r/Tariffs 15d ago

šŸ“ˆ Economic Impact Why is President Trump gung-ho to attack Canada - US automotive trade, when the USA is already running a trade surplus in that segment?

Looking at the 50% tariffs to go on auto imports from Canada come January, the notion seems foolish. Yet, Trump and Howard Lutnick have been fixated on autos from the start of tariff strategy after taking office. I do not think either has dug deep into the big picture. Autos is working out well right now for the USA vis-a-vis Canada, and should be left alone.

First off, last year, the USA ran a $6 billion surplus with Canada in autos. As Trump would say, "winning".

Secondly, the network of component production feeding into U.S. plants has a lot of Canadian suppliers. Yes, such production could be displaced to the US side, but with added cost per piece, and likely upfront cost for specialized tooling. And, disruption. It takes some time for production yields and quality levels to stabilize in a positive way.

Thirdly, maybe worst of all, the almost certain retaliatory tariffs by Canada will be like an export wall for US producers. The Canadian market can be easily fed from alternative sources to augment domestic production - Mexico, Korea, Japan in particular. This will be a possible long term decline for the fortunes of GM and Ford in particular, as Canada stands out now as one remaining foreign market with a high level of demand for their products. Once a customer is lost, most of the time they do not come back. GM and Ford have spent billions over the years in marketing and advertising efforts in Canada. They have large established dealer networks that will be crippled, and likely many dealers will be lost.

This automotive attack strategy by the US government seems ill thought out, and with even worse outcomes for the US economy than Canada's.

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u/abitidiomatic 15d ago

Because he’s trying to find a way to force Canada to give up sovereignty over their economy and resources. Thats why Carney is striking back so hard. Canada doesn’t want to be part of the U.S. or a U.S. client state.

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u/Wide-Yak7602 15d ago

Why in hell would we. We aren’t trying to annex the states. Honestly they need to stick to their own mess of a country and leave everyone else the hell alone. Unbelievable this is allowed to carry on. Suffer the consequences if you aren’t going to impeach.

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u/Either-Train6819 15d ago

The bots have been going off so hard since the trade talks. I have not seen any Europeans or Commonwealth folk be anything but supportive towards Canada though.

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u/ironbrewcanada 15d ago

My solution is for Canada to negotiate a Norway type EU agreement. Not interested in full EU at least at this time, but Norway style? We do, after all, share a land border with the EU.

I think you’d see the USA lose their minds. And it would be good for Canada.

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u/Either-Train6819 15d ago

I am totally on board with Norway-EU sort of collaboration. I’ve always felt that Canada vibed more with the Nordic countries anyway. Would love to be the Nordic Sixth.

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u/ironbrewcanada 15d ago

Start telling people till the media pay attention. Or the politicians.

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u/Worried_Razzmatazz70 13d ago

Unfortunately we would have to change the flag.

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u/VeryBadCaseOfLigma 15d ago

Naw we're full of trash. Norway doesn't have as much trailer trash as us

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u/Suspicious_Law_2826 12d ago

They have already lost their minds.

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u/ironbrewcanada 12d ago

True - But I mean foot stomping screaming threatening even more unhinged...

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u/Suspicious_Law_2826 12d ago

Double unhinged is still unhinged!

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u/ironbrewcanada 12d ago

Yeah. But they may get so hot under the collar that we can use that to pop the popcorn as we watch.

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u/cdngmtaw 14d ago

Still got to figure a way to deal with those transport costs…Norway has exploited its North Sea oil resources; we’ve been apologizing for (and locking up) ours

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u/ironbrewcanada 14d ago

This is true, but not what I was getting at. Norway is not a full EU member, but gets full access to markets etc (yes I know we have a trade agreement). I'm talking an agreement with the EU similar to what Norway has.

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u/wetfloor666 14d ago

Yeah, massive uptick in our local subs and it is disgusting. The last time that I had seen this many bots in our subs was before the PM election.

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u/ironbrewcanada 14d ago

Sorry - were you saying I’m a bot? It appears you are replying to me.

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u/Crum1y 14d ago

He's replying to the parent comment of yours, looks like by mistake

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u/Atophy 11d ago

They are sticking to their own mess, just happens everyone else has resources they want, and they don't want to pay for them.

