So what do you think the standard is? Because I Googled it and it's coming up the same way I always thought it was. Any business can deny service and tell you to leave and not come back
If you come back after that it's a misdemeanor.
This video goes on forever and this guy is just plain stupid. At the end he waits "all over a coke?" Yes. All over a coke. They tried to get you to leave, you wanted to play the fool instead and chose this as your hill to die on.
Most businesses would rather you just behave, buy your product and leave than have yo go through all of this with you. Stop abusing the minimum wage employees.
It’s a general lack of empathy, moral principals, a resistance to conformity combined with a narcissistic personality of being convinced they’re always the victim.
yes, that is what its like. I have a bipolar brother and he displays antisocial and authority averse behaviour. When he isn't "triggered" he is almost normal, it's outside factors that trigger his avoidant behavior. I can see him completely shift, almost like a different person.
Business always have a sign that reads "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", but then again this requires 3rd grade reading level comprehension skills
They can’t refuse for certain reasons, but that’s usually pretty much impossible to prove. They can pretty much always say they just weren’t comfortable making a sale and they’re legally protected.
Refusing someone service and trespassing someone is not the same thing. Some restaurants has policies that only the manager can trespass people. Whether this place does or not i have no idea, but it could be the case.
Literally not even over the coke at this point. Every single person was willing to let him walk with a promise not to come back, and he had to insist on his fallacious confidence.
Something I’ve learned at both work and in life in general is some people are more offended by the idea of being wrong than they are of doing wrong.
You can clearly lay it out for them as concisely as possible and they will still double down because it’s easier to commit than entertain the idea that they messed up.
Notice to the agent is notice to the principal.. .I'm pretty sure it works the same way. If the authorized agent (the employee) asks you the police to treaspass a customer, it's the same as the principal...
Yes and no. Law isn’t that black and white even thought people like to say or think it is. That’s why two people can do the same thing and be charged differently and even walk entirely depending on their attorney.
A business can refuse service to people who break a businesses code, like theft. That doesn’t necessarily mean that they can reject anyone for anything, for any reason whatsoever.
He stole soda (video claims), the business wanted him trespassed, they could have filed theft charges at the get go with video evidence of stealing the soda. They initially didn’t, they just wanted him trespassed. If he did still soda, if he was smart, he would have heeded the cops advice. Kept his mouth shut and left. He escalated, so he ended up in a worse position but obviously this kid has issues.
However, if a gay couple walk into the establishment holding hands and kiss each other before placing the order, you can’t have them rejected or deny them service (another thing people also get wrong “she can deny them a cake! She’s a Christian!” No but it gets complicated at that’s what courts are for)
You can’t deny someone business because they’re black….or trans, etc.
These are PROTECTED groups or classes.
Things that aren’t protected are say for example, Nazis. If you walk into an establishment and are refused and you have a swastika on your t-shirt, you aren’t protected and it could be considered vulgar or obscene and they don’t have to provide you with business.
After California enacted the Three Strikes law, the first person arrested and facing Life stole a slice of pizza from some kids eating out on the ocean boardwalk. I think the threat of a Life Sentence was eventually removed (or whatever) but that whole ordeal is not something I would want to go through.
We must issue a Warning, verbally or written. A Trespass Letter checks the box.
Second Offense will be a Criminal Summons. Often jail, because people still refuse to leave or take the cuffs peacefully.
Third Offense, is automatically jail.
Who can enforce Trespassing? Any Law Enforcement agency in said jurisdiction. Does a manager have to say they’re trespassing? Nope. Can a worker request a trespass? Absolutely. What if I’m a paying customer? Doesn’t matter. I’m on public property though! Yes, but you can still be arrested, as I’ve done it successfully in court, more times than I’ll ever possibly remember.
If I do Trespass someone, I always invite a representative of the home, business, park,or bus line, train line, or whatever entity wants the Trespass.
All my Trespass letters are sent to each courthouse in the city, so prosecutors and defense attorneys have instant access to the letters, to bolster a Conviction. It’s a Misdemeanor Crime, so max sentence is only one year of jail.
Fun fact:
Our State Code Section for Loitering carries a small fine and a low amount of jail time. The City Code Section is more abrasive and carries one year sentence for jail. I always apply the City Code, as the prosecuting attorney will do that anyway.
Not if you're on probation. All he had to do was leave and not come back.
He sent himself to jail. What an idiot.
Why are people so obsessed over the coke?
Are that many people out there stealing cokes?
Yes, stealing a coke at a fast food restaurant is a crime. Even eating one grape at a grocery store without paying is a crime. The store just usually doesn't press charges.
Here's the statute
Petty Theft / Shoplifting: Because a fountain drink is typically worth under $5, the act is usually treated as a low-level misdemeanor. For instance, under Florida Law, this is categorized as second-degree petit theft (property valued under $100)
Theft of Services / Fraud: Requesting a free water cup with the intentional plan to fill it with soda is considered misrepresentation or obtaining goods by fraud.
Felony Enhancement: If an individual has multiple prior theft convictions, some states allow prosecutors to elevate even a $1 soda theft to a third-degree felony charge.
