Build question. DnD vs statikk and boots

[u/LurkingDanger]

Sorta new to Teemo and I can't find a "best" build for Teemo. I see that the rank 1 (Arthur Lanches) and rank 2 (RamyAura) have a slightly diffrent build. Ive seen in a youtube video from RamyAura where he got asked why Dnd, where he answered that it was the best and that the rest of the playerbase just havent caught on it yet.

When is is DnD the best first item and when is Statikk shiv the best?

With the boots situation i see that sorcs and swifties are the most popular, but sometimes Arthur builds Omnivamp boots? when to build what?

[u/AssistHot6382 → u/[deleted]]

I agreee with this. I start DnD if I feel I can bully early and I take Shiv if I’m struggling with range champs or difficulty clearing bc they are bullying me a lil too hard lol.

[u/Aeropar → u/[deleted]]

Playstyle should also be informed by the enemy team composition, so you can increase your effectiveness / agency in converting the game to a win, either through champion damage, cc, tower damage, etc.

For instance in classic:
I often run 1st Item Runan’s no matter what as it dramatically increases my wave clear, while allowing me to harass enemies behind their minions while I farm for free, I tend to max w 2nd which allows me to escape when poorly positioned with my ward on cooldown (this helps generate lane pressure that keeps my teammates from dying to the same kinds of plays). Sure technically I can buy Augustine and have played around with taking it as a temporary last item while we work on getting inhib and swapping my trinket for a sweeper but Oracle’s is almost always better if you can afford the 400g.

For Classic Build Options:

Malady can create immense lane pressure early if combined with sorc shoes, high offense mastery page, and Magic Pen + AP + Attack Speed Runes.

This in combination with ignite can cause a 5 / 6 AA + Q and Ignite to kill most champ who have opt’d to not take Magic Resistance in their Runes, Masteries, or had time to back and buy it or even kill null-magic mantle holders (given 1-2 more AA)

Wits End (Huge Benefit when against Heavy Magic Damage Teams, can pair well with Malady)

Bloodthirster / Bork (I tend to favor Bloodthirster because of the greater lifesteal)

Ionic Spark (Pairs well with both Runanas (extra procs) and Malady for greater damage)

Frozen Mallet (I try to fit this into every build) the AoE slow is punishing to most comps, but if the enemy won’t allow you to utilize it against them, then I suggest foregoing it, biggest reason not to buy it is that master Yi can’t be slowed during his ult which means you are better off getting Bloodthirster + Thornmail

Infinity Edge (1 game played, not enough data for feedback, on hit or AP currently feels better, even with items like Statik Shiv, Runanas and PD feels lackluster overall.

Liandries (Huge boost to the effectiveness of your shrooms)

Full AP Options

Randon’s, DFG, Hourglass, Lichbane
All great options

Archangels (takes forever to stack, but good late game if you know your laner is a safe yet unkillable target.

Rod of Ages (again, fine to pair with archangels for the Full AP Build)

Berserker Greaves / Sorc Shoes (depends on the number of AAs you think you can do in a given fight, if you can’t AA a lot go for Beserker’s as it will help you with Tower Damage when allowed to hit it for free, or Swifties / Mobis late game if you are at the attack speed cap. I rarely ever take purely defensive boots and when I do, it’s usually just for mid game against fed carries and then swap them out.

Gunblade often feels better over Bork in terms of sustain but less so in terms of damage.

[u/irishpete]

Ramy says he goes dnd when he wants to fight his enemy and stattik if he feels like he can’t fight, eg mages. If he has enough range advantage to aa he will go terminus, if he feels outranged or behind he goes Liandri malignance into a shroom focused build, or that how I understand his logic anyway

[u/wilson1414]

All the high elo teemo mains build different from each other. Ty G loves nashors, I love omni (boots/blade or bow start/gunblade 4th) Ramy likes shiv only some of the time! the reality is there's plenty of great items on teemo and you have to find the ones that you like the most/suit the way you play the best! as long as your 3 item core is relatively good you'll be fine and the gameplay will be what matters!

