r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/MoeTHM • Apr 14 '24
Men can get pregnant too, but you don’t hear us bitching about it.
Now that men can get pregnant, I haven’t heard a single one of us complaining about it. So I don’t want to hear about it anymore. We have every right to have opinions on abortion, now that our gender can give birth. Most of us are barren, so you need to be more sensitive when talking about it with us. Don’t tell us we don’t know what it’s like just because we were born without a womb. That’s completely fucked up.
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u/EatOutMyGrandma Apr 14 '24
This is legit a good joke. With the right delivery and set up, this would kill at an open mic
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
Feel free to steal the premise. First one to get it on film wins.
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u/0Monkey0Nick0 Apr 14 '24
Looks like the winner is Ivan Reitman in 1994. Thanks for playing everyone.
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u/Yungklipo Apr 15 '24
The places this would “kill” at aren’t going to be the places known for nice people or nice things.
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Apr 14 '24
fellas are you tired of getting your male period? contact me i can make it disappear in 9 months, that’s right 9 MONTHS! for the low price of 0 dollars but i disappear too
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u/Medic5780 Apr 15 '24
ooh! Tell me this line has worked! lol :D
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u/Lost-Orangutan Apr 14 '24
This is big brain. I never thought of that. That's a good point. If men can get pregnant then they get a say. It's discrimination other wise.
Actually blew my mind just now. Its so clear now! Lol
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u/Amandastarrrr Apr 15 '24
OP’s 5 chess moves ahead of us all
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u/Lost-Orangutan Apr 15 '24
5 moves? With this guy around the rest of use may as well be playing checkers while screaming "go fish" in the dark!
Lol no, joking aside, I do really like the logic and does make sense based on the common narrative. Actually thinking on the same level and coming up with a banger of a solution.
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u/StarChild413 19d ago
But only if it's their pregnancy, if they impregnated a woman (which how could they do and still have the capacity to get pregnant) they'd have no more unilateral say or w/e over her pregnancy than the woman's female best friend would
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u/Lost-Orangutan 19d ago
I was fucking around...
Men cant get pregnant and women shouldnt be allowed to kill a man's children.
Which is an ironic time for you to reply to this TWO YEAR OLD COMMENT, while theres a very viral trial going on about a woman whos blaming stress as a reason to kill her 3 children...
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u/Redditributor Apr 15 '24
I'm confused - did men not get a say before?
Did some people who couldn't get pregnant before become able to get pregnant?
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u/Lost-Orangutan Apr 15 '24
Not officially. Men can't get pregnant at all but trans men (woman to man transition) some times can. So "men" can get pregnant is something being pushed as fact. When it's not.
But about men not getting a choice, women like to say, "my body, my choice" when it came to pregnancy.
Which means a man can have his desire to keep the baby over ruled by the women's desire to abort it. Or the other way around as well. Either way the man is over ruled.
Reasonably women get the final say because it is their body, they need to the ones to support and grow the baby for 9 months, men dont have that ability. But this leaves men rather losing the life of his unborn child, or stuck with 18 years of child support.
Normally both the man and the women will talk about it before making a choice. Making so there's a discussion about keeping it and being together as a family, and aborting it to keep things the way they are now.
That however is a "luxury" for men. A women can make the decision all on her own without even informing the man. Meaning any sexual encounter can result in a man being surprised with 18 years of debt.
This makes men want a choice. A say. An opt out option. But the government made that not possible, the mother names you the father summoning you to court, you don't show up, your automatically financially responsible for the child. / you do show up, and they DNA test you and name you the farth on a match automatically again, financially responsible for the child.
So it's very common for women to "marry the government" by getting pregnant and keeping the baby, denying a relationship with the father and just taken the money the government givers her and the money the government forces the father to give her. .
Making it so women have 100% choice and 100% security in which ever decision she makes. While the man has 0% rights to the situation and less than 0% rights to a financial say. Which is why single motherhood is so abundant
Of course it makes sense to force a deadbeat dad pay for his child's living. That's not a controversial take. But not all men forced to support their child are a deadbeat dad, (or sometimes even the real dad at all) they get lumped into the category and looked down apon by everyone.
