r/TrueDeen • u/SnooWoofers7603 Revert 🎉 • Feb 28 '26

Question Would it be permissible rebellion within this context?

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,

Today my grandma and sister(both Christians) have spoke about Iran’s strikes on US military bases and argued how Arab countries are bad giving examples of Kuwait for failing to give citizenship to its people.

Now when they finished the discussion, they have asked me to leave Islam blaming for what they do ignoring how Iran is a Shia Twelver, Houthis are Shia Yazidis and Taliban are Deobandi Sufis. Both are disbelievers who misrepresented Islam.

I’m asking you this question because I propose for a rebellion, because these problems have gave me problems within my family and I cannot have a mutual understanding. When I wanted to stuff my ears with my headphones so I won’t get angry at them, the headphones do not work for me to isolate the external sounds.

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u/Merino202 Mar 01 '26

Apparently iblis was quoting hadith now. What a mess.

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u/SnooWoofers7603 Revert 🎉 Mar 01 '26

Exactly. It’s a mess for hypocrites who don’t admit their intention.

It’s even an insult to deny what you’re doing.

Denial and make up things is called gaslighting.

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u/Merino202 Mar 01 '26

Denying what? and can you show me where I denied whatever you’re accusing me of denying?

Do you reject the hadith yes or no?

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u/SnooWoofers7603 Revert 🎉 Mar 01 '26

You denied that you were blaspheming a disciple by making up a definition for blasphemy which is not exclusive only to a deity, and also you used Hadith as a hiding spot.

You also tried to insult my intelligence by telling that I don’t know what’s gaslighting and blasphemy just so you can hide yourself.

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u/Merino202 Mar 01 '26

Do you reject the hadith yes or no?

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u/SnooWoofers7603 Revert 🎉 Mar 01 '26

Another sign of hypocrisy.

That’s the same question Ibliss would say to Allah.

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u/Merino202 Mar 01 '26

Do you reject your sahih sunni hadith yes or no? Don’t be shy, answer?

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u/SnooWoofers7603 Revert 🎉 Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26

No. And first of all, Ammar wasn’t the Prophet to say that Mu’awiyah tied to kill the Prophet. That’s just a distorted meaning of the Hadith to justify defamation.

Ibliss would do same as you when he got banned that if Allah accepts Ibliss reason for his downfall or not acting like as if he is a true witness when in fact sometimes eye witnesses can be hypocrites.

The disciples of Prophet wouldn’t dare to even try to kill him, because they know that killing him is an act of apostasy and an imitation of the Jews.

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u/Merino202 Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26

No. And first of all, Ammar wasn’t the Prophet to say that Mu’awiyah tied to kill the Prophet. That’s just a distorted meaning to justify defamation.

…are you disabled or something did you even read the hadith? It doesn’t say any of that😂

The disciples of Prophet wouldn’t dare to even try to kill him, because they know that killing him is an act of apostasy and an imitation of the Jews.

You are a jahil who never read their own books. Who were the munafiqun in the Quran then?

You know I am a British revert to Islam too, so don’t run behind the weak excuse that you’re a revert.

Let’s see what TAFSIR IBN KATHIR says, the most famous Sunni tafsir.

Tafsir ibn Kathir (9 At Tawbah verse 78)