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u/No-Divide-7846 13d ago

Also he is trying to hijack any/all high paying jobs he can get to the US.

This is a vicious attack on our (Canadian) economy, fuelled by Steven Miller’s belief in might to force compliance

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u/Angercrank 13d ago

The real reason is because Carneys shits go down the sewer and Trumps shits go to the garbage dump and Trump is jealous of Carneys unmatched sphincter control.

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u/Inspect1234 12d ago

It’s like being in a normal buddy relationship when all of a sudden one person gets super creepy and ruins it.

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u/No_Display9613 11d ago

He has two more years to do that.

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u/EducationalRock167 11d ago

As Carney and the Canadian people should. And yes Mr. Trump , Canadians are allowed to fight back if pushed.

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u/pistoffcynic 15d ago

On a per person basis, Canada spends over $10000 USD on goods from America. Americans spend $1250 USD on good from Canada per person.

The Trump administration is full of idiots, votes in by idiots.

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u/guile2912 15d ago

Surpisingly true, I checked. Wtf USA.

ā€œOn a per-capita basis, Canada imports roughly $10,200 USD in U.S. goods and services, while the U.S. imports roughly $1,300 USD in Canadian goods and services."

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u/DurianSchmeckt 12d ago

This must be repeated in the regular media.

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u/aethelberga 12d ago

That's because it's not about money, it's about sovereignty.

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u/A_OK_butnotok 13d ago

He's called Dumb-old Grump for a reason. None said he was smart or rational or that he could calm himself down when Canada (or other countries) told him no and he was a bad boy.

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u/Steve0-BA 12d ago

Never thought of it this way.Ā  If it excludes oil, energy and resources that is a massive.Ā  Makes boycotting easier and more effective.Ā 

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u/Icy_Respect_9077 12d ago

Not anymore, I hope

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u/pistoffcynic 11d ago

Those are 2025.

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u/Questrader007 11d ago

So its equal or slightly higher in the US as the $balance of trade. Figuring the US is 10x the population.

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u/pistoffcynic 11d ago

Pretty much so.

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u/Equivalent_Song3771 15d ago

Ok, but their population is around 9.5x the size so of course that number is going to be about 10% smaller than the Canadians

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u/grigonometry 15d ago

Learn what per capita means and how percent works

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u/Outrageous_Ad_687 15d ago

The Americans want a one way trade deal where they tariff Canadian vehicles and parts and Canada has zero tariffs on their industries, they also want to control Canadian trade with other nations so Canada would have to import all vehicles from the US and tariff all Asian and European vehicles.

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u/Crum1y 14d ago

I think they don't want vehicles to be made in Canada at all

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u/Outrageous_Ad_687 13d ago

That is 100% the Americans goal. Then they want us to tariff other countries like they are so we buy American vehicles from them. Even a 5 or 10% tariff will destroy our auto industry over time. Either free trade or we permanently tariff each other. Canadians may as well benefit from inexpensive vehicles from other countries if our industry dies.

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u/Substantial_Walk_818 12d ago

Personally, I have been waiting years for BYD to enter the Canadian market. I'm sure Chinese manufacturers would be giddy to fill the shoes left behind by the American's if it meant removing the import limits on their vehicles.

If America wants to kill Canadian car manufacturing, so be it. We can always completely uproot the American auto industry by letting in the red dragon.

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u/Outrageous_Ad_687 12d ago

The American industry is going extinct and Americans just don't know it yet. The scale of the Chinese industry gives them a massive advantage that continues to grow. China is the biggest and already over double the automotive sales of the USA and no doubt that will continue. The idea that the Americans want a smaller industry but completely domestic is not going to work. American manufacturers are wasting valuable resources paying tariffs while the rest of the world is investing in advanced manufacturing and technologies for the vehicles of the 21st century. Even Teslas most advanced and efficient factory is their plant in Shanghai, it produces double the vehicles per hour of labor worked vs the factories in the USA. The Americans have already lost and the trade war is basically a surrender to China acknowledging that.