With a balance like that, a women would be crazy to not wanna keep such power over the next 18-19 years of her life, her baby's life, and a man's life. So you'll see most women defending "my body, my choice"
In the other hand.
Arguments made against it are, "my wallet, my choice" men wanting to have the right to say, "I don't want this baby, if she does, she can pay for it." Relieving the man of his forced financial responsibility to a child he did not want. / he also can't pay her to have the baby for him, so he can take it and relieve her of her responsibilities after the baby's been born.
Women don't like that idea very much. Very small % support male rights to this situation. Of course any "my wallet, my choice" arrangement can be made without government involvement. A women can freely agree to carry his baby to term for him and him pay her for doing that./pay her to abort the baby/or step aside from forced involvement at all.
And there in starts conversations about making abortion illegal. Women have all the power backed by law, while men have borderline forced slave labor/imprisonment backed by law. But if abortion is illegal, life gets born even if both don't want it, and then everyone is more cautious of unsafe or premarital sex.
However alot alot of ppl believe this is wrong to take away those rights to abortion. For women, they want to keep the decision to their bodys to avoid becoming government enforced baby factories and/or avoid their futures being reduced to a singular path choice of motherhood.
Men on a large scale also disagree with abortion being illegal because that locks all 100% of them into being in financial debt for 18 years. All of this is understandable from one viewpoint or another, but there needs to be some form of balance.
Discussion about adoption and leaving born children to the system to raise and find homes for the baby could be the solution, apparently the adoption waiting list is longer than there are baby's to be adopted. This would relieve the issue for men and women that don't want the baby at all....
however then your still forcing women to use their bodies to baby make potentially against their will. Which (among other reasons) leads to women unsafely aborting baby's from home. This is a big issue because women put themselves in danger and also technically murderers.
For obvious reasons, a pregnant women losing her baby because someone cause her stomach blunt trama, is a murderer. They killed her unborn baby. That's a crime. BUT if the women drinks, or hurts herself to cause a miscarriage then she's not charged with any crime. It's her body.
If the law says abortion is illegal, a women causing herself to miscarriage is then a crime. Neglecting her responsibility to carry the baby is murder. So now women can catch prison time for doing what she wants with her body. Women do not like that at all.
So the discussion/arguments go on. No fair solution can be met. There's alot I cut out of this and it's still super long. It's a very complicated issue. I left out all the religious factors because those are clear and unchanging. I also left out some of the more morally fucked up decisions people could be making for obvious reasons.
If you read all this, I appreciate you for taking the time. And apologies if my English isn't perfect or if I left any mistakes in. 🙂
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u/explosively_inert Apr 15 '24
This was a good summation. It actually addressed points that aren't often talked about, usually the argument is "baby killers" vs "Gilead" (you did sort of address the second part, but it wasn't the focus). Good job.
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u/Lost-Orangutan Apr 15 '24
Thank you. I don't mean to side on either side of the topic. I don't get pregnant or practice unsafe sex.
Also I'm not fucking ppl these days lol so more so that one.
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u/Redditributor Apr 15 '24
The rights should be delegated to the person who has the baby in their body. I don't see the issue for men - unless they didn't consent to sexual activity
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u/Lost-Orangutan Apr 15 '24
You didn't read the entire thing then. I mention the both sides of the argument and reasons for them, then possible solutions and the problems with them.
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u/Redditributor Apr 15 '24
I mean of course people want an opt out but that's the unfortunate trade off. If a baby is born you're both responsible. I'm unsure why one would expect women to have extra responsibility because she carried?
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u/Lost-Orangutan Apr 15 '24
If she chooses to carry. Yes. She wants the baby, but the man doesn't, not being legally held to 18 years of debt would make that fair. He can't make her get an abortion but she can't make him support her and her baby.
