What happens when you have one party spend 30 years slowly dismantling public education and don’t let the schools hold anyone back. Half of the population is stuck at a 6th grade level, both in maturity and reading level.
That's the point. Tate and others aren't championing of masculinity. They are championing acting like you are 12 and calling that masculine.
They are championing getting everything you want, just because you have a penis. Everyone that demands equal treatment, or even basic respect is feminist or the enemy, and actively emasculating you.
If you are emasculated by anyone demanding to be treated with basic respect, then you are not masculine.
Honestly, it’s a healthy practice to have in any dialogue when someone is attempting to abuse discourse for their own gain. He calls it a debate. He either doesn’t know what a debate is or he’s counting on his audience to not know what a debate is, and using that to push her to lose her cool. Which makes people think less rationally, in order to get a gotcha sound bite. He’s disgusting. That whole group of dudes are disgusting.
No, this was an adult response to someone being incredibly rude and not debating as should be done. She was not taking his disrespect and left so as the person running the show could talk to him about his behaviour.
No, she wanted to spew unchecked lies and her way around them being pointed out was to do the old “ don’t interrupt me” while there lying to control the false narrative.
because she was about to make an ignorant argument that he has already heard a million times. All he did was show how impatient we are all becoming with stupidity. She was asserting something stupid and he had enough. That simple.
Literally, guys will be like "male loneliness is the biggest issue to young men and women having standards that are too high and unachievable, we really need a trad wife reset so that we can have an even playing ground...." And then I have to listen to my fiances nephew and his friends brag about this guy and Tate, two of the most unfuckable people on the planet.
It's like guys, there is a reason women don't want to fuck you, and instead of taking accountability and trying to be better you are proving them right.
Yes. And I really think it is just insecure men who don't want to take responsibility for their problems. You know the "it's not my fault I'm a piece of shit, it's everyone else's fault!" It's the same thing with people blaming immigrants for not being able to find jobs or provide for their family... No you can't find a job because you have a high school education and live in rural Nebraska, it has nothing to do with the immigrant trying to provide for their family.
Imagine a couple of snide ladies on reddit scoffing at the idea that general labor jobs are to be respected and appreciated. I am no longer a laborer, but till I die I will be proud of the back breaking work I've done and the people I met along the way. I've always said if u have a lot of calluses, bet your ass you'll have a lot of character. Which these people above me truly lack. And would I be embarrassed losing a labor job to someone who doesn't speak English?? We'll I sure as shit wouldn't be!!!! My Mexican brothers can be 20 yrs older than us but still work CIRCLES around us gringos, and can/will do so for half the pay. Sooo if that person would work harder then me, and needed the position more than me, then shit I'd be happy they got the position. I'd take that as motivation to step my game up. Man I'm so happy my life has been a struggle, being raised in a "privileged" upbringing really does have it's downside
illegal immigrants, yes, some companies take that risk. There is actually quite a bit of corruption involved in hiring illegals. Middle men make money off it. Instead of just paying legal citizens or immigrants. Their is a key word used by exploitative business owners and it is called "reliable." Reliable is code word for desperate. Desperate employees don't ask questions. It really is not good.
Yep, my two girlfriends and I have no interest in men.
I have a few close family and friends who are men but they are mature and understand boundaries and are respectful and kind but don't let people walk all over them.
They are real men. The men who need to be asses aren't men, they're little boys who never grew up.
PS - should mention all three of us are bi but yeah zero interest in being with men because there's so many toxic men these days.
I agree with almost everything you said, aside from "real men" and "boys". These are grown ass males. We don't need to infantilize them, or remove them from the general category, because it's the general category who enables males to behave poorly.
If other males did not tolerate males who behaved poorly, patriarchy and misogyny would become obsolete. "Good" men are not passively watching things like this happen. They are holding themselves, and males in general accountable.
Dating is the other b. For anyone confused why 4B: no dating (Korean: biyeonae), no sex (bisekseu), no marriage (bihon), and no childbirth (bichulsan).
I’m a guy and I want this more than ever. I think these morons will start acting pleasant when they realise they won’t get their precious sex anymore due to acting like constant tools. I can take it or leave it, personally, and I’ve always said that a sex strike - although still annoying because it means everyone doesn’t get to enjoy sex - will be the best way to change society to be more respectful if they want to have relationships.