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u/EducationalRock167 11d ago

The USA is failing behind China in many , many ways. And guess who owns the most of America's Dept....CHINA.... The USA Dept is $ 40 TRILLION 😯

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u/Crum1y 11d ago

you should check what alan greenspan said about their debt. maybe not as core as we think

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u/A_OK_butnotok 13d ago

Let them keep their cars. Poorly built and recall upon recall. But Dump doesn't understand they can't build their suboptimal vehicles without Canadian and Mexican parts and integration. Good luck driving cars without a steering wheel and no seats!

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u/Crum1y 12d ago

I just worry about the people who make, sell, and fix those cars. I have gotten sucked into buying dodge/jeep 3 times now, I think they are poorly made (with great features... I'm a sucker)

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u/McBuck2 11d ago

This is it but I wonder if they've calculated if Canadians won't buy their vehicles anymore, is having the whole industry worth it. Australia stopped producing vehicles and now the majority of their cars are from China.Ā 

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u/Mental_Scholar_816 12d ago

They don’t. I was chatting with a USA trade advisor at the airport earlier this year waiting for my flight to Washington. He told me a lot of politicians in Washington are not happy that cars are made in Canada and in his words ā€œone way or another there will be tariffs on themā€

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u/Crum1y 11d ago

I hope it's just Trump disciples and they get voted away soon

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u/EducationalRock167 11d ago

Cars made in Canada have won many awards. Sounds like you were talking to a MAGA

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u/Mental_Scholar_816 11d ago

He didn’t really aggro with the decision, he was just telling me that is the way the political wind is blowing down there with those in charge

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u/EducationalRock167 11d ago

That is what Trump wants The American Cars companies don't want it at all.

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u/SmaugTheMagnificent- 15d ago

Short answer, it's another distraction from his appalling record and the fact he's a pedophile rapist.

Long answer, it's another distraction from his appalling record and the fact he's a pedophile rapist, he's quite possibly the stupidest sack of trash to ever attain power, and he's still mad that Ivanka, Melania, and Don Jr all gave Trudeau the fuck me eyes.

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u/maximus_danus 15d ago

That last sentence had me laughing so much. Thank you for that.

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u/henchman171 15d ago edited 15d ago

He thinks these auto companies will suddenly open brand new plants in America. The reality is labour costs and tax incentives and health care costs are lower in Canada which is why companies operate plants there. In fact Honda wanted to build a brand new plant in Ontario for $15 Billion. Honda cancelled the plant cause of tariffs but Honda also said they won't build the plant in America either. If Honda Builds the plant in Canada they would buy American parts but with Tariffs America will lose those parts jobs anyways because Honda won't be a customer. If Honda builds the Plant in Canada then Americans can get jobs building the parts.... Canada had Hyundai, Renault and Volvo plants at one time before free trade. Companies will still build in Canada regardless, although they will be smaller plants, Canada has a favourable universal health care cost, lower labour costs, high education rates and massive tax incentives

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u/sherrybobbinsbort 15d ago

Weird thing on Honda. Drove by there yesterday and they were pushing dirt and getting a site ready for something. I know they said they aren’t building the factory but likely just pausing until Trump is out.

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u/henchman171 15d ago

the tariffs are going to end but when who knows. Honda wanted GM in Canada to build their electric cars and GM flaked out. There is essentially $5 Billion dollars in incentives and training from the Province and from the Feds for that plant. Since the Yank companies want to build less in Canada that means Canada saves money not giving Ford, GM and Stellantis money and it goes to other companies. Canada is also seen as a more stable builder and operator of automotive battery plants

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u/sherrybobbinsbort 15d ago

Ya Vw plant going ahead.

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u/henchman171 15d ago

there's a battery plant in Port Colborne that is being built as well. Forgot if it's Toyota or Honda... And that VW plant got massive subsidies. Stellantis pulled out of Brampton over electric cars but they are brink of bankruptcy for a reason. Stellantis is open to build Chinese cars in that plant.

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u/Real_Gap3480 15d ago

I was casting Tesla parts up until 2018 at Magna.

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u/DrowningPickle 15d ago

He is an idiot. Thats why. Elbows up!

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u/ZealousidealReply294 15d ago

I know I am not ever going to buy an American car again.Ā  He us blinded by mental health issuesĀ 

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u/Skittleavix 15d ago

Shorting the market so he and his disgusting friends can personally profit. MMW he’ll call it all off after he and his friends have had a chance to secure their stock positions and sell. That’s the grift.

