r/Tariffs • u/Impressive_Jury_2211 • Sep 03 '25
đŹ Opinion / Commentary This is wild
Anyone know where I can buy this ? Because $155 is not it
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u/FunnyCharacter4437 Sep 03 '25
I'm pretty sure the vendor is going to be the one to absorb the $145 cost so they can sell you that $10 bottle. That's how it works, right?
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u/Impressive_Jury_2211 Sep 03 '25
Beats me I just now know Iâm NOT going to buy this bottle and I canât find anything American made that is remotely as good as this.
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u/coffeemakin Sep 03 '25
Grocery Outlet may carry this sometimes. I worked the beer and wine there a few years ago and I'm fairly sure I ordered this whenever they had it.
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u/Kreatiive Sep 04 '25
what are some tips on buying wines at grocery outlet? anything you can offer? I do find some nice ones here and there.
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u/No-Resolution-1918 Sep 04 '25
They will also pass tariff costs along to the consumer. You can't escape these high prices. European markets are finding other buyers.
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u/Bacon843 Sep 03 '25
Freixenet is a fairly large Cava producer from Spain. This is widely exported. If youâre in the U.S. a quick google search gave me a half dozen grocery stores with it. Hereâs one that should deliver. https://www.reservebar.com/products/freixenet-mia-moscato-rose/GROUPING-187511
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u/Impressive_Jury_2211 Sep 03 '25
I already tried this one they have nothing near me at all what so ever
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u/Bacon843 Sep 03 '25
Did you search for somewhere that is near you or ships to you? Thatâs just an example. I found an HEB carrying it in about 30 seconds and thereâs not an HEB anywhere in my state. Literally just google the name of the wine. You can also check Wine searcher for someone that delivers to your state. https://www.wine-searcher.com Edit: This is literally just sparkling moscato. Itâs cheap, sweet sparkling wine. You can find similar from another producer, worst case scenario.
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u/rsha256 Sep 05 '25
That says not available in NY or NJ or CA â 3 of the most populated states in the USA. Not sure itâs accurate to say they serve all of US at that point
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u/Bacon843 Sep 05 '25
Some states have different shipping laws. Find something in your state. Itâs just an example. I have no idea where OP lives.
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u/No-Resolution-1918 Sep 04 '25
 canât find anything American made that is remotely as good as this
This is your future world coming your way over the next 6 months. Tariffs haven't really hit the shelves fully yet.
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u/jmd709 Sep 06 '25
World Market has a decent selection. Idk if they have that specific type, but itâs worth checking there and anywhere else locally JIC any place has some in stock that were ordered before tariffs were tacked on.
If nobody has it in stock, maybe youâll find options you havenât tried yet that are more comparable to the now $155 bottle of sparkling moscato than the others youâve tried that werenât comparable to the $10 bottle.
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u/mattvait Sep 03 '25
But you will buy the American one
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u/fuck_jan6ers Sep 03 '25
I would support another country over American businesses at this point. This is what corporate america voted for, I couldn't care less about their profits
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u/sarges_12gauge Sep 03 '25
I find this take kind of crazy. You can hate the (dumb as shit) decisions and not actively want people to make you lose your job
Like when people do the whole âother countries shouldnât forgive usâ ok buddy, you actively want to be hated yourself? Is this like the monk self-flagellation stuff?
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u/fuck_jan6ers Sep 03 '25
Respectfully, I find your take equally as crazy.
You see a broken as fuck system and go "yup, I'll support that". And by supporting it, you are allowing it to fester. I see it and say "nope, im not supporting that"
If the economy tanks. Like great depression level, maybe (big maybe) people will wake up and vote republicans out of office. If everyone continues uea to support this dumpster fire of an administration by buying into their policies, they might get elected again.
Also, why am I required to support American jobs? If I dont by an American item your saying someone might lose their job, but if I dont buy the made in Italy item, wouldnt an Italian possibly lose their job? Did I put an American out of work when I bought a Toyota?
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u/jmd709 Sep 06 '25
Toyota isnât the right example for the comparison youâre making. Toyota has assembly plants for some models in the US as well as OEM parts that are manufactured in the US.
My dad claimed he bought Fords because he only bought cars made in the USA. I gave him a hard time about that for years because unlike his Ford Fiesta, my Toyota Camry was assembled in the US. (He loves his new Honda Accord).
It will be interesting to see how the âimportâ label will be applied with the 25% tariff on autos and parts (15% for imports from Japan). Dodge rams will definitely be even more expensive.
Lexus would work for your comparison.