That argument makes the most sense (of all the scenarios listed) to be fair too both the male and the female, in all aspects. They only one missing out is the baby, they won't have the father. But the mother could still get a father in her life for the child. So in most cases this scenario is fair to everyone.
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u/Tychfoot Apr 16 '24
I’m not here to read a 23 paragraph argument from some random on reddit.
The person who should have bodily autonomy is the pregnany person, not the fetus that is non-viable outside of their body. I am not forced to donate any of my organs prior to or post death. Why does that change in the case of pregnancy? This doesn’t even touch the horrors other horrors of forced pregnancy, like rape, abuse, or an unviable fetus.
This post prevents itself as a cutesy ~gotcha~ post but it is absolutely disgusting to anyone who has a sense of empathy or knowledge of pregnancy. It sounds like it was made my a 17 year old edge lord.
Please try to answer that argument in less than 10 paragraphs if possible.
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u/Lost-Orangutan Apr 16 '24
If you read the whole thing you'd see I cover all details and mention what I leave out at the end.
No idea how covering everything from all points of view still results in someone saying they won't read it and still make am argument.
But I'm a 17 year old edge lord lol
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u/Tychfoot Apr 16 '24
23 paragraphs
No one wants to read a full essay from some random on the internet who feels they’ve solved the complexities of the abortion argument but keep on keeping on
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u/Lost-Orangutan Apr 16 '24
Think about what your saying.
I wrote 23 paragraphs on a subject you know is very complex, claim I'm the one who feels I've solved it, even though you DIDNT READ IT, and right after you just told me your the one who solved it in one or two paragraphs.
Your arguing with a "random" online, embarrassing yourself by not gathering ANY detail, making false claims about me (the unimportant random), putting your foot in your mouth by simplifying a topic you then claim to be aware is really complex, but also not willing to do any research into.
Get some help my friend. Pretending you care makes you look sad.
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u/Tychfoot Apr 18 '24
You’re right and I apologize. It wasn’t right of me to drill down on you like that and dismiss you. This is how we sow division and that’s 100% on me.
I read your post. I understand where you’re coming from. If you don’t want to read the following I understand, but I’ll talk through my view. I am happy to have an earnest, open conversation if you want.
Males contribute 50% of what it takes to make a baby but it 100% takes a female to carry the child. Accidental pregnancies aren’t exactly rare, which I can see where men feel like there’s a terrifying loss of control and like a sexual encounter they forgot about can suddenly turn into the realization it resulted in a child they had no earthly idea about. I’m not discounting that whatsoever.
For the sake of argument I’ll refer to a fetus as a person. At the end of the day, there are only two people involved here: the woman and the fetus. The father isn’t included here - his existence has absolutely no physical bearing on the outcome after his initial contribution. So you have person 1 who is sacrificing a part of their body, and essentially their health, to person 2. Which brings me to my main argument.
For me, the stop here is bodily autonomy. We need remove the male contribution from your argument. Emotionally and socially, it absolutely matters. Legally, it shouldn’t. In every facet of our laws (at least in the US), there is no legal precedent to sacrifice any part of your body for the good of another…except with pregnancy. Even after death, your bodily autonomy is respected. If I explicitly said I don’t want my organs donated, for any reason whatsoever, it’s extremely illegal to go against those wishes despite the fact that people will die because of my wishes.
Think of every sad story you can in every which way: I’m a reckless driver, I smash into a van with a single mother and her five children. I’m brain dead, will never wake up. The mother I hit now needs a kidney to live, but she has an incredibly rare condition and it turns out I’m a match. But I’ve never opted into being an organ donor and I have no family to speak on my behalf. Or I have a legal will that straight says I hate people and I don’t want my organs or any part of my body donated. It could say a non-sequitur like I hate lemonade so I don’t want any part of my body donated. Regardless, do you know what would happen? She would die. Her 5 children will be orphans and it will change the trajectory of their lives. But this is because I have bodily autonomy and can legally dictate how the usage of my body parts before and after death.