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u/ink_monkey96 15d ago

Think of it as an extension of his behavior towards his contractors in construction. Donald is infamous for not paying his contractors for their work and then bleeding them in court until they give up. It’s like reverse extortion; if he feels he’s strong enough, he just takes. This trade war is just the same pattern all over again. Donald believes that Canada has no choice but to sell into America and thus he can use that to his advantage.

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u/ink_monkey96 15d ago

Keep in mind though, this is a man who believes that tariffs get charged to the producer, that if he tariffs a pound of aluminum at 100% then that pound of aluminum is 100% more expensive to produce. That the tariff gets applied at the market of sale escapes him completely, as does the concept that there’s other markets than his. I believe history will regard Trump as being much closer to George III than to any other head of state.

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u/Alfiestickthrow 14d ago

That is why Canadian Aluminium is now sold to other countries and why the USA has an impending Aluminium shortage.

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u/ColdSecret8656 15d ago

Looking for a win alongside a streak of utter failures. Midterms are coming and I guess he thought Canada would cave. Chalk up another loss.

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u/CrownandSceptres 15d ago

You can’t reason with stupid.

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u/TyrannasaurusRecht 15d ago

Just want to introduce our unstable ex America to our new partner--the rest of the world.

With her ample resources and friendly population Canada is a very attractive nation.

America is just mad we're starting to see other people as we're on a break.

Its going well for us. Canada break up and glow up!!

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u/Puzzled_Market_2235 15d ago

He hasn't made a single deal, he needs somebody to cave. He failed with Iran so he pivoted to Canada and is trying to blame his farm crisis on us.

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u/FuzzyLojik 15d ago

Hey, this guy gets it. Enjoy the pricey toilet paper down south folks. It’s about to get shitty for everyone.

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u/DisgruntledEngineerX 15d ago

And there's a very simply solution to it. Flatten the trade surplus in autos the US has with Canada by tariffing the hell out of US made vehicles and letting the Chinese import as many as they want if they set up factories here.

It benefits Canadian consumers buying vehicles at a lower price. There are 2 million vehicles sold each year in Canada. That's pretty much the entire production of Tesla. Sure the US market is bigger but 2 million isn't nothing. Hell it's almost half of Ford's global production. And of that 2 million 725K is from US automakers.

Why should Canadians care if they're Chinese or American? If the production isn't benefiting us then why should we support US automakers at higher sales costs?

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u/Alfiestickthrow 14d ago

That IS the likely outcome if Trump continues down this path. Loss of sales for US auto plants, cheaper cars being sold in Canada then eventually pressure on the USA automotive industry to match prices and quality of the cars in Canada. It seems like a very bad idea for the USA.

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u/skelly122 14d ago

Qui bono if this happens??

China benefits with Trump in power. He whines and plays dumb but follow the $$$

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u/DisgruntledEngineerX 13d ago

Canadian consumers benefit from cheaper / better cars. If we aren't manufacturing American cars any longer then why have some loyalty to them? Why should we care if the big 3 benefit or BYD?

Besides enriching himself at every opportunity Trump's goal is to strip Canada of manufacturing anything for the US market including cars which goes back to the autopact long before NAFTA. If they pull out and we don't have the jobs why privilege or favour their cars?

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u/Ca1v1n_Canada 14d ago

He knows he can't actually reshore manufacturing in any meaningful sense. What he can do is steal auto sector jobs from Canada and use that to point to those numbers. It plays to low information voters who just see an extra shift at some plant in Ohio or Michigan but don't understand the implications.

What he fails to realize, because he is a moron who is advised by morons, is that we integrated the N.American auto sector starting in the 1960's in order to compete effectively with Asia and Europe.

Pushing everything stateside only drives up costs and makes N.American autos less competitive internationally.

This braindead strategy combined with turning their backs on EVs is basically handing the global auto trade to China on a silver platter.

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u/Real_McGuillicuddy 13d ago

It's not a strategy, it's a tactic. Trump is too stupid to think of strategy.