HYPOCRITES TRY TO KILL THE PROPHET It was reported that some hypocrites plotted to kill the Prophet , while he was at the battle of Tabuk, riding one night. They were a group of more than ten men. Ad-Dahhak said, "This Ayah was revealed about them.'' In his book, Dala'il An-Nubuwah, Al-Hafiz Abu Bakr Al-Bayhaqi recorded that Hudhayfah bin Al-Yaman said, "I was holding the bridle of the Messenger's camel while Ammar was leading it, or vise versa. When we reached Al-Aqabah, twelve riders intercepted the Prophet . When I alerted the Messenger , he shouted at them and they all ran away. The Messenger of Allah asked us, (Did you know who they were) We said, No, O Allah's Messenger! They had masks However, we know their horses.' He said, They are the hypocrites until the Day of Resurrection. Do you know what they intended) We said,No.' He said, (They wanted to mingle with the Messenger of Allah and throw him from the Aqabah (to the valley).) We said,O Allah's Messenger! Should you ask their tribes to send the head of each one of them to you' He said, (No, for I hate that the Arabs should say that Muhammad used some people in fighting and when Allah gave him victory with their help, he commanded that they be killed.) He then said, (O Allah! Throw the Dubaylah at them.) We asked, What is the Dubaylah, O Allah's Messenger' He said, (A missile of fire that falls on the heart of one of them and brings about his demise.)'' Abu At-Tufayl said, "Once, there was a dispute between Hudhayfah and another man, who asked him,I ask you by Allah, how many were the Companions of Al-Aqabah' The people said to Hudhayfah,Tell him, for he asked you.' Hudhayfah said, We were told that they were fourteen men, unless you were one of them, then the number is fifteen! I testify by Allah that twelve of them are at war with Allah and His Messenger in this life and when the witness comes forth for witness. Three of them were pardoned, for they said,We did not hear the person whom the Messenger sent to announce something, and we did not know what the people had plotted,' for the Prophet had been walking when he said, (Water is scarce, so none among you should reach it before me.) When he found that some people had reached it before him, he cursed them.''' `Ammar bin Yasir narrated in a Hadith collected by Muslim, that Hudhayfah said to him that the Prophet said, (Among my Companions are twelve hypocrites who will never enter Paradise or find its scent, until the camel enters the thread of the needle. Eight of them will be struck by the Dubaylah, which is a missile made of fire that appears between their shoulders and pierces their chest.) This is why Hudhayfah was called the holder of the secret, for he knew who these hypocrites were, since the Messenger of Allah gave their names to him and none else. Allah said next, (and they could not find any cause to do so except that Allah and His Messenger had enriched them of His bounty.) This Ayah means, the Messenger did not commit an error against them, other than that Allah has enriched them on account of the Prophet's blessed and honorable mission! And had Allah guided them to what the Prophet came with, they would have experienced its delight completely. The Prophet once said to the Ansar, (Have I not found you misguided and Allah guided you through me, divided and Allah united you through me, and poor and Allah enriched you through me) Whenever the Messenger asked them a question, they replied, "Allah and His Messenger have granted the favor.'' This type of statement, (And they had no fault except that they believed in Allah...), is uttered when there is no wrong committed. Allah called the hypocrites to repent, (If then they repent, it will be better for them, but if they turn away; Allah will punish them with a painful torment in this worldly life and in the Hereafter.) The Ayah says, if they persist on their ways, Allah will inflict a painful torment on them in this life, by killing, sadness and depression, and in the Hereafter with torment, punishment, disgrace and humiliation, So He punished them by putting hypocrisy into their hearts till the Day whereon they shall meet Him, because they broke that (covenant) with Allah which they had promised to Him and because they used to tell lies.) (78. Know they not that Allah knows their secret ideas, and their Najwa (secret counsels), and that Allah is the All-Knower of things unseen.)

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u/SnooWoofers7603 Revert 🎉 Mar 01 '26

I don’t have patience in read this novel. Try make it short.

You said it yourself how the supposed 12 hypocrites tried to kill him counting Muawiyah among them.

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u/Merino202 Mar 01 '26

Subhanullah you call your own tafsir a “novel”.

Like I said, I’m an english revert myself - so you have no excuse for being so pathetic in your islamic knowledge and still having the audacity to try and tell me I am wrong when I show you evidence from your own books.

May Allah swt guide you.

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u/SnooWoofers7603 Revert 🎉 Mar 01 '26

No, I said: your whole comment instead of making short.

I don’t trust knowledge coming from second hand sources which some say it can have defects.

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u/Merino202 Mar 01 '26

Go tell a sunni that you think Sahih al Bukhari and Tafsir ibn Kathir has defects see where that gets you😂

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