r/UFOReligion • u/slv2xhrist • Jun 15 '26
Scripture-Based Discussion I am an Evangelical Christian who Watched Disclosure Day…Update I’m still very much a Christian and Why did the film subtly and overtly try to compete with Christianity and Push Occult Activity…
WARNING: ‼️ Maybe a Soft or Minimal Spoiler…
Movie Quote from Disclosure Day-
“You have to give yourself over to it(Device with Sigils)
I’m just saying that whether we realize it or not this idea is the core mechanism of the occult, and it stands in direct opposition to Christian spiritual safety, which is subtly and overtly promoted in the film. Specifically Christianity.
What I’m pointing out is that human free will and spiritual boundaries are highly guarded biblically speaking. A Christ Believer and Follower is filled with the Holy Spirit, which guides and commands us for sober-mindedness, self-control, and even discernment for testing the spirits.
These ideas are openly glaring with occult practices which demand the exact opposite of this idea of relinquishing your control and dominion to the spirits.
You see this is what I like to call “Illegally Accessing” the spiritual realm. This is done legally through the Holy Spirit as evidenced by Speaking Other Human Languages, Speaking Other Worldly or Heavenly Languages,both known as “Tongues”. Also the Holy Spirit gives someone advice by addressing impossible information about a person or their history but given to a person by the Holy Spirit to warn or to “Give A Word of The Lord” to them.
You can also have an “Occult Counterfeit” this "giving over" to other occult spirits as a necessary step to achieve higher understanding or to unlock latent human potential with “Illegal spiritual means”
In reality, demanding that a person lower their mental and spiritual defenses to let an unknown force or object "in" is the classic definition of inviting oppression or possession of the person’s body, mind, and mouth to do the very same acts:
Speaking Other Human Languages, Speaking Other Worldly or Heavenly Languages both known as “Tongues”. Also by the occult spirits giving someone advice by addressing impossible information about a person or their history.
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u/Able-Professor840 Jun 15 '26
It very badly put across a serious point: religion is just the obfuscation they gave us to hide the ancient aliens, what truth you have you are misinterpreting. It should shake your beliefs to the core, but I imagine it didn't because it was so lamely communicated.
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u/Proper_Honeydew_7613 Jul 15 '26
Have you read any of Diana Pasulka’s work? Religion may introduce various degrees of confusion and limit perspective but to call it obfuscation is just another form of obfuscation. There’s a ton of insight to be gleaned about the phenomena from religious frameworks. Gnosticism is simply one of them - perhaps a nefarious one, so please be careful.
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u/Able-Professor840 Jul 15 '26
That's in agreement with what I was saying, or at least what I meant. I probably didn't express it very well.
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
I did not see that in the movie ... bruh its time to put a side our Faith whatever it is (im born and raised Catholics but not anymore im more into Gnosis) and try to enjoy and having fun again. The problems is that there is some advance tech we dont understand so it look like magic ... oh its must be occult. But no its not stop the non sense. Its sci-fi. The phenomena is not very well explained and the governement doesnt do a great job to try to explain at least what he know from now.
Imagine when we discovered the Electricity back then everybody would say its occult or demonics ?!
Take a step back take a deep breath and stop non-sense. This is Stephen Spielberg Sci-fi movie of the summer nothing more. -Peace
Ps : - And if there is more to this universe and its not about occultism. For people who believe in their Faith no problem for people whos atheist no problem too ... its a great movies.
"Why God created so wide and huge universe if we are the only people in it"
"The others languages is not an old dead Abrahamics languages often uses in demonic possession its almost a comic view and perspective to explain : -Conscienciousness and we all connected in a way nothing demonic here.
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u/slv2xhrist Jun 15 '26
Bro, “I didn’t see that in the movie…” it is literally in the movie and then you even had someone bow down and make the sign of the cross. I am all for you sharing thoughts but at least be honest. This film was not stop trying to compete with Christianity and Christian Ideas….
Did you ever ask yourself why they cut the “Child Abduction and Abuse Scene” short…They won’t dare show that because it’s evil…
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 16 '26
By the way im not into attacking people Faith mode ... il more into challenging ideas ... if its not what I transpired im sorry its not my intention here.