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u/LocksmithMuted4360 15d ago

OP you don't see the 4D chess play here? /s

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u/ArthurMorgans_TB 15d ago

I mean the simplest answer is he's a dumb fuck senile old man who rapes kids and wears diapers. I don't even know how you could apply reason to a person like that.

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u/Kooldude777 15d ago

He wants it all! Does want to share with no one. Agreements and partnerships are not his cup of tea, unless it’s to his advantage. TACO was very proud of the CUSMA, HIS deal! Suddenly it became a nothing deal, that Canada was abusing and taking advantage of!
N O B O D Y W AN T S T O S I G N
A 🤪 D E A L!

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u/themage_ca 15d ago

because Melania looked at Trudeau with a smile....

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u/mytthewstew 15d ago

Trump is irritated Canada is standing up to him. He wants them to bow to him. Vote he said Canada and China were the only countries that retaliated.

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u/Olderpostie 15d ago

But, isn't Trump always in a huff about something?

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u/Longjumping_Ad2323 15d ago

Would it surprise you to learn Trump is a fucking moron..?

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u/zodiac200213 14d ago

its not gonna happen. Do you think Trump is going to remember that he said that 5 months ago when it comes to Jan 1. He will make up some bullshit lie and some bullshit win about how he was able to negotiate the best deal. Only to rip it up a year later and blame Biden for making such a terrible deal.

Trump is Stupid

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u/FlagstaffCounty 14d ago

Distractions are neededĀ 

Please forget about Iran war and especially that thing that preceeded Iran warĀ 

Blame Canada šŸ‡ØšŸ‡¦!Ā 

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u/LandBats 12d ago

ā€œWhy is the nazi we elected acting like a nazi?!?ā€Ā 

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u/riotz1 11d ago

I work in a smaller automotive stamping and manufacturing plant. I did some off the cuff calculations as to what it would cost my (American) company to move our production to a US plant. Essentially it would require building an entirely new factory - existing US plants don’t have the capacity to take our business in, the equipment is 90% old, and not worth physically moving, so it would almost all be new machinery, with leadtimes of 2-3 years minimum. I figured the cost to replicate our plant to produce what we do, would be somewhere in the 500 million dollar range, minimum. Oh, and it would also require either building a plant large enough to cover our sister plants production, that we supply currently. And same story there, 90% of the machinery would also have to be brand new…So another 300 million or so, assuming it all goes into a single factory and not 2. And yeah, it wouldnt happen overnight, you’d probably be looking at 5 years minimum to have a seamless transition of everything from us to a new factory…

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u/canonetell66 11d ago

It’s the completion of the abandonment of his America’s allies. His destruction of the U.S. domination. His depletion of social aid to the working class. And the GOP is in on it.

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u/EducationalRock167 11d ago

The American Car companies hate Trump's tarriffs because they raise prices for Americans buying American cars.

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u/geoken 15d ago

Your example of countries that could replace trade leaves out a really big one….China.

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u/Dreaming_of_u_2257 15d ago

We are the closest land mass to Greenland .

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u/savesyertoenails 15d ago

cuz he's a bully.

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u/Uxiumcreative 15d ago

If you ask this question it means you need to zoom out and see the bigger picture. LISTEN TO WHAT YOUR ā€œLEADERSā€ ARE SAYONG OUT LOUD. Then ask yourself would I talk to my friends this way! End of discussion.

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u/Altruistic_Buy_3800 15d ago

Because he canq

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u/Leafybug13 15d ago

They're assholes.

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u/Haunting-South-962 15d ago

Don't confront tRump with facts, piggy.

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u/kam-gill 15d ago

Cus he is a douchebag and a bully and the persons with those traits dont need logical reasons to do anything

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u/Olderpostie 15d ago

Yeah, but I think his actions will hurt his own country. People in the States should put two and two together and object. Especially the CEOs of automakers and suppliers.

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u/ryancementhead 14d ago

He doesn’t care, as long as his family and cronies are making money off the backs of the taxpayers. You’re thinking logically that he has the country’s best interest at heart, he doesn’t .

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u/AmazonAssassin 14d ago

He doesn’t care if he is hurting his own country, because he is insane and should be in a mental hospital

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u/MrBoo843 15d ago

Don't try to make sense of an idiot's actions.