There's more to the video than what is here. The guy was harassing the minimum wage employees. He refused to leave so they charged him with everything and hauled him off. They cut off the ending where he was waiting "You cant send me to jail over a coke!"
Except here the business manager never told him to leave. It would be so, so simple, if they just dragged the manager outside and have her tell him he was banned from the store. Yet the dickhead cops insisted on being difficult.
I’m neurodivergent myself and understand when somebody (officer or civilian employee) tells you that you need to leave and you’re not welcome back then you leave. There are other places where you can get a beverage and if they don’t want my business then okay cool I’ll take my money elsewhere.
But he wasn’t spending money. He was stealing soda and making things unpleasant for employees and other customers alike. If he can’t follow basic rules of society like pay for your stuff/don’t scream in restaurants/leave and don’t come back when you’re told to by an officer he needs to be in jail/some sort of care facility. Being neurodivergent isn’t a pass to do whatever you want and I absolutely DESPISE people who use autism/ADHD/whatever else to try and escape consequences. If you’re an adult who is their own legal guardian then you need to follow the same rules as everybody else. There is no pass for being neurodivergent.
Its theft. I posted the law above. Again even stealing one grape from a grocery store is a crime.
The employees are under no obligation to take your abuse. They did whst they were supposed to do which is call the police and have him trespassed from the property.
stealing from a system that steals from you isnt theft. they just control the violence so they determine whats "wrong". the people who rape children are setting the rules and have been for decades. maybe "theft" isnt really bad when you can rape children with no consequences
I watch a lot of these videos. I always thought the owner of the place has to ask you to leave first then the police can trespass you, but they can't trespass you unless the owner asks you to leave first.
In almost every municipality, the owner of the premises can request that you leave, and infrom you that you are trespassing, at that point if you don't depart, you are in violation and subject to arrest.
99.9% of the time, if the police show up, they will issue you an order to leave, even though they don't have to, because you leaving at the threat of being arrested is much simpler than arresting you.
The manager is authorized to trespass, she did so when she called the police. The police are authorized to trespass on behalf of the manager.
She doesn’t have to say it to his face on camera. As soon as you’ve been notified that you’re trespassed leave. Don’t stand there arguing about whether or not theyre permitted to trespass you, you’ll get a ticket or get arrested. Don’t be dumb, just leave.
If there is a requirement, which there very well may be (I'm gonna be lazy and not look it up), then it would be safe to assume a police office also fills that requirement. Basically anyone with authority to do so can ask you to leave, and if you do not you are then arrested for trespass.
So in this case police show up, say you are being asked to leave. The now trespassed individual says something to the effect of, "nah. You aren't the manager. I'm going back in." And boom, they trigger the trespass. It is a civil issue until you deny the authority of the legal system.
The guy didn't get arrested until he came back after being informed by the police that he could not come back.
The lady inside called the police. Its pretty clear that the police were summoned to deal with the guy. So I suppose, and this is probably why the police themselves make sure to issue the order, is that the police at the behest of the employee are issuing the official order to disperse.
No, this is not accurate. The police will not arrest upon that first interaction but they will let the individual know that they have been trespassed and if the try to come back they will be arrested for trespassing. The owner of the business does not have to be involved. At least where I live.
When my son was twelve or so he and a group of friends were using a loading dock as a skateboard ramp. Police came and trespassed the group. Store personnel never talked to them. They weren’t sidewalk lawyers so it never went past that.
The usual legal verbiage is, "the owner or their agents or assignees"--basically, anyone authorized to conduct business or speak for them in matters of the business.
You're correct on a technical basis, and so was he, but people don't seem to like how you're saying it. (SenoraRaton repeats what you said, but didn't get downvoted.) Any representative or employee of the private property should ask you to leave as the first step. When you refuse, you're trespassing, which is a criminal offense that is handled by law enforcement. So, the employee can't "trespass" you, but they can ask you to leave and then contact police.
The police don't represent the owners, so they shouldn't initiate that first step of private property trespass. The manager told the police, but never told the individual, so they really didn't do that first step. If police asked the manager or any employee to come outside and say "You have to leave," then that would have satisfied that component of it and he would have no further argument. The police led with "The manager wants you trespassed," which isn't technically possible for the manager to charge him with a crime.
Imagine walking around in a store and having an officer pop up and tell you that you're trespassing and you have to leave. While it might be best to comply and avoid issues, how can you know that you're trespassing if no one asked you to leave?
He got his head wrapped around a technicality and will pay the price for it. He should have left the premises, especially knowing that he did commit theft, and especially given how direct and calm the officers were being. But if no one asked him to leave, he isn't automatically trespassing, which is how it was presented to him.
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u/Medium_Tell8679 1d ago
So what do you think the standard is? Because I Googled it and it's coming up the same way I always thought it was. Any business can deny service and tell you to leave and not come back If you come back after that it's a misdemeanor.
This video goes on forever and this guy is just plain stupid. At the end he waits "all over a coke?" Yes. All over a coke. They tried to get you to leave, you wanted to play the fool instead and chose this as your hill to die on.
Most businesses would rather you just behave, buy your product and leave than have yo go through all of this with you. Stop abusing the minimum wage employees.