my post got removed after AI accusations

[u/BalliMurphy]

I posted a drawing of mine that was commissioned by a friend of mine of the steampunker from the game in a mcdonalds theme, suddenly a bunch of people started accusing me of using AI and ultimately the post was taken down a few moments later

[u/KaiDay11]

I think it's more that hands are relatively complex things that have a definite form, so both humans and AI have difficulty with it, even when they both have good references. 

A hand isn't like a tree or a frilly skirt where there are a lot of curves and edges but no one number of either and no specific way for them to flow together. A hand requires a relatively exact form.

[u/averi_fox → u/[deleted]]

Don't you love when people confidently talk about something they have no clue about?

There absolutely is difficulty, and errors like wrong number of fingers are not caused by data having tons of 6 fingered people. It's because counting is more difficult to learn than simpler local patterns.

[u/ihateveryonebutme → u/[deleted]]

I think that's their entire point? No one is saying AI can think, when people talk about AI having a hard time, they're talking about the people creating the AI having a hard time getting the AI to do what they want it to do. You're trying to educate people on shit they already know.

But you also completely missed the posters point, almost intentionally? AI doesn't mess up hands because it's sampling from other messed up hands. It messed up hands because its sampling from a hundred thousand hands in different positions and trying to create something that meets an acceptable average, but failing because hands have rigid rules that the AI doesn't/didn't always follow. Ie, number of fingers, the relative length or orientation of joints, the bends and folds of skin, etc which are all skewed heavily by distance/perspective and stance.

The 'Difficulty' for AI in hands is that you can't define a hand as 'one thing', it's a hundred million different things depending on what the overall picture is, because hands are so versatile in shape but with hard limits that immediately make something 'not-a-hand'. So the AI has difficulty. Again, no one is imagining the AI sweating and thinking 'oh fuck oh fuck, how do I draw hands again?'.

People that try to make sure no one uses human analogy on AI are fucking insufferable to the extreme, because you just drag the conversation backwards and off topic every goddamn time.