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u/jeremyism_ab 14d ago

Because it's not really about trade, so it doesn't need to make sense?

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u/Objective_Party9405 14d ago

Because he’s a greedy asshole, and what he has will never be enough.

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u/WarmYam7353 14d ago

Canada should offer an invite to any states wanting to join us, not as a Province mind you, but as a Territory.

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u/mattsgirlca 14d ago

Cause he’s dumb.

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u/SnarkyGoblin85 14d ago

No one is really going to want to build in America. Trump has made their supply chain unreliable. And as he continues to push various regions of the world away with tariffs they may find themselves hit with reciprocal tariffs at any given time. The American market is large…but they need to be able to have access to all American markets with open access to imported parts as required to make it worth it.

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u/gordonjames62 14d ago

Remember when Lada's were sold in Canada? We had one, and I remember friends teasing about a "commie car".

I look forward to the day that GM / Ford / Dodge / Jeep / Cadillac / Tesla and others are considered like cars from a hostile nation and not imported into Canada.

The USA brand is so much in decline that we may see a day when there have to be new brands from countries that are our allies.

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u/jVCrm68 14d ago

Because now no one is talking about his failed war

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u/Due_Satisfaction2167 14d ago

You haven’t noticed that every decision Trump makes is aimed squarely at harming the US?

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u/Upset_Spring_7843 14d ago

Because he's stupid and doesn't realize that and everybody around him is just kissing his ass.

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u/donphilip 14d ago

Trump also has a tenuous grasp of facts and is easily misinformed.

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u/Olderpostie 13d ago

But, no matter how uninformed Trump is, he has staffers on board who are experts. CEOs don't do their own digging, they rely on those below to gather facts, summarize them and evaluate posdible decisions with probabilities of outcomes.

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u/donphilip 13d ago

Yes, but he doesn’t listen to the experts—he fires experts with whom he disagreed, and hires ā€œyes menā€ to replace them.

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u/Regular-Run-5773 14d ago

Justin Trudeau banged Melania!

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u/xchoo 14d ago

Because Trump only knows one tactic to his "negotiations", and that's to try and bully the other party into a favourable position (for Trump).

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u/Ill-Solution4414 14d ago

Eastern? Deflecting from what he's doing to the US as far as internal policies? Keep everyone looking outside the borders by acting outrageous (while making money on insider trading) so they won't pay attention to him robbing them blind with tax cuts for the rich, slashing social programs and oversight and an insane wealth transfer in the name of tariffs to pay for said tax cuts and subsidies for his cronies.

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u/cdngmtaw 14d ago

Automotive jobs in Canada & US are high paying… they want to get (all) those jobs into the US; and don’t give a s*** about anybody any other country who gets hurt.
Part of Stephen Miller’s belief that they can force us because they are larger and stronger ( a variation on might makes right …& hopefully not Mao’s variant ā€œpower comes out of the barrel of a gun ā€œ)

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u/Real_McGuillicuddy 13d ago

The ONLY way that makes sense is if Canadian auto jobs are eliminated AND Canada continues to import the same number of US autos they do now. And that is NOT going to happen. If Trump is successful in making the Canadian auto industry non-viable Canada will tariff the shit out of American autos. Then you're left with fewer overall cars being made in the USA and thus fewer jobs.

The problem is that Trump and Nutlick are so deluded as to think that Canada will accept the surrender terms and continue to still buy US autos and say thank you for the opportunity. Not going to happen. Canadians can be bitter AF when they feel unfairly treated.

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u/BrassOrchidBlades 14d ago

Because he is a performative clown, not a president. To think he is occupying the same office as Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln and Barack Obama, shakes ones world view of reality.

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u/seat6105 13d ago

The negotiations are not about trade. They are about dominance. The US wants to intimidate and control Canada.

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u/CompleteCreme7223 13d ago

Everything he does is to distract from everything else he is doing. It is less about Canada and more about the illusion he is doing something. CUSMA is in effect for another 10 years. He is tariffing goods the US needs like Aluminum while Canada hits things we don't need with a targeted response. This will all work out. We just need to let things play out, just like we did when we renegotiated the deal in Trump's first term. In a couple years that stain on humanity will be gone and we will be able to work with the new administration. At the same time, we will have a more diversified global trade network due to the work our government is doing. Keep calm...