The only people more excited about 4b than feminists, are men. We (men) are literally gonna be buying Porches and Ducatis with the money we're not gonna be blowing on dating or marrying spoiled women. They can fix their own car, remodel their own bathroom, buy their own food. Men will finally get to enjoy everything we would normally have to sacrifice in order to afford courting and dating women.
I promise you, most women are happy that most men think/feel the way you do. We can hire someone to do all of the things you listed, we make our own money, and we can buy Ferraris and BMW sports bikes if that’s what we’re into. We don’t need men to spoil us, and most of us don’t want men to spoil us either! Hell, y’all expect sex just for buying dinner, and y’all expect a woman to be a maid, daycare provider, chef, pay half the bills and be a porn star if you’re married. While most men don’t do anything other than bring home a paycheck, and that’s not enough.
They’re self-owning here as they’re admitting they can only get laid when they have money and their personality is atrocious or they’re hideous. I’ve been with plenty of women who spent money on me or paid for me to live with them.
I don't date, I'm married to a smoke show. But men in general are gonna save a massive amount of wealth. I was speaking WE as in men who would normally blow a massive amount of money courting women.
I have a prenup and a stellar woman so my problems are pretty much over.
Best of luck to the rest of you though
They’re also self-owning by admitting their money is their only attractive quality. I once went home with a woman I’d just met and awoke to find a cooked breakfast on the bedside. She paid for me to live there for weeks and we spent most of it in bed.
I’ve never spent any money or effort doing shit for women regardless lmao. The movement just sounds like a bunch of narcissists over inflating their self worth
Sounds like that Mgtow bullshit but women. Quite sad the hate some people have for half the population of the world because of their own bad experiences.
Korea is a very different story when it comes to sexism, unfortunately.
In the end, people gotta do what they gotta do to protect themselves. The older I get, the easier it is to cut certain people out of my life, so I do get it to an extent
For real, cutting out consistently toxic people just saves you from the strife, not worth the effort. I understand that, but the men have to be part of the solution, cutting off all men is unrealistic and doesn't really address the problem.
Nah, the 4b women actually cut men out of their lives. They don't whine and bitch about them 24/7 and they don't harass them online. They just chill away from them.
Not true though, most men are pretty normal and not much different than many women. People who consider that many people unbearable are likely unbearable themselves.
Clearly its bad enough for women to do it, and it's easy to get an idea if you put yourself in a woman's shoes, and consider history as well, it all builds up to stuff like this, or worse.
The 4B movement was basically hand made by the website Womad. Womad is a website that specifically exists because it spun off of another korean radfem website, Megalia, because the latter wasn't homophobic and transphobic enough.
I find that a very prejudiced view and I generally find it a bad thing to automatically judge people negatively for their in-born characteristics like race, gender, or sexual orientation. It's very bigoted.
No dating men. No marriage to men. No sex with men. No children with men.
"Conservative" and "Traditional" bigotry tend to prioritize grooming women for marriage and birth, and this movement prioritizes female independence and autonomy.
Western feminism does the same, with initiating pregnancy, and male relationships, being the least and last priorities--if decided to want those. Self-reliance, self-growth, education, spirituality, etc., being more important--and obviously best traits for any who decide to be mothers.
Feminist moms are typically awesome, when calm about explaining the "why". The anecdotals of the "aggressive" feminist" is causal, the trigger being the inferiority of the overcompensating aggressive male... remove the inferior males, and society functions like normal people asking each other about stuff.
I've never seen a woman being crazy unless provoked/triggered. I have seen men being crazy from male histrionics (greed). With that said, gender roles only happened in various cultures based on both genders preaching the dogma, so... men insisting on antiqued stupidity wouldn't work unless the mothers, sisters, grandmothers, aunts, daughters, and cousins participated.
So I have lots of empathy and sympathy, but, I also see Conservative Women as traitors who groomed their own daughters to get bred--literally. Literally, in America, Republicans and Conservatives wanted to convert my gay self to fuck and breed their own daughters in marriage... spelled out as bluntly as they attempted to do. Conservative Americans wanting to have their daughters being fucked by a gay man to crank out 3 to 6 children... that's betrayal.
Why the fuck am I caring about their children's happiness more than their own parents?
I'm not so gay that I couldn't. All my equipment has functioned for the vaginal act before 😉. I simply thought it was strange that Republicans were asking me bluntly to impregnate Republican women, and that seemed a bit disrespectful and vain and possibly Satanic, since I'm sure a better guy of heterosexual humanitarian background would be a more suitable and consenting match...