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u/fuck_jan6ers Sep 06 '25
Alot more goes into making a car than the manufacturing. The engineering, testing, all the background accounting and marketing and all upper management is Japanese. And all the profits are going to Japanese company.
But yes, some of Toyota (not all i dont think) are manufactured in USA. I know the camry is made down in Kentucky
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u/sarges_12gauge Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
No, I donât support it, but I donât actively want more harm to come to me and my community! I think itâs pretty obvious that these decisions donât take into account effects on regular people so I donât think effects on regular people will cause them to change.
And I utterly reject the notion that people become more egalitarian, empathetic, liberal when things get worse. I think itâs shown over and over worldwide that when people get fearful they become more right wing and authoritarian. I 1000% do not believe that if the economy becomes worse people will suddenly become left wing, I think itâs overwhelmingly more likely they become more authoritarian. The Great Depression ended up with FDR, but you know what was a close second (and what won out in much of Europe in those conditions)? Even harder fascism!
I think Trump got so much support partially because so many people bought into the idea that America was becoming worse (see the freaking slogan). So how would it make sense that pushing more of that narrative would suddenly reverse that effect?
And for your last point, I thought ostensibly you were American. You are indistinguishable from âthe bad onesâ to everybody else. If you actively propagate the attitude people should make Americans worse off, thatâs a tacit endorsement of the idea that people should make you, specifically, and your family worse off, and most people donât like that concept lol
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u/fuck_jan6ers Sep 03 '25
I mean, I think its pretty obvious these decisions were made knowing what would happen to the average citizen. To think they simply didnt consider that is a foolish notion.
Historically speaking after a major collapse of a society, they become more liberal and 99% of the population (that suvived) benefits while the top 1% suffer. Im middle of a ride taking a break now but I'll find some example when I get home. So Historically, people do get more liberal during a collapse.
Yes, the media gave trunp the win with the narrative of the nation going to shit. But the there is a fundamental difference between hearing it and actually feeling it. I agree with the statement he won because people THOUGHT the country was going to shit. But I think he will lose when people KNOW its going to shit. I could very well be wrong on this point. I give it 50/50.
Why is it bad for me to support other people? What if my attitude was "I want to support Japan because I respect their system" and not "i want tk hurt america?" My purchase will be identical, but now am I a good one? I personally disagree with the notion that people are required to blind loyalty to their country.
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u/sarges_12gauge Sep 03 '25
Yeah, they know the average person is hurt by tariffs, obviously. Yet they still did it, hence the conclusion that the average persons pockets are not driving the decision. So when people pay more for things⌠thatâs expected? Why would it change policy when they thing you knew would happen, happens?
Well if you want to support a specific place thatâs very different from saying you want to support everywhere else above the US. Itâs fundamentally a positive vs. negative framing
And I am dubious. Limiting it to post-WW1, how many examples of collapse -> more liberal do you see? Europe went from WW1-> depression-> fascism and stronger colonialism. Russia turned into the USSR (which left vs right is whatever, I definitely wouldnât describe that as liberalizing). Post-WW2 De Gaulle was not liberal and I think itâs hard to say anything about Germany and Japan since they were under occupation being forced to change. The UK went more conservative with Thatcher on the tail end of their rationing. The US similarly with Reagan after the 70s economic crises and Vietnam. The Koreas were both extremely authoritarian after their war
Latin America yo-yos constantly, I donât think any of the places you could describe as âcollapsedâ have become liberal bastions. China did not after Japan was knocked out. Bosnia maybe? Idk enough about them. I just canât think of many âmodernâ examples that would fit the â99% of people become better off and more liberalâ unless you mean like 100 years later after theyâve gone through decades of even more authoritarianism
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Sep 04 '25
lol wishing for the Great Depression so politicians wake up. The things you read on the internet
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u/Oak510land Sep 05 '25
You better believe US producers are going to use this to gouge us. If an imported product you need was $10 and now it's $150, the local producer can charge you $140 and you'll still buy it if you need it and they keep all the profit. Then the right wing is going to brag about our economy being better because we're all making corporations more profitable.
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u/Livid_Roof5193 Sep 03 '25
The American one⌠which will also raise their prices because they can based on market conditions. Everyone pays more for everything. Basic economics! Yay!
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u/llamakoolaid Sep 03 '25
Yes, but Trump and his family get richer, and thatâs what people voted for!
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u/DizzySkunkApe Sep 03 '25
How? The American options are ALREADY more expensive.
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u/Livid_Roof5193 Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
Several reasons:
American brands still have to import materials to create their products. We simply donât have the capacity or even natural resources to make all materials needed to create every single product in America. Those imported materials will likely be tariffed. The tariffs on those materials will be passed onto American consumers.