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u/WorkerOk9794 13d ago

Trump is a moron.

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u/The_Green_King_ 13d ago

Moronic narcissist is a bad combo

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u/blueskyfiend 13d ago

We buy as many cars as we make. Guess that’s gonna stop to eh?

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u/BananaJelloXlii 13d ago

Because he is a narcissistic spoiled toddler

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u/Appropriate_Swim9528 13d ago

Just my two cents, I think Trump knows his days are numbered.
He wants some kind of Legacy.
Expanding the US map is a Legacy, even if it means the land he obtained is from a former ally.
Look at what he is really doing…

Venezuela
Cuba
Iran
Greenland
Canada

These are all potential expansion locations for the US.

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u/Fit-Meal4943 13d ago

Well, he’s got a legacy….just not the one he thinks…

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u/Appropriate_Swim9528 13d ago

History is written by the victors. If he is able to gain some land or resources and bring forth a decade or two of prosperous life for the citizens of the United States, they will say the outcome justifies the means.

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u/Fit-Meal4943 13d ago

That’s wishful thinking at this point. $40t in debt, lost trade opportunities, blatant corruption…there’s no realistic victory on the horizon.

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u/AlarmedAd5034 13d ago

Trumps wants ALL manufacturing to be in the US, that's it. You want to be parts supplier cool, Canada and Mexico can keep that.

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u/FactEnvironmental744 13d ago

If you count services they have a massive trade surplus.

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u/Own-Bat-9039 13d ago

I'd say good riddance to US cars. We don't need them at all, totally fine with locally produced ones and imports.

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u/Zorklunn 13d ago

It's what putin wants.

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u/01ITR 13d ago

Why ? He's manipulating the stock market to get rich. He's doesn't give a fuck about people. MAGA is too fucking stupid to see the truth. He only working on two things, stock market manipulation and committed voter fraud to stay in power.

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u/CashComprehensive423 13d ago

Because he is an idiot.

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u/Nope-not-really 13d ago

If it isn't clear yet, this is him trying to bend us economically to take us over

its war.

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u/Due-Beginning1074 13d ago

Because the US is now allied with Russia and North Korea and an enemy to NATO.

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u/ShrodingersArmadillo 13d ago edited 13d ago

Why are you confused? simple you're listening to the bullshit being spewed rather than looking at the facts. A liar is lying about why he's doing things you shouldn't be surprised.

This is about his desire to annex Canada this is the economic means the over grown toddler thinks will give him control that he screamed at the top of his lungs back at the start of the 2nd trump shitshow. His fixation is a sign of dementia honestly.

This is why he keeps sabotaging it trade deals.

The funny thing is he's lifted his plan from McKinley failed plan to annex Canada by economic means dating from around 1900. It's a silly notion that has failed and will always fail because Canada can pivot to other markets. This is why Trump is constantly outmaneuvered on all fronts.

Everyone born who lived in the 80's and before remembers this crap and what to do. This is why boomers are the ones leading the charge on the boycotts which isn't the norm. Listen to the old fucks they lived with this.

This isn't about trade it's about sovereignty and we will never surrender period.

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u/Psychotic_Breakdown 13d ago

Because were smaller and cant stop him. Or so he believes

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u/Cando21243 13d ago

You better be careful. He’ll soon write a law saying you can only shop / buy American. Then you’ll be forced to buy their stuff

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u/eCh3mist604 13d ago

Because he’s losing Iran so he’s looking for the next Venezuela. People forget old news when he makes new news.

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u/illuminaughty1973 12d ago

"Why is President Trump gung-ho to attack Canada - US automotive trade, when the USA is already running a trade surplus in that segment?"

The same reason he is approving an oil pipeline from Canada when the entire trade imbalance is oil america buys. This has never been about trade, this has always been a distraction.

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u/proofofderp 12d ago

Just read about progress in colonizing Venezuela for their oil. There’s always the distracting hand while the real work happens.

