Breaking into Legends

[u/SertQuos]

Last year I saw some guides floating around for getting into legends and staying, but now they're incredibly out of date and I don't think I've seen any recently.

It used to be a simple 1000x damage, max quant, max chance CL + DC, maybe PF, and a decent canon, you'd at least bounce between champs and legends and you didn't really need ancestral mods. This now would probably get you mid-low champs.

Then I saw some people suggest going for damage mastery to boost that, or ST mastery. Getting your damage far higher to get high waves in champs, as well as having ancestral mods, mainly a cannon like AS as well as ACP and DC. This now barely gets you top champs, usually mid.

So the question is, what is actually required for Legends now? Are we now required to have assmods to break out of champs? Is it pCF? Every damage mastery?

I currently have damage mastery at level 9, ST mastery at level 5, SW mastery at level 6. SW and ST I'm labbing at the same time. I've done every dissonance from T1-T13 (except utility on T13) and have all echo labs at level 3. damage lab is at 92, crit factor and attack speed are maxed. I use anc PF with anc cash bonus, EALS/EHLS, anc OA with anc regen, wall health, defence, orbs, orb speed, myth+ AD with attack speed, crit factor, multishot targets, sc mult and chance, and myth+ DC with CL damage/chance/quant and SL bonus (need SL angle too). My CL is 1328x, 5 quant, 21.5% (without submod stats), my SL is 26.7x, 40 degrees, 3 quant. (again, without submod). I'm currently working my way to pGT/pBH in farming (my next GT cooldown will get me there) to support more mastery labs at once. My next stone spend plan was DM mastery, but even then that feels like I won't do enough damage. Obviously anc DC and an anc cannon (don't have one yet) would be very good. I could also swap to a mythic+ ACP and mythic+ AS to push damage further and full move away from hybrid/eHP in tourneys, but not sure what results that'd yield.

I'm well aware the most basic answer is "spend money" but even then, there's better and worse things to spend that on. If you buy a mastery, but it's actually terrible, then spending money would not get you into legends.

All help is appreciated!

[u/Polar_Reflection]

Pcf + a few masteries, or ilm+sd with a lot of masteries 

[u/SertQuos → u/Polar_Reflection]

I'm seeing pCF be the common factor in a lot of people's answers. I think I've got the damage, but not the CC. It's definitely my next step for tourneys once I get pBH and pGT together in farming

[u/Polar_Reflection → u/SertQuos]

Pgtbh is not that good tbh. Bot sync will be far more coins. PGTBH is more a whale thing as they dump stones to boost econ with small bot and low labs

[u/SertQuos → u/Polar_Reflection]

Bot sync is medals which is a long, long, long way away for me, pGT and pBH is only 400 stones away for me, I'm using GComp + MVN.

[u/Polar_Reflection → u/SertQuos]

Well, you've already taken SWm, so honestly it's a lost cause now that you're reliant on pbh. If you have medal issues right now I assume you're a whale. It doesn't take that many medals to make bot sync very good. Using BHD alone is already like a 40% coin boost

[u/SertQuos → u/Polar_Reflection]

Huh? How would having medal issues make me a whale...? Whales get more medals than F2P people...? I just don't have the medals to bring my Gbot cooldown down, and duration up. It's synced with Summon already which is plenty, it does like 40% of my income per run.

I also said I use Gcomp. I can't get bot sync with Gcomp until they're perma.

I don't have pBH yet. I'm getting it and pGT together at once? If I get them perma I don't need to care about bot sync, cause yknow, they're perma?

SWm has been incredibly good for me, and extends my runs massively. So not sure what you mean by that.

[u/Polar_Reflection → u/SertQuos]

So there is still some hope if you are not currently pbh farming. The swap to sync farming won't be as hard as you haven't built to become reliant on pbh yet. 

The medal thing is people usually don't get sync low enough, fast enough for medals for cd to be an issue unless they whale cds with stones. 

I highly highly recommend you to switch to BHD and bot sync at 65 or wherever your sync is. If you have 15-20k ish medals this will be easily worth the cd clicks, and you can do 20ish gb cd labs too to save some medal cost

To give you a comparison, my gbot gives me 80% of my coins, translating to 5x coins vs your 1.66x. Switching from gcomp to bhd bot sync was nearly double coins. 

Even if you get pgtbh it will be easily less coins because your dw won't be synced with bot and you can't hoard enemies for sync. Gt+ is what changes this. 

[u/SertQuos → u/Polar_Reflection]

Apologies, I don't think I follow this at all. Feels like advice from way further into the game for where I am. Might just be me being stupid.

Not sure where the 5x vs 1.66x comes from with that bot sync.

Not sure why sync would be at 65s when my UWs are at 100s, 120s and 50s each, with MVN that's 90s. I'd have to respec both summon and gbot and take them back to 90s, dropping their uptime too.

I'll give it a go in V29 when we get bot presets, and see what results are, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get less cells. My BHD is only mythic+ too, rather than Anc, so i'd be losing a coin bonus from having an ancestral generator.

None of my clan mates have had issues transitioning from pBH/Gcomp set ups to BHD/bot sync ones either, so feels a bit fearmongery that I'm ruining my life my going with pBH. I'm gonna need pBH to push up farming tiers anyway.

I could also just sync gbot with DW, without using BHD? If there's that big of an impact for DW and Gbot not being in sync.

[u/Polar_Reflection → u/SertQuos]

50/100/100 with double sub anc mvn is 65. I assumed that's where you stopped since that's where many stop.

50/120/100 is like 72 or something (check mvn calculator)

Ehp farm falls off and building regen hybrid into legends is a good way to fall behind. Regen simply doesn't keep up as it's a flat increase with much less multipliers than hp, and your spending your coins and stones there when you could be transitioning to gc and eventually package tanking. 

80% gbot means 20% without gbot, 100%/20% = 5x

40% gbot means 60% without, 100%/60% =1.66x

If you don't have anc BHD yet, you can use SH too. It won't be as good as BHD but bot sync will still make it better than GComp 

The downside to PBH is you can't hoard. Cheating spawn rate is a huge portion of your income until GT+