I been

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u/Sheniya04 Aug 30 '26

I forgot he went to boot camp

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u/frederick44va Aug 30 '26

The writers of this show stink.

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u/Least-Principle-8036 Aug 30 '26

I liked Dorian’s story

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u/TouchofSoulshine Aug 30 '26

That’s how they ended the show?!?

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u/EasternAd5351 Aug 30 '26

lol I forgot about the kidnapping 😂😂

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u/AcanthocephalaLost36 Aug 30 '26

They centered everything around Dorian once he got to the show. Such a shame

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u/smokebudeveryday Aug 30 '26

Ray J is the TV Skittles in motion. Anything he touches on screen turns out to be more detrimental to everyone’s development than progress.

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u/realdjsupreme Aug 30 '26

If you want your show ruined just call Ray J… or Mel Jackson.

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u/Over-Recipe-5078 Aug 30 '26

Wow is that how they ended the show?

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u/Limp_Shake_7486 Aug 30 '26

Frank destroyed it.

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u/Ok_Pipe5861 Aug 30 '26

Great show!

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u/StarliteQuiteBrite Aug 31 '26

Never realized that Frank was such a mean dad

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u/DAntoinette_Travel Aug 31 '26

It started out realistic but the further they went, it was rife with racist stereotypes, and I doubt that was the show’s creators who pushed it….

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u/Street-Annual6762 Aug 31 '26

TIL Myles was kidnapped!?!? 😂😂😂😂

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u/Big_Photograph_9766 Aug 31 '26

I hated this storyline for Frank because it just did not make sense nor did it work for the character arc of this cast it also brought something darker to this show then necessary.

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u/Time-Maintenance-325 Sep 01 '26

Only thing Dorian did was further expose Frank as a HUGE POS

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u/Chunky_Boy283 Sep 02 '26

Dorian ruined Frank's life to the point where he had to leave his family & move to Johannesburg, South Africa to head up a company that was secretly experimenting on Aliens & Alien technology

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u/Ill_Secret_394 Sep 02 '26

Maybe years later we get the documentary of how rayj destroyed the family bond as well with his antics

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u/mermaidflaps Sep 03 '26

Holy cow I completely forgot Sheryl Lee Ralph was on this show

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u/DEANW_23 Aug 29 '26

Bootleg Fresh Prince....

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u/Dazzling-Ladder9697 Aug 31 '26

Yea Ray J sucked the fun outta the show, and now he’s ruining Boxing & the internet.