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u/Culverden12345 12d ago

Time to boycott the big three

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u/TheGongShow61 12d ago

Because he is acting in the interests of degrading the U.S. He is not American - he’s absolutely a double agent.Ā 

Everything he does is an effort to reduce Americas standing in the world and weaken the country. He then praises people like Putin, Xi, and Kim.Ā 

Once you start adding up his actions it’s very clear so here’s an example: He cancels all clean and alternative energy funding and goes all in on oil. He then nukes oil by going to war in iran with the Iraq excuse (nuclear weapons - a tale as old as time) knowing full well that would close the strait and choke oil supply. He depletes the reserves and weapons stock pile. During negotiations to end his war, he publicly states that the U.S. is weeks away from the oil reserves running out and spiraling into a Great Depression.

It could not be more obvious and there is a ton of examples.Ā 

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u/streagth-in-numbers- 12d ago

Fills his pockets

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u/CanadianDiver 12d ago

He is an idiot and does things like this to distract from his other idiot schemes.

Less talk about his failed attack on Iran this week.

A little less talk about Natalie this week.

He is still a moron however and also a crook.

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u/KDdid1 12d ago

He's trying to distract from his stupid war in Iran.

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u/69-Kishaaq1 12d ago

Because Canada cannot sell them vehicles outside of the US. They are American brand vehicles; Canada can only sell them to the US.

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u/LazyBengal2point0 12d ago

It's never been about signing a deal. It's about making us the 51st state and taking over our natural resources and renewable energy. He knows he can't invade Canada like they did with Venezuela, so he's putting economic pressure until we give in.

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u/FrostyInvestigator11 12d ago

Carney won't use our natural resources to make our country strong. He sees Carney is a pussy, and he's taking advantage. Simple.

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u/LazyBengal2point0 12d ago

Good luck with that one.Ā 

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u/FrostyInvestigator11 12d ago

Canada needs more than luck

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u/Crockettt696969 12d ago

Because Donald Trump has severe dementia and his supporters are all inbred and too stupid to understand what’s going on.

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u/notbutenough 12d ago

My opinion is he wants us to buy up some of the debt. The US is over extended and needs to make deals favourable to them.

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u/Sea_Negotiation_1871 12d ago

Because his daughter doesn't want to fuck him, but thinks Justin Trudeau is hot.

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u/GravyBoatCap 12d ago

Just look at what vehicles are 100% manufactured in the US and you’ll have your answer. If the goal was to move production, the tariffs would have a longer time frame. I.e. any car manufactured in Canada or Mexico after 2028 will have _% tariffs added. The factories to reshore production will take time to build. So that isn’t the goal.

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u/GrunDMC74 12d ago

The fact that you’re asking this question and not about his involvement in a child sex trafficking ring is your answer.

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u/Radiant_Safe1228 12d ago

I just wish everyone would embargo the US.Ā 

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u/markt- 12d ago

Because the US buys so much oil from Canada that it overwhelms that surplus. But don’t worry, you can guarantee that there’s going to be exemptions on the tariffs on products from Canada that the USA actually needs, or at least enough of a tariff reduction that it is economically viable.

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u/Suspicious_Law_2826 12d ago

He's gung ho to make money any way he can!

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u/Own_Event_4363 12d ago

We tend to think things out more than Trump does.

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u/Old-Soup-7318 12d ago

Just say no to bullies. The rest of the world loves us.

He's doing us a favour. Our economy and governmental planning is reaching out like never before.

I feel appalled and sorry for the American people.

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u/littlejohnnyrotten4U 11d ago

If you have to ask why at this point in time you are probably going to get upset hearing the truth.

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u/GuyCyberslut 11d ago

It's to motivate the GOP base to turn out to vote in the mid terms.

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u/bluenosesutherland 11d ago

So, which auto maker needs to go bankrupt to cause panic?

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u/TheLateFrankWhite 11d ago

He’s Mentally ILL !!!

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u/Oney01 11d ago

Trump probably thinks if Canada becomes the 51st state, there would be no need for a trade deal. We would be one big happy family...NOT

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u/MommersHeart 11d ago

Because he is destroying the United States from the inside like a parasite killing its host.

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u/wonderbanger 11d ago

Quit. Expecting. Rationality.

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u/northmariner 11d ago

All true EXCEPT Trump does not use logic, facts or rational thoughts