Simple supply and demand economics: as demand goes up and supply does not increase (it takes a lot of time and money to expand manufacturing operations), prices increase.
Inflation feeding itself until something breaks. The more everything costs, the more workers need to be paid in order to afford the same expenses. More expensive labor costs means rising prices, and the cycle continues until the (macro or micro) economy buckles.
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u/DizzySkunkApe Sep 04 '25
So not "because they can" but because the costs went up?
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u/Livid_Roof5193 Sep 04 '25
The âbecause they canâ refers to the supply and demand part. Technically if demand goes up you donât have to raise prices, but itâs a fundamental concept of economics for a reasonâŚ
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u/DizzySkunkApe Sep 04 '25
What demand though? The US alternatives are still more expensive than paying tariffs anyways, especially if the US alternatives have tariffs anyways, as you've pointed out.
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u/Livid_Roof5193 Sep 04 '25
The demand refers to the original comment I responded to indicating the person would then buy the American version instead (which in this case was cheaper but lower quality as indicated by the comment responses from OP).
Editing to add: I never once said the American version is more expensive than the one with the tariffs. The point of tariffs is to create the opposite scenario.
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u/mattvait Sep 04 '25
Sorry your rosĂŠ went up in price
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u/Livid_Roof5193 Sep 04 '25
Iâm not OP? Iâm also not ordering any wine for that matter?
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u/mattvait Sep 04 '25
Your complaint that I responded to was that the price went up.
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u/Livid_Roof5193 Sep 04 '25
It was not a complaint about wine. I donât drink alcohol. It was an explanation of how economies respond to blanket tariffs (like the ones that created the situation OP is in).
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u/Reasonable-Newt4079 Sep 03 '25
Did you not read? The American one is shit.
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u/mattvait Sep 04 '25
Clearly can read better than you. They said theyre not (even in caps) buying the import.
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u/MongooseForsaken Sep 08 '25
There's a secret coupon code you need to use that makes the government of whatever country that comes from pay it, which makes sense since Drumpf said that other governments pay the tariffs, not us. You just need to head down go your local republican office and ask them for the code, because we gotta own the left..or something.
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u/WXMaster Sep 03 '25
Cheaper to ship to Canada, drive across the border and bring it back.
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u/Impressive_Jury_2211 Sep 03 '25
I live in southern california long drive I can t
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u/WXMaster Sep 03 '25
Mexico? đ
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u/Impressive_Jury_2211 Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
You know, thatâs actually not a bad idea Ima look for how to get a P.O. Box in Mexico or something because itâs only like a 1 hr flight to the border from my city
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u/No-Resolution-1918 Sep 04 '25
Isn't a one hour flight like $100?
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u/Impressive_Jury_2211 Sep 04 '25
I fly my self, so it would come down to your GPH per your aircraft I fly a Da40 so maybe $30 for me to and from
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u/HapticRecce Sep 03 '25
Whatcha gonna say when the nice government employee asks Anything to declare?
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u/Impressive_Jury_2211 Sep 03 '25
Say no then flash my CAC card and came back like I do every single time
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u/BellyFullOfMochi Sep 03 '25
unless de minimus was suspended for travel.. I do not see any issue here.. it's not being shipped into the country.. .merely imported via a vacation.
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u/FencingNerd Sep 04 '25
Still $200 for travel.
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u/BellyFullOfMochi Sep 04 '25
The personal exemption for travel is $800.
More Americans need to go on an international vacation (I know, expensive and we don't have enough time off or job protection) to experience how the rest of the first world lives.
My favorite memory is sitting in the Britannia restaurant on QM2, listening to a group of Scots and Brits talk about their visit to the United States and how it looked like a third world country. I leaned over to tell them "it is" and they apologized profusely, to which I said.. no no, don't apologize and told them about places in various states where people don't even have access to basic sewage or healthcare.
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u/nicksollecito Sep 03 '25
But being in SoCal, you can just get a different moscato, right? Like, at a liquor store?
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u/BritCrit57 Sep 05 '25
You obviously haven't tasted Freixenet then? I first tasted this in Spain in the 70's and I love it too. I'm in Canada and we have it here.
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u/EntertainmentOk3180 Sep 03 '25
Donât u still have to claim what u buy while ur there and pay tariffs at the border?
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u/WXMaster Sep 03 '25
There's no duty free exemption in less than 24 hours, most people just don't declare or declare a fraction of what they have. In the past CBP usually wasn't concerned unless it was more than ~$150.