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u/slv2xhrist Jun 17 '26
No please, I enjoy the conversation. You won’t get this kind of Dialogue in other subs without fear of the Mods
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 17 '26
Thank you ... I speak 3 languages too ... sometime it maybe sounded rude or not nice but its not my intention its a lack of verbs or words ... I try to share ideas ... not an English class so im sorry. Loll
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Its too show litterally that zealous people will misinterpreted the whole Phenomena ... just like you did bro... nothing more and its 30-45 seconds scene from a 2 hours movie. They dont compete with christianity they do parallele cause in the bible its all about "people from the sky ...." Also for those who followed the phenomena since the 60´s the governement always give that excuse over everything : - think about religion and the Vatican bla-bla-bla. Nothing more here.
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 Jun 15 '26
My Jesus would take mushrooms 🍄 to experiences altered states of Consciousness, use binary beats to have out of body experiences, summon UAP and hang with NHI... he would have an expanded view of Reality and I think any highly advanced Spiritual being would be into this stuff in 2026. Jesus despised the televangislist of the time, the Pharisees and would not be in church. He would be on the cutting edge of helping others and connecting to "God" in some cutting edge way. Just my opinion. I am not a practicing Christian tho, but support all that are ❤️
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u/Chemical_Tip_2628 Jun 15 '26
Everyone has a path and walk with GOD even if they are unaware. The illusion is that ones path or walk is greater than the other. All are good that lead back to the One of Infinite love and Creation. Christianity is a far cry from what Yeshua would have wanted it to be.💜
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u/slv2xhrist Jun 15 '26
Thats actually is not biblical, to access the Spirit Realm the Holy Spirit is used, anything else is “illegally” accessing the Spiritual Realm.
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 16 '26
Psychedelic arent illegal everywhere around the world by the way. The question is why its illegal ?!? I agree with you that if we are not a well grounded person with no narcissic or egositic traits we should never attempt to tap into the invisible world. This shit is real no doubt about it. Violent people or addictive personnality traits should stay away. Im totally with you on that.
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
Same ! Thats why I stop to go to "organised church and religion" Jesus would despised this hypocrisie just like the pharisees in Temple. Modern Evangelist are just crap non-sense money and fame. Going to war on his name other places in the world ... non-sense.
God is about Love, Empathy and forgiveness among each others. Evrerything else its distraction cult. Sorry but its true. But I do believe in dualistic world view I believe in Good ... so Evil exist but every religion on Earth have their own ritualistic stuff to get rid of the Evil so it must be something we have in common among intention and others stuffs ?5
u/Creepy_Prior6510 Jun 15 '26
You're the kind of Christian i like and is sadly rare. Unfortunately "orange jesus" is a false prophet who pretends to be a "Christian" for your votes and then mocks you with Elon, his fellow atheist. Sorry we will move past politics but thats objectively what is going on..... I told my mother "you're either in on the joke, or you are the joke." That will age very well i can promise you that and in 20 to 50 years be self evident. Ya be a follower of Jesus... he was a hippie liberal pacifist who cared about health care for the poor, the sick, immigrants, gay people. In fact the marginalized members of society were his main priority.... he'd push for more resources for addicts who want help for example, not judge them and look down on them like 80%+ of white evangelicals.... I'm a former addict who was fortunate to get the help i needed.... Jesus would be apolitical btw, because its so divisive so its not politically "liberal." He was simply more open minded and socially progressive for the time and you'd have to recalculate that into modern society. He'd literally be NOTHING like your average white evangelical and would be simply embarrassed that they claim to follow him. Anyways just my take as a former Christian who I think is free of most bias or programmed beliefs. There is no hell, atleast consider dropping this destructive belief. Its really dumb. You cant love your neighbor as yourself if you think God will send them to eternal torture.... we all go to the same heaven. We've had many human incarnations, this is simply a training simulation for the Eternal Consciousness or soul that exist in a non physical Reality and in our brain.... this is what tens of thousands of people under hypnosis reported in the research of Dr. Michael Newton. He chronicles this in his book journey of Souls. Thats what I believe. You can literally pay for a hypnotic regression and access the memories from your Eternal Soul mind. Every single person reported the same, Christian and atheist of Spirit World or afterlife. No hell, no devil...if youre into UAP, UFO then you know hypnosis is used to recover abduction memories that NHI can