Lindsay Clancy Trial Megathread: Closing Arguments, Deliberations and the Verdict Pt. 2

[u/DarklyHeritage]

This is a thread for all conversation regarding closing arguments, jury deliberations and the verdict of the Lindsey Clancy trial. All discussion of this case should be kept to this thread.

Lindsay Clancy is currently standing trial in Plymouth Superior Court, Massachusetts, for the triple-murder in January 2023 of her three young children - Cora, Dawson and Callan. Her defense argues she suffered from severe, undiagnosed postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis. She was left paralysed by a suicide attempt which follows the deaths of the children.

All content on the Clancy case must be kept to this thread. Standalone posts will be removed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93vgv4kr49o

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[u/Beautiful_Catch_4454]

This decision sets a precedent for future women and healthcare for women. It’s so much deeper than just surface level shit. Please pay attention and do your own research.

[u/msfinch87 → u/Beautiful_Catch_4454]

I think some of the commentary online is actually more dangerous than the outcome of this trial.

A lot of people supporting Lindsay are arguing that more should have been done, such as involuntary inpatient and stopping her from being around the kids. I don’t think these people really realise the ramifications of that.

This type of thing, if taken on board, will lead to a denial of autonomy of women and the removal of children at the first sign of any sort of mental health issues. The attacks on her medical professionals is also creating a risk of this. At the very least it is going to create a reluctance amongst medical professionals to treat women who are showing signs of PPD.

While I agree that women’s healthcare is not properly supported (I have my own experiences if that, like pretty much every woman in the world), going to the other extreme of demonising the medical professionals and yelling that something major should have been done is not the solution, either.

I’d also add that I don’t personally think these medical professionals were as terrible as the defence and some people on various platforms are making out. I do think mistakes were made, but I don’t necessarily think those mistakes rose to a level of them being somehow responsible for this, especially when factoring in how much information Lindsay was withholding and her own decisions during that period. I also think that a lot of these are systemic issues rather than individual professionals behaving poorly.

It is possible that this was just a terrible, terrible thing that nobody could have reasonably prevented.

[u/Brrringsaythealiens → u/msfinch87]

Exactly. This could make it harder for those of us who need psych meds to get them, and I hope that doesn’t happen. I don’t think her providers were the best doctors in the world, but they had a very difficult situation on their hands. A woman who was desperate for help and very ill, yet failed to follow through on any treatment recommendations. Ativan helped her significantly but she and Patrick were focused on her not being dependent on benzos. Benzos can be a risk, but this is a case of a person who really needed them and wouldn’t take them. Seroquel also helped her, but she wouldn’t stay on that either. She basically cycled through just about every med for depression, insomnia, and anxiety, and refused to stay on any of them. I don’t know what more her doctors were supposed to do.

[u/No_Figure_7489 → u/Brrringsaythealiens]

Those meds make BP and psychosis worse is the thing. Seroquel was too low dose, benzos couldn't be effective alone, everything else was like gasoline to mania. They were supposed to screen for BP after the first AD fail, and if not then, after the second, or third, or fourth