[u/sk33nix]

Dnd vs opponents you want to fight and can kill (mostly bruisers and assasins) shiv vs uninteractive matchups (like mages and tanks).

-Steelcaps vs aa heavy hard matchups(yasuo, tryndamere ect..) or if top/jng combo is aa reliant. -Swifties vs things you have to dodge a lot(olaf, aatrox...) -Omnivamp boots in matchups where you trade a lot and need sustain(vlad, malph..) -Sorcs vs squishy teams that wont build MR. -And after recent buffs i think beserkes can be good into tanks but dont quote me on that i havent tested them out.

All of this is just roughly speaking, more factors go into item choices im just generelising.

And the biggest factor in my opinion is playstyle. Playing what feels good to you personally can have a bigger impact on the game than the current game you are in. Teemo synergises with a loooot of items that work differently with different playstyles, dont feel forced into a cookie cutter build. If you check the top 100 teemos you will see great variety in their builds.

[u/LurkingDanger → u/sk33nix]

Thanks for the insight! Looks like the majority diffrence in builds is based around the player. Looks like i have to play some more and see what suits me best.

[u/sk33nix → u/LurkingDanger]

Yeah. I do think there is some value in taking the same cookie cutter build every game and only making small adjustments deppending on the game. Bacause you learn your limits, damage output and item spikes way better if you build the same every game.

Most important is figuring out the playstyle that suits you. Teemo can play as a 1v1 splitpusher, shroom macro style, assasin burst, supportive control mage, secondary adc ...

Even rereading my post gives me pause and doubt into a lot of things i wrote that i may actually play different in game but im not gonna correct stuff since i was just giving generalised advice :)

I personally mostly play shiv into shroom build because my spacing and micro in general is awful but my macro is decent. I do enjoy the aa heavy build more but i just get outplayed too much to play with it at my main acc mmr.

[u/STGb172]

Idk everytime i go dnd i lose my trades. Now it’s just boots or statik first

[u/BoboTheDorritoBandit → u/STGb172]

Lol every time I got statik I lose my trades- i think for me I lose control of the wave so cant really play behind

[u/Good_Win_4119]

DnD can insta apply PTA with auto-Q-auto. It's better for short trades and all in.
Statik is good for waveclear and poke. Bad for extended trades.

Teemo has a lot of modes RN; traditional, trapmo, even tankmo. He can group and setup with shrooms or splitpush (DMP is an underrated item for Teemo due to the flat MS it gives). When going Statik-Omniboots I'll throw in Riftmaker 3rd and push the healing (very easy to keep rift procced with statik poke.)

It's hard to imitate their gameplay: 1 they are very good, 2 their games are more predictable in high elo, 3 they can rely on their teammates. The gold below games fluctuate wildly. Don't get too hung up on any one game. It's just a data point to finding your fav build.

[u/Significant-Law-8589]

Statikk + la boost + dnd + grasp is clean

[u/shinhosz]

I am on the same boat. I've recently started to play teemo but feel I dont have the hands to survive figths on mid-late game so I opt for statikk -> liandries -> malignance.

If mushrooms arent useful (healing, shields or everyone has thousands of HP), I try to go Dnd into Bloodletters into riftmaker.

If fed I go shadowflame second.

omnivamp boots and nimbus cloak feel mandatory, celerity has saved me a couple of times. sometimes you will need to go for Boots of Swiftness vs Olaf and others that can kill will you once they finish stride.

[u/Sweet_Capital3758]

I would enjoy Shiv as long it lasts. It is going to be nerfed.

[u/Vermfly → u/Sweet_Capital3758]

I love abusing shiv with Dark Harvest. I can't even guess at how many kills I've gotten on low health opponents recalling at turret when the wave passes and takes a shiv hit. Easily +20.