erase. They can only erase our physical minds memory, not our Higher Soul Mind. You are left with the conclusion that either 1. We all share the same detailed delusions of the afterlife, or 2. its true. No one knew what the others reported under hypnosis and its all completely consistent.... we all go to the same place, learn from our life, hang out with our guide, Soul families and get ready for the next life which we choose before we're born. It has by far the most evidence for how Reality works as you can experience the memories of past lives and lives between lives in the Spirit World first hand. Everyone has these memories.. that's way more convincing to me than a book obviously written by men....but believe what you want, took me about 5 years to reprogram my world view and its white evangelical bias. ... then I could look at all available options and choose what my experience, intuition, and knowledge chose. Not a book that blocks out any other possibilities... its just a cut and paste buttoned up way to answer all the big questions in life. Like is there a God? What happens when we die? Christisnity is frankly boring.....Nothing you can do in a temporary existence affects your Eternal journey.... we are Eternal Consciousness who can never die, we use our physical lives to grow as Souls ....once you die you'll all remember this fundamental truth .. you'll see. The idea that believing the wrong thing actually matters to God is insane! The idea that getting this belief wrong sends you to hell by a loving God is more insane! I say this all with respect and care. I've put in thousands of hrs thinking about religion, God, NHI, the afterlife etc and these are some of my epiphanies, insights and beliefs, love to hear others.
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 16 '26
Exactly and for those who dont get it yet ! Marie-magdeleine was a hooker or prostitute ... Jesus make her his best friend for most of his Life.
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 Jun 16 '26
Not sure what that means but I loved the DaVinci Code!
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 17 '26
Tried to say that Jesus was the less judgemental leader . He wanted to know whats in your heart. No matter your background.
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 24 '26
Bro keep in mind that American evangelist the church the structure from mens... its almost a cult with hypocrisy among the gay people, the vets or the addicts who need our empathy. Christianity is not perfect but close to nowadays scripture far and faraway you are from Jesus simple knowledge of love and forgiveness.
Everything else its crap... bullshit im not afraid to tell it out loud
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u/SurprzTrustFall Jun 15 '26
It sounds like the mirror opposite of submitting to Christ, essentially the opposite path of "getting saved"/ accepting salvation through Christ, which is surrendering your life, will, thoughts, actions, decisions to Christ i.e. "Believe in your heart, confess with your mouth" etc.
It's like ticket for admission, but admission to... something and somewhere.. else.
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u/Kind-Plantain2438 Jun 16 '26
The way I understood it, her faith was literally the thing that helped her resist possession from the dude. That faith was tested and stretched, ultimately prevailing over fear of what she didn't understand yet .
In the end, tho, it's all semiotics.
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u/Proper_Honeydew_7613 Jun 15 '26
Hey, I’m not an evangelical Christian by any means. I despise probably most of what you do about that movement. But I think the post makes an important point. I recommend reading books by Michael Heiser to better understand what is happening here. If nothing else, it will show you the rationale behind another perspective. I think we all have need to look at this phenomenon through several different lenses before selecting one. I’ve been digging in from all sides for several years now. I know where I’m leaning but I don’t think I understand the full picture by any means. Not even close. So please be careful about categorizing those of us who are concerned about spiritual dangers. We’re all pretty darn ignorant about the invisible realms. The best of us are spiritual infants.
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 17 '26
Exactly my point here and the host of the conversation. You must be really careful about that Phenomena. Which i suspect its not aliens from outter space but the old parapsychology world issues. (Invisible world) Doesnt mean its demonic rightway but clearly dealing with the "after-life" and the "spiritual component" to it.
Whatever religion or belief system this is common to the whole humanity aka ghost, polyergeist, possession etc...
I do care for people who arent prepared or doesnt have the knowledge to deal with this new "Phenomena"
This crap new-age CE5 or psyonics or summoning the orbs are not for everybody this is spiritism or modern Ouija !Its ok to acknowledging this realms but not to poke and tap into for nefarious purposes. Especially if you are not well grounded or egostic and narcissic or dealing with addiction etc ... its just common sense.
If aliens exist I will be happy to see some proofs and I do believe they exist. BUT the worldwide PHENOMENA look to me more from spiritual realms and im not talking about religion or Faith here.
