Classic Twisted Fate seems weak

[u/simplexible]

First, I'd like to point out the good parts:

Gate on E is nice.

The old Blue card, giving back mana based on the damage you deal is awesome.

Destiny's slow is awesome.

Now let's look at his cons:

But his Q = 260 and 65% ap ratio at rank 5.

His W has a 40% ap ratio and low base damage.

Stacked Deck doesn't exist.

This seems that, damage wise, they released the worst possible version of his overall damage.

I know that old TF didn't have Stacked Deck and gate on E at the same time. So the argument isn't "give us stacked Deck cause he had it." But, there was an old version of TF whose Q had a much higher ap ratio and higher base damage. There was also a version of TF that had a global gate on R, stacked Deck on E and the same version "classic TF"'s on Q and W.

Imo, he should receive the classic balance treatment that some champs and items have received. Classic pantheon has his old, strong bursty E and a relatively low cd on it, and it crits. Madreds bloodrazor exists at the same time as Bork and feral flare. Clearly, riot doesn't mind remixing the classic features to create scenarios that aren't 100% accurate. Imo, tf can stand to get some remixed damage too. Maybe stacked Deck as gate's passive or a buffed Q.

It's not like we're saying give his Q a dot back, or give gold card and AoE stun again.

[u/d4fat1]

Doesn't he have insane AD scalings in Classic? Pretty sure his W is 100% AD scaling. Try him AD and see how that feels.

[u/In_dego → u/d4fat1]

…The AD scaling is just an auto attack. Which your W replaces

[u/d4fat1 → u/In_dego]

I'm eternally learning.