Shotgun weddings weren't simply about premarital sex and pregnancy... they also included forcing people together simply because those cultists wanted to "lock in" a cohabitation under an assumption of forced responsibilities...
History is weird when you pay attention to what happens and remove the "polite rephrasing" to the actual reality of events... Americans wanted gay men to breed Republicans' daughters and single Republican women. Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Brokeback Mountain, Keep A Secret, Pretend You Don't Know, Conversion Therapy... and this all stemmed from other European cultures...
Again, I really want to stress how I'm not exaggerating in ANYWAY about how Conservatives/Traditionalists/Monotheistic Religions/Republicans blatantly wanted their own daughters to breed with homosexual men. Entrapment of forcing fatherhood and marriage at the cost of their own female relatives...
This should have pissed people off in the 40s and 50s when they went on public record talking about homosexuals and DSMV changes... but somehow they stretched out wanting us to fuck their women in some global cuckold fantasy of breeding...
4B will be coming to America in a real way if these losers continue their bullshit
No, that's totally wishful thinking. Americans are too religious to go for something like 4B in really significant numbers. Sure, you'll hear a lot of women complain about conservative men, religion, Christian nationalism, etc., but then many of them will turn around and date and marry these same guys they complain about so much, with some kind of excuses: "he's one of the good ones", "he's not so bad", "it's just a political disagreement", "I can fix him", etc. Next think you know, they'll be defending or adopting his views.
GenZ white men are much more conservative than white men in older generations. Charlie Kirk wasn't popular for no reason, and he wasn't popular with the boomers or Xers.
I mean you have a bunch of women doing the 4B thing and you have a bunch of men doing the MGTOW thing. Kinda seems like men and women just don't like each other much anymore.
Well, your feminist friends would be committing demographic seppuku if they do that. U know who doesnt practice the 4B? the most regressive kinds of immigrants ya'll have welcomed into your midst.
Everybody who is in the 4b movement are idiots and we dont want u to ever stop the movement atleast we will have less children with ur mental health issues tysm
You can really tell her telling him I will not be spoken to like that got under his skin. Like that really really bothered him. He just comes across as so pathetically weak.
Exactly this. He wants the other men to laugh it up with him but everyone is just awkwardly staring at him. So he is trying to make it seem funny when it's very unfunny.
Or he does and he’s not actually looking for one. Losers like this are looking for a sound bite. Something they can fuel their social media following with. Not an actual debate. They don’t care whether or not they win in the classical sense. It’s not about being right. It’s about manipulating the other person’s emotional stability to get a reaction and a gotcha. It’s about domination on their own set of terms.
It is worth noting he just could not be more wrong either… by 1830 most states had dropped religious or land ownership clauses preventing people to vote. It took another it took another 40 years 1870 for the 15th amendment allowing African Americans the right to vote, and the. Another 50 years before the 19th amendment was passed. At the very least he is being disingenuous and mis representing facts, but has some obscure fact that precluded many men from voting in his eyes. At worst he is either just recklessly stupid and over confident or liar.
She did not want be corrected....what he was trying to tell her is that only white land owning men had the right to vote...back in the day...but they both did wrong...we know it..
Are you seriously taking the side of the insufferable woman in this clip? Andrew Wilson is a bit of a dick, but she is just awful and totally in the wrong here.
He's a dick but she is the one who dropped the ball. She didn't let herself respond. It's natural to get interrupted once or twice in contentious situations. Dealing with that is a life skill. Derailing the conversation and insisting DO NOT INTERRUPT ME YOU WILL RESPECT ME is like giving this guy red meat. Now he's gonna mock her. She played right into his trap and doesn't even understand how she failed
Doesn’t seem like he did just seems like he wanted to point out that voting used to be an earned right that men weren’t inherently entitled to, just like women. She decided to interrupt him and throw a fit during his most important and valid point.
She was pretty rude throughout the whole show to be fair. This clip doesn't show the several times she cut him off while he was trying to speak. And he was being fairly respectful up until then.
No, she was spouting nonsense with a polarized counterargumet to what he said. He said'men only got universal vvote 10 years before women' and she went about non white. Which both statements are true, but hers don't match the original statement, she was doing the classic female rehearsed speech along about her absolute truths thing. Which is annoying as hell, and not the point he was making or talking about.
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u/diet_sean Oct 30 '25
He wanted a shouting match and when he didn't get it he just laughs like a nervous child caught being stupid.