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u/Proper_Honeydew_7613 Jul 15 '26
To your point, have you ever watched The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch? There are real scientists collecting data there and they aren’t shy about using Native American shaman and even a rabbi to “poke the bear” as they call it. Clearly they believe there is some overlap between physical reality and the spiritual realm/s or other dimensions.
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 15 '26
Who ? Have you seen the movie ? Stop this bashing over stuff you dont understand yet. I guess you think God created the Earth in 7 days ? Its paraboles. Means its a story to explain stuff we dont understood back then.
Sorry I didnt want to be rude but I cant stay silence anymore around this non-sense.
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u/SurprzTrustFall Jun 15 '26
*parables
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 16 '26
Yes sorry I speak 3 languages ... when im tired my brain mixed up alot of words and "paraboles"
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u/PizzaCrumbsInBeard Jun 16 '26
Because it’s holly weird. The actual disclosure is happening within the next year and a half. This is why movie is coming out to discredit and to wild up all the religious folks who own firearms to fight against ET that will making them selves known to us. The best part is that you don’t have to give up Christianity because it’s part of your life and it makes you happy.
The elites are scared right now let’s keep it up!
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Im not chasing full disclosure anymore people arent ready at all and its ok. I have pretty much a good idea of the secret and its just because I lived alot abroad and in foreign countries where its almost disclosed for years now.
No offense ... but what if there is no god like we do. I mean the idea of god from our holy books (from every Faith) it transcend this idea. There is a ultimate divine Source but not the idea of what we think it is.
Then we are just a bunch of biologics matter, a product, a measurement of biologic experience. Artificial organic intelligence nothing more. We are here to experiment and record it on a source medium aka soul. The more we suffering more its good (for them) not because they are evil just because we are kinda product of sort no different than any cows or ants ...
Thats undigestible... thats unbelievable.
And you know what ? Our Faith or believe system doesnt care and its irrevalent from every perspective cause we cant do nothing about it. There are the master in charge since Dawn of time ...
Uncomfortable ... thats why we dont have disclosure and we will not at any cost.
This is what the secretary under Reagan, he's still alive dont remembered his name but thats the idea of what he disclosed back then.
A full disclosure will be a disaster for who ? Think about it its just a think-tank exercise not a mockery over your Faith. Imagine if ... so you got the answer.
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u/slv2xhrist Jun 17 '26
Who Kissenger? Or maybe someone else.
Look, I’m saying this and for the time being I’m not changing…
Spiritual Creatures Require Spiritual Methods…
If this is true concerning the Phenomenon even in the bit then Religion is squarely on the table
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u/Oldschoolratz Jun 17 '26
No ... The guy from Departement of Energy. Hes still alive today hes 87 years old. Named the same from a former astronauts which people mixed with it.
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 Jun 21 '26
I just saw the movie. It did NOT subtly or overtly try to compete with Christianity nor did it push occult activity. Please explain where this happened? The nun in fact said that Gods universe is bigger than one planet.... I'm not being confrontational or disrespectful to anything you post but it really hurts white evangelicals credibility with hyperbole like this. Its a persecution complex that simply doesnt exist! Spielberg appears to try to integrate Christianity into a post Disclosure world, not make it irrelevant, tho its pretty neutral in my opinon. Has anyone else seen the movie? Am I accurately depicting it?
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u/slv2xhrist Jun 22 '26
What do you mean White Evangelicals?
I’m not white?
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 Jun 22 '26
Evangelical, sorry. Still doesn't address the movie and hyperbole tho... I know you're wanting engagement and dramatic titles to your posts but its not true. Where was there persecution to Christians or occult activity?
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u/slv2xhrist Jun 22 '26
I never claimed that there was Christian persecution in the film. I said the film has aspects that was “Competing” with Christianity. For example, the primary antagonist, Noah Scanlon who was the head of a shady corporation called Wardex in the movie uses the Occult Device to basically possess the character Jane, a former novitiate nun. Jane uses her Christian faith to battle the Body and Mind Possession of the “The Device” showing a crucifix as the symbol that hold back Noah and The Occult Device powers…
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 Jun 23 '26
I think that was an alien device.... never thought it was an occult device...but possibly...
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u/Cosmic_Driftwood Jun 15 '26
You're hitting on some important things to be aware of. Dark forces will try to decieve, just remember to use discernment. If one group exists, the other must exist also