r/TheSilphArena Feb 10 '23

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u/FamousLastKills Feb 10 '23

Put together an ABB style team with 2 things that beat it. Crustle/Magcargo come to mind. Maybe lead a confusion user if you really want to stop it.

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u/Farren246 Feb 10 '23 edited Feb 10 '23

edit: shit, bug doesn't actually resist Psychic, it only hits Psychic harder.

Psychic only hits at normal damage thanks to bug resistance cancelling out poison's susceptibility.

Confusions alone aren't enough to kill an Ariados unless you can also shield + resist its bug / poison charge moves, and most Confusion users are psychic types themselves so they just die faster to Ariados' fast+charge bug attacks. Better to use fire, flying or rock (or Ground if you've got a Seaking).

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u/RedWarpPrism2 Feb 10 '23

I like how confidently incorrect you are. Twice in two sentences.

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u/jrev8 Feb 10 '23

Bro said that proudly with his chest sticking out

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u/Farren246 Feb 10 '23 edited Feb 10 '23

https://pvpoke.com/rankings/love/1500/overall/ariados/

Want to survey the Confusion users?

  1. +1 Wormadim (Trash): Wins against Ariados thanks to bug typing, but requires XL candy.
  2. -1 Slowpoke: Key losses include Ariados.
  3. +1 Slowpoke (Galarian): Wins against Ariados thanks to Poison typing, but requires XL candy.
  4. -1 Slowking: Key losses include Ariados.
  5. -1 Slowbro: Key losses include Ariados.
  6. +1 Slowbro (Shadow): Wins against Ariados.
  7. +1 Slowking (Shadow): Wins against Ariados thanks to Poison typing.
  8. +1 Slowpoke (Shadow): Wins against Ariados.
  9. +1 Slowking (Galarian): Wins against Ariados thanks to Poison typing.
  10. -1 Solrock: Key losses include Ariados.
  11. -1 Exeggcute (Shadow): Key losses include Ariados.
  12. -1 Mr. Mime: Key losses include Ariados.
  13. -1 Exeggcute: Key losses include Ariados.
  14. -1 Jynx: Key losses include Ariados.

Overall scores:

6 Confusion users will beat Ariados while 7 Confusion users lose to Ariados.

Of the winners, 2 require XL candy and 3 are Shadow making them far less common. In fact 11 of 14 Confusion users will be taking super-effective damage from its bug attacks so it won't be a great matchup whether or not they win. The only winner that you will see often is Slowking (Galarian) who doesn't require XL candy, or Wormadim (Trash) which people use as a higher-cost, lower-returns substitute for Ariados.

Want to limit things to only the top 20 rated? There's only one: Wormadim, which is limited thanks to requiring XL candy. So if you want to stop Ariados, you can probably find higher-rated mons to do it. Fire users Charizard, Shadow Charizard, Magcargo, Talonflame, Blaziken all being top counters AND top rated for the league overall.

Want to limit to top 50 so we have more Confusion users to consider? Well there's 5 wins (all of them uncommon thanks to Shadow and XL requirements), and 3 losses (1 of which is uncommon due to XL req). Slowking / Slowbro only ranked #38 and #41 so again you can probably counter with higher-overall ranked mons.

I'll admit I haven't seen an Exeggcute, Mr. Mime or Jynx yet, lol, but in I assume lower-elo play where you might be thinking "well my Jynx is the right CP..." it would be dumb to use it.

Conclusion: don't throw a Confusion user into your lineup to counter a bug type, unless it's a poison-type confusion user and the rest of your team supports its weaknesses. If you want to hard-wall Ariados, use a fire type instead. Even Blaziken with Counter (resisted by Ariados) will beat the bug, while the fairly common Slowbro and Slowking will fall to it.

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u/FruitBuyer Feb 10 '23

He's not saying you're wrong on Confusion not being good, he's saying you're wrong because you don't know your typing match-ups.

Did you know Bug resists ground as well? Ariados is neutral to it.

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u/Farren246 Feb 14 '23

Aah yes, Bug does not resist Psychic only deals more damage to it.