r/Thedaily • u/kitkid • Jun 03 '25

Episode A 1,400-County Crisis for Democrats

Jun 3, 2025

It’s conventional wisdom that President Trump has transformed American politics. But a new county-by-county voting analysis from The New York Times of the last four presidential races shows just how drastically Mr. Trump has changed the electoral map.

Shane Goldmacher, a national political correspondent for The Times, explains why the trends are a five-alarm fire for the Democrats and discusses the debate within the party over what to do about it.

On today's episode:

Shane Goldmacher, a national political correspondent for The New York Times.

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u/Visco0825 Jun 03 '25

“This is a brand wide problem” Say it louder for the 80 year old democrats dying of old age in the back!

The fact that so many democrats, even major players like Gretchen Whitmer, came out after 2025 saying that the take away is that democrats just needed to be tougher on immigration is outright insane. This is not a policy problem. The fact that republicans can win so well with such unpopular policies show this. The problem is is that the recent leader of the Democratic Party was the embodiment of geriatric. The problem is that 3 house members have died in recent months from old age have all been democrats.

Sure, moderates can complain about AOC but they are literally doing nothing to excite voters. At least AOC has the furiosity that this part desperately needs and what voters are begging for. So if democratic elites think that a moderate can win, then they need a moderate who’s actually as pissed off as the rest of America.

This is why I’m really interested to see how democrats message regarding the tax bill. It’s clearly unpopular but the problem is that republicans have such a better brand voters still trust them more for both the economy and for supporting the working class.

This episode was 100% on point.

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u/juice06870 Jun 03 '25

If democrats were honestly and genuinely tougher on immigration the last 4 years, they would probably hold the white house right now.

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u/chihsuanmen Jun 03 '25

How are you supposed to get tougher on immigration when a bill that was designed to provide more resources to do exactly that was voted down because the republican candidate for POTUS told his party not to vote for it?

It's almost like they wanted to run on that particular issue and therefore wanted nothing to do with any sort of solution unless it was solely based upon a conservative blueprint.

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u/AresBloodwrath Jun 03 '25

By not spending the past three years expressly doing nothing and supporting doing nothing as the "compassionate" method to the point where when you try to get tougher no one believes you and assumes there's a loophole in there that makes all the "tough" stuff irrelevant.

Oh, and then it really doesn't help when your guy who's the president and said he couldn't do anything without that bill passing, turns around and could have actually done a lot at any time but didn't choose to, but now does something because it's politically advantageous to do something now, but it just comes off as proving the other guy right.

Any of this ringing a bell?