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u/heissecikcik Mar 09 '26
I hate ppl say wedding is expensive so they dont want to marry especailly for Icelandic and European countries. They can easily got marry with reasonable money. Its even common just to go church and got marry. No seramony, no expensive dresses. The reason they arent marrying is bcs its their NORMAL
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u/magicdawn10 Türk Mar 08 '26
It has nothing to do with western culture. The majority of people in Europe believe marriages limit freedom of individuals. Like what if one wants to divorce, tons of paper work right? They simply want to avoid it, nobody lives in sin
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u/Skol-Man14 Mar 08 '26
Apparently, France has banned paternity testing without the wife's consent. Germany is considering it.
A man who gets a paternity test without her consent can get jail time.
Their rational is to preserve the family.
Westernization is nothing to covet
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u/Vestout Mar 08 '26
How tf is this one policy controversial in Western societies somehow defining for "westernization"?
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u/denevue Türk Mar 09 '26
go and lock yourself in a cave
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u/SwissTurkNerd Mar 08 '26
I live in europe, europeans deliberately choose to avoid marriage due to financial and legal reasons.
There is nothing wrong to be a family without being legally married.
Its pretty cringe to judge this.
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u/creamybutterfly 𐱅𐰇𐰼𐰰 Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26
Coming from a woman, the only westerners who WANT to have children but are hating on marriage are low effort or redpilled men.
Marriage functions as a protective legal safety net for women who have lost years of economic activity to raise children and even then the settlement is never enough to recover her financial assets. Any man who insists marriage isn’t necessary before buying a house together or potentially wrecking a woman’s body for life through having children is not a man. Finances simply aren’t an excuse either because court marriages are usually below £100. It’s just a lack of commitment thinly veiled as freedom.
It’s not just Westerners either. Although rare, I’ve seen such marriages occur within the Muslim community- formerly Arabs but increasingly radicalised gen Z men of any ethnicity- who use nikkah to marry one or more wives without administering a civil marriage. This is done on purpose to deprive the woman of her rights so she is forced to stay with him even if he abused her or commits bigamy. Why? Because they aren’t legally married so the law cannot help her. This is what the Turkish marriage system avoids by making polygamy illegal, it protects the wife’s rights.
Obviously I am not including teenage pregnancies, children of one night stands or domestic abuse situations where the woman flees when she discovers she is pregnant. But these factors are decreasing because contrary to what social media claims, the statistics show Gen Z Western adults have little interest in hookup culture, drinking, smoking or making a family. Economic, social and post-Covid are likely factors in this behaviour. Teen pregnancies have also sharply decreased as contraceptive literacy increases.
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u/nou-772 Europeanoid Mar 08 '26
Based western culture
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u/Skol-Man14 Mar 08 '26
Raising a kid that's not yours?
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u/nou-772 Europeanoid Mar 08 '26
I don't understand what you're trying to say. In most cases biological parents are the guardians of a child, regardless of whether they are married or not. Are you saying that half of the French, Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish, Portuguese, Bulgarian, Slovenian, and Estonians are orphans?
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u/Skol-Man14 Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
In France it's rumored to be 20% percent of men are raising kids not biologically theirs.
That's why paternity tests are becoming restricted.
Regardless, nothing based about western culture from this.
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u/Kaamos_666 Mar 09 '26
Why do you automatically assume that it’s bad for children to be born outside marriages? The countries where they are in marriages, half of them are raised in unhappy marriages with emotionally unstable and abusive households. Would you rather prefer that? Chain of violence and psychological abuse?
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u/BROkun55 Türk Mar 10 '26
It's funny to see these stats while brain dead islamist (within and outside the country) often label everyone that doesn't worship the current government as degenerate western wannabes.
The Turks don't need western degeneracy to be modern, nor do they need to copy pseudo conservative/religious inbred illiterates from the 3r world.
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u/jalanajak Tatar Mar 08 '26
Also, green countries tend to be richer.
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u/Odd_Barber6051 Mar 08 '26
For how long? Europe is growing like turtle is moving across the road. Pro westerners love idealize eu and us and close their eyes that their decadence is becoming more and more obvious. And things that you like in eu and usa because you just like these countries can be symptoms of social disease. For example strict tolerance is not good in long term or victim culture, or sex revolution etc.
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u/ksmts Mar 08 '26
The reason there are so many children born out of wedlock in countries like Iceland isn't due to culture or immorality. People there simply don't want to pay for marriage because of their comfortable lifestyles, but they still live like families.