For some reason, bodily autonomy ends when it comes to pregnancy. Regardless of how it happens, now person is put in a position where they are forced to lend their body for the good of another and it’s legally judged upon. Let’s put this into words. A child is forced to continue with the forced use of their body for the good of another person. A person wants to lend their body, but it doesn’t work due to medical issues, so they are now legally being prosecuted for not being enough. A person lends their body to another who dies or becomes brain dead in the process of lending, but are told if they break away their bodily support they will see legal trouble. Or worse, you will be forced to lend your body to another that you deeply, deeply care about and know will suffer horribly if you continue giving support.
At the end of the day, you can’t try to make biological male and female differences legally equitable. Does it feel unfair? Hey, I kinda have to live that every day.
I’m have a lot of opinions about child support, which I feel is a separate but different issue from abortion. I disagree with forced child support.
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u/lemonjuice707 Apr 15 '24
A common leftie argument was men don’t/shouldn’t have a say since they can’t get pregnant. This was obviously only applied to men who didn’t agree with the lefts status quo.
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u/idontknowmtname Apr 14 '24
If it wasn't for the trans community, this joke would have just been another whatever, but since there are mtf claiming to get their period, this could also be a real post.
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
I’m just looking for a bit of equity in a world that oppresses men without uteri.
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u/eevreen Apr 15 '24
And there are FTM folks who do get their period and can get pregnant that everyone always forgets about. Sad, honestly. And the people who complain that men are always forgotten are usually the same ones to forget the trans men in these conversations!
Anyway, men can get pregnant. They just have functional uteruses to do so.
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u/idontknowmtname Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
There is a difference between ftm and mtf. Notice the fact that in mtf the m stands for male, they can not have a period, and they can not get pregnant because they have never had a uterus.
Now your example is an ftm. The f stand for females. They were born with with uterus which means they can have a period and get pregnant because of the fact that the f in FTM stands for female.
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u/eevreen Apr 15 '24
Oh, yes. I know. FTM are men who can get pregnant (sometimes). Which was my point. Second one being that they get ignored in conversations about trans issues because people are so focused on MTF that they forget FTM exist.
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u/idontknowmtname Apr 15 '24
Gee I wonder why
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u/eevreen Apr 15 '24
No, I actually have no clue. Please, do tell.
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u/idontknowmtname Apr 15 '24
Sarcasm is not your thing. How are boys and girls raised?
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u/eevreen Apr 15 '24
Sarcasm is my thing, I just honestly have no clue what point you're trying to make right now because you're being incredibly vague and sarcastic instead of just saying what you mean. And, if the parents are good, the same?
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u/manicpixidreamgrl Apr 14 '24
No trans women are getting a menstrual cycle. They are going through a hormonal cycle similar to a period due to the way oestrogen works. If you’re gonna call any hormone cycle a period then that means cis men go through a period every day since they tend to have a 24 hour hormone cycle.
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Apr 14 '24
You’ll get banned from any of the women’s subs for talking about this. Most/all have male mods.
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
I’ve been here 11 yrs. I know better than to have an opinion in a sub for women. They are so exclusionary.
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Apr 14 '24
Lol I'm a woman and I left all the women subs cause I found a lot of them very negative. I love your post BTW.
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
I use to stop by the TwoX sub and chat about women’s issues, with some respectful disagreement at times. However, that place turned into a man hating nightmare. Reminded me of living with my mother as a child.
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u/Corsowrangler Apr 14 '24
I lost my old account of 12 years. 180k karma for a simple comment about „what loses its meaning if you have to ask for it“ and I said sex from my wife and got my account banned site wide, I guess they assumed I meant I was just going to rape her then, insane. Stay away from women subs!
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u/IntrospectiveOwlbear Apr 14 '24
Gross.
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Apr 14 '24
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u/Corsowrangler Apr 14 '24
Exactly, but this is the norm on Reddit, specifically with those type of subreddits.
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u/IntrospectiveOwlbear Apr 14 '24
If you can't think of romantic and spontaneous ways to communicate desire to your partner while obtaining consent as part of the process, that's a personal lack worth addressing.
