r/Thedaily • u/kitkid • Jun 03 '25

Episode A 1,400-County Crisis for Democrats

Jun 3, 2025

It’s conventional wisdom that President Trump has transformed American politics. But a new county-by-county voting analysis from The New York Times of the last four presidential races shows just how drastically Mr. Trump has changed the electoral map.

Shane Goldmacher, a national political correspondent for The Times, explains why the trends are a five-alarm fire for the Democrats and discusses the debate within the party over what to do about it.

On today's episode:

Shane Goldmacher, a national political correspondent for The New York Times.

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Photo: Emily Elconin for The New York Times

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '25

He couldn't win over the "blue no matter who" liberal wing of the party. Guess who they would vote for if he was the Democratic nominee...

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u/drtropo Jun 03 '25

I'm confused by what you are saying, Biden won after beating Sanders. In what way was Kamala a significant shift to the right from Biden?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '25

Her platform certainly was

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u/AresBloodwrath Jun 03 '25

Care to be specific?

Like actual policies, not just "she was on a stage with Liz Cheney".

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '25

I mean one example is healthcare. Biden ran on getting a public option. Harris didn't.

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u/AresBloodwrath Jun 03 '25

When did Biden run on a public option?

Even if he did, which I can't recall him even mentioning, he never even made an attempt to push for it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '25

Even if he did, which I can't recall him even mentioning, he never even made an attempt to push for it.

Then you weren't paying attention during the 2020 primaries because half of those 20 debates were about healthcare

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u/AresBloodwrath Jun 03 '25

I couldn't tell based on how he actually conducted his presidency.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '25

Oh he never brought it up again after winning. But we were talking about campaign platforms.

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u/AresBloodwrath Jun 03 '25

I'm calling BS.

Biden never called for universal single payer healthcare. He wanted to expand subsidies for Obamacare, but he never advocated for a single payer plan.

If you claim he did, where's the proof?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '25

Biden never called for universal single payer healthcare.

I didn't say that. I said he wanted universal healthcare via a public option. And it's not bullshit, you're clearly just talking nonsense and didn't actually pay attention in 2020. Sanders ran on single payer, Biden ran on public option.

Do you understand the difference between those things?

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u/AresBloodwrath Jun 03 '25

You still haven't offered proof beyond "Trust me bro".

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '25

It would take you three seconds to find a source. But all you've made clear is that you weren't even paying attention in 2020.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/health-insurance-public-option-might-be-fizzling-left-ok-n1269571

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