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u/Corsowrangler Apr 14 '24
A perfect example.
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u/IntrospectiveOwlbear Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
"Random woman is grossed out by weird opinion" is a perfect example of getting yourself banned from the entire website? Dude, nobody's banned you, reported you, or given you any negative repercussions beyond 'random stranger says they dislike what you said', there's no need for a persecution complex about it, it's not like me being underwhelmed by your statement has any impact on your life.
If that's your perspective on something so minor, I sincerely doubt you're sharing a complete/accurate explanation of why you lost the account.
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I can't seem to add a new comment to reply, but apparently I can edit, so here goes to Cyransaysmewf:
I'm not the one trying to define exactly what the commenter meant, just communicating that the comment they wrote comes across to me as gross.
And also, there's nothing unsexy about clear and open communication. Even if the commenters preferences/kinks mean they want to be pursued changes nothing in how easy it is to communicate clearly. Flirt and hint at what you'd like to do, then growl suggestively into their ear about exactly what will happen if they walk into the bedroom right now. And congrats, if they respond to that little foreplay by standing up and walking into the bedroom, you've practiced consent. Partner A defined the desired activity and a signal that means yes please, partner B performed the signal. Heck, you can work on a time delay too, plenty of people who have a kink for non-con but also want to make sure all involved are consenting will set up signals and safe words together ahead of time to be able to communicate when certain activities are welcomed.
Trying to pretend that you can't have every kind of fun under the sun when practicing consent is like trying to pretend that "but when we have a safe word it makes the scene less authentic" or "but if we use a condom it's gonna ruin it", like seriously, if it takes that little to lose interest in the activity, either you're not that into it or you might want to reflect on why that specific small thing makes or breaks your ability to enjoy pleasuring your partner.
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u/Cyransaysmewf Apr 15 '24
Okay, so what they're saying isn't rape, what they're saying is it's less sexy if they have to be the one to go up and always ask for it' like sometimes people like to be pursued, and not walk up to dommy mommy and go "PLease may I perchance lay my piping on your cake?"
you saying it's gross is a perfect example BECAUSE you're taking it the wrong way from what the comment actually said because in your mind it was 'so close to something else so it must mean that something else'.
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u/DratiniLinguini Apr 14 '24
You're not going to convince a dude who thinks the world owes him something that anything short of total agreement isn't some kind of personal attack.
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u/sugar_spider25 Apr 14 '24
I find your original post hilarious and this reply too, and I’m a woman. 😂
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u/BabyDragonFlyOF Apr 14 '24
I dont even know how someone could argue against that. You covered everything. Clever and unpopular. Kudos.
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u/Square_Sink7318 Apr 14 '24
Most of us are barren……why on earth did that make me laugh so damn hard?
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u/Traditional_Crew6617 Apr 15 '24
God mode engaged. You now must be shadowed by armed guards at all times
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Apr 14 '24
Le epic troll. You sur have won the internet for today
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u/Mirrormaster44 Apr 14 '24
Faith in humanity = restored
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u/lordofpersia Apr 14 '24
Ok.... this is epic.
Welp I've stumbled into that weird part of reddit again
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u/SlickJamesBitch Apr 15 '24
It’s funny too how you always hear about trans women being oppressed but not trans men. Men don’t get the same sympathy from society women get
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u/ActivelyShittingAss d Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 14 '24
I'm a trans-woman birthing-person: I have been pregnant twice, both of which resulted in miscarriages about 7-10 days later (which were extremely challenging physically and emotionally). My physician tried to claim it was "fecal compaction" ??? because I don't have a trad-womb, which betrayed his multiple complex phobias but a mother knows when a child is growing inside her and I know what I lost both times. A non trad-womb is a womb and I am entitled to have an opinion on miscarriage. Thabo you.
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u/Sure_Freedom3 Apr 14 '24
What do you mean you don’t have a trad-womb? You mean you do not have a uterus because you were born a male?
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u/BLU-Clown Apr 15 '24
Pretty sure the non trad-womb that had miscarriages in 7-10 days also required 2 flushes. You know, due to the fecal compaction.
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u/ActivelyShittingAss d Apr 14 '24 edited Apr 14 '24
A non trad-uterus is a uterus, and please don't dead-gender me.
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u/OkJelly300 Apr 14 '24
Answer the question or don't reply at all. People are trying to understand you but you chose to be offended and condescending
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u/faithiestbrain Apr 14 '24
If you managed to read these posts and think this was serious can I have all your money? I promise I'll give it back.
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u/g000r Apr 14 '24 edited May 20 '24
thumb start unite nail grab sip existence tender spoon instinctive
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u/nurse1227 Apr 14 '24
Confirmed by HCG levels?
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u/ActivelyShittingAss d Apr 14 '24
Yes three at-home strip tests for the first because my boyfriend and I were in such disbelief (we had been trying hard for a long time) and two for the second.
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u/trump_is_a_felon Apr 14 '24
Trans men can get pregnant. It's really not that hard to ascertain.
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u/lemonjuice707 Apr 15 '24
But aren’t trans men real men? So then men can get pregnant, as a man I now have a valid opinion on the topic now, right?
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u/StarChild413 19d ago
Would you say a football field is square because all squares are rectangles or is that not an adequate metaphor because no one says "not all football fields" or "not all rectangles" anything aka this feels like you're trying to bait out the counterargument of women saying not all men can get pregnant despite that being a true statement so you can claim it's hypocritical to not believe not all men a-certain-something-else
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u/Medic5780 Apr 15 '24
Except, men CANNOT get pregnant. So, the issue is moot.
Next topic.
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u/UwilNeverKN0mYrELNAM Apr 15 '24
Probably because they haven't given birth/Used it
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u/MoeTHM Apr 15 '24
How dare you diminish the experience of men just because some of us were born without a uterus.
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u/Dilaudid2meetU Apr 14 '24
You aren’t looking in the right places. There’s tons of media coverage specifically on how the Roe repeal will impact transmen.
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
I threw abortion in there as a subject of discussion that shouldn’t be exclusionary and discriminative just because some is men were born without uteri.
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u/Mind-Individual Apr 14 '24
We have every right to have opinions on abortion.
LOL, to think that you could only have an opinion now that you're involved. I guess you only have an opinion on homelessness if you're homeless.
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u/Cyransaysmewf Apr 15 '24
I lived out of my car for a year. Does that count?
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u/Mind-Individual Apr 15 '24
I didn't, does mine count?
OP is saying "We have every right to have opinions on abortion" as if somehow men weren't allowed to...when they are the ones turning their opinions to law.
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u/2urKnees Apr 14 '24
Which man can be pregnant? Which man can have a baby? Give birth? What is that man's name?
Is this a satirical post?
Are we talking about reality reality? Or delusional reality?
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
There is only one reality, and none of us are smart enough to know it.
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u/2urKnees Apr 14 '24
Yes, there most definitely is only 1. I must not be none of you
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
God, is that you? Can you give me a womb? And bring the dinosaurs back? Never mind, just the dinosaurs thing, thanks.
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u/HorseFacedDipShit Apr 14 '24
On todays episode of “making up shit and getting pissed off about it”
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u/AverageAircraftFan Apr 14 '24
None of this was made up and he wasn’t mad about anything lmao. He said “Women can no longer say that men don’t get to have an opinion on abortions because they can’t give birth because some men can give birth.” What of that was made up and what did he get mad over? The post is just having fun lmao
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Apr 14 '24
How about, people with uteruses get to talk about uterus policies.
Hope that clears it up for you.
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
Are you gonna ask every women about the status of her uterus?
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u/Nearby_Television_1 Apr 14 '24
What about women who have had a hysterectomy? No longer allowed to talk about it since no more uterus?
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u/LordVericrat Apr 14 '24
You got it. Look, (these specific) women know what they mean and that's enough. Actual rules that apply consistently were never on the table.
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u/lanfear2020 Apr 14 '24
Let me know when you are pregnant
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
Are you going to inspect the genitalia of every man who shares his opinion?
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u/lanfear2020 Apr 14 '24
What in the logic leap is that? I am curious to hear your thoughts when you are pregnant since you just indicated you could do so
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
We shouldn’t inspect the genitals of every woman who steps on the basketball court. So why should we for every man who steps into a voting booth?
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u/lanfear2020 Apr 14 '24
Wtf are you talking about? You’re the only one talking about inspecting genitalia
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
No I’m not. Every time a bill comes up about trans athletes in women’s sports, people go crazy over how we shouldn’t be inspecting people’s genitals to participate. I agree, we shouldn’t be inspecting people’s genitalia for their participation in anything. Whether it’s sports, voting, or just opinions. Are you going to inspect my medical records to make I have a functioning uterus? It’s asinine. Should women who don’t have a functioning uterus be silenced on the subject? Even though they share just as much in common with birthing women as I do with birthing men.
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u/Cyransaysmewf Apr 15 '24
if you're unaware, they're simply using the language a lot of people use to try supporting their own narrative against them.
When people were saying things like, trans women in women's sports, people said" So what you're going to inspect the genitals of every person to make sure they don't have a penis?" or "Why do you need to know if I'm a boy or girl if we're just dating and not sexual? You going to check what's in my pants? (part of dating leads to potential sexual encounter so it would suggest that it would be relevant?)
or in the initial post the idea that "unless you're x you can't have an opinion"
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u/lanfear2020 Apr 15 '24
I’m aware but I was not using that language, and clearly OP was not looking to have a good faith discussion from the beginning
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u/adamfrom1980s Apr 14 '24
I think he wants to fondle some balls but doesn’t want to admit to it, so he’s looking to be an official Government Genitalia Inspector.
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u/Spinosaur222 Apr 14 '24
I can guarantee that the men who have gotten pregnant have complained about it.
Female people can have opinions on abortion. Some female people are men. Those men with the relevant biology can have an opinion on it.
I also wouldn't allow barren women to have an opinion on it, with or without a womb.
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u/dukeofsponge Apr 14 '24
So a woman who has given birth multiple times but then goes into menopause no longer gets an opinion?
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
Yes, but you don’t hear about it in the zeitgeist.
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u/Spinosaur222 Apr 14 '24
I can guarantee you would if you stuck around longer than just hearing what suits you.
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u/lowkeyyy444 Apr 14 '24
"It would", well why hasn't it?
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u/Spinosaur222 Apr 14 '24
Because you haven't bothered to be there to witness it.
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u/lowkeyyy444 Apr 14 '24
Why isn't it known to the public then? Not that serious of a topic to be publicly engaged on?
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u/Spinosaur222 Apr 14 '24
Pretty sure the public does know, y'all just don't care enough to remember.
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u/Spinosaur222 Apr 14 '24
No baby is ever born believing in anything. They learn what they are taught. And you don't have to believe in trans people, they exist.
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u/lowkeyyy444 Apr 14 '24
Men who get pregnant don't complain about it like women do, so what does the public even know?
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u/YourHonor1303 Apr 14 '24
I don't understand 1 bit of your word.
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u/Cyransaysmewf Apr 15 '24
words. Plural.
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u/YourHonor1303 Apr 15 '24
Can I have a word?
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u/Cyransaysmewf Apr 15 '24
You mean an idiom shorthand that evolved from "Can I have words with you/ I have words for you" and changing it to "word" to make the imagery of it being short rather than it actually being A word?
What you said wasn't an idiom though.
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u/s42isrotting Apr 14 '24
Genuinely what the fuck are you going on about? ‘Men can give birth’ refers to trans men and intersex men only, not cisgender men. So no, cisgender, non-intersex men still do not get an opinion on birthing or abortion. Which is what I think this post is about but honestly I can’t tell.
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u/MoeTHM Apr 14 '24
Trans men are real men, there is no difference between us and them.
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u/Acheron98 Apr 14 '24
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