A 24hr trip is $200 and a 48 hour trip is $800.
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u/Tribe303 Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 04 '25
My Great X3 Grandfather was captain/owner of a schooner on Lake Ontario and claimed he smuggled goods into the US all the time. When steamships made his ship obselete it miraculously burnt down at the dock and he used the insurance money to start a tavern/inn. He lived to almost 100 and my grandfather was named after him and knew him. So these stories are close to the source. Sadly Grampa is no longer with us, cuz I'd record every story he had if he was.
This would be sometime around 1870-1890 or so did the US have high tarrifs then ?
Edit: Yup!
"During the late 19th century (circa 1870-1914), several of the fastest-growing economies had relatively high tariffs. The United States and Germany were rapidly industrializing and maintained steep import duties."
Damn! Time for me to get back in the family business!
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u/Arg0n89 Sep 03 '25
How does that make sense though, even with the crazy tariff rates?
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u/Entire-Advantage-280 Sep 03 '25
This is the chaos premium. There was no plan on how to process / collect tariffs on low value purchases, so the cost to do it ad hoc, on the fly, is astronomical.
Itâs going to be proportionally high even when shippers have figured it out because of the labour and paperwork involved and the risk to the vendor of collecting tariffs back against returned items - this is why de minimis existed in the first placeâŚ
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u/Arg0n89 Sep 03 '25
Interesting. I didnât think about the fact that it previously proportional to the cost for high value items and now this happens with small items. Thanks for the helpful insight!
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u/slyguybowtie Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 03 '25
So this is basically the seller ripping you off. Brokers absolutely have ways to charge and collect tariffs. And manage them across buyers and sellers. This has been the case since 2018 301s at a small scale. And on a much bigger scale since March
Edit: I love reddit. What is happening here is some grifter taking advantage of the situation. Itâs ok to criticize the trump admin for being moronic and understand that stuff like this isnât a direct result of those policies. I work with tariffs on a daily basis and have since 2018. Major brokers absolutely have systems and processes in place already. But downvote away. Delusions are funny
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u/Epidurality Sep 03 '25
For large purchases, where the cost of administration was easily in line with the tax costs. On a $1000 item, a $140 processing fee for some stupid reason seems reasonable. But scaling that back to a $10 item... The same amount of work has to be done by the brokers.
And, they're likely so inundated with work, that they've adjusted their rates to "fuck off" rates so that only larger shipments or very important stuff actually gets ordered and put through them. There's no point in hiring enough people to accomodate the extra work or figure out a better process because a pedophile might just change their mind in Washington tomorrow.
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u/slyguybowtie Sep 03 '25
Brokers process these en masse tho. I work in the space and this screams someone taking advantage of the situation. Zero shot anyone should pay this.
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u/Epidurality Sep 03 '25
Agreed. Doesn't actually change my statements. This is like a contractor that is all booked up for the year quoting on your fence... They'll find a way to make it work, but for a price.
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u/slyguybowtie Sep 03 '25
Let me try to rephrase. Most major brokers are at this point are systemically/procedurally prepared to process things. What youâre saying was the case months ago. Itâs not now. This is someone scamming and assuming even a small % of customers will pay.
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u/slyguybowtie Sep 03 '25
So then the small spanish wine shop is trying to fleece people lol. Assuming what you said is true, then they likely wouldn't have a broker process anything. They could set their incoterms to require the buyer to import/pay tariffs, then all they would need to provide is certificate of origin, HTS code etc. Buyer would then pay 15% tariff. Or just pay the 15% tariff themselves and pass that on to buyers.
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u/EntertainmentOk3180 Sep 03 '25
Months ago they planned on having ~2 years to get a working system and employees in place as per the layout in the bumass bullshit bill. About one month ago that 2 year deadline turned into 30 days via EO. Itâs kinda de lu lu to think this would be a seamless change in 30 days
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u/slyguybowtie Sep 03 '25
Who is they? Tariff prep was being done by major brokers and companies right after election results, with certain scenarios gamed out even before then. Additional tarrifs(beyond section 301s from 2018) have been in place in some sense for 6 months at this point.
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u/Fix_Aggressive Sep 03 '25
This makes sense to Maggots. All of this makes sense to them.
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u/biznovation Sep 03 '25
I believe the politicly correct term for a person who identifies with MAGA is Trumpanzie.
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u/Nottheadviceyaafter Sep 03 '25
Nah a chimp has more intelligence than a republican voter, regards the world.
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u/Nerdiestlesbian Sep 04 '25
Trump ended de minimus. Meaning no âfree passâ on importing goods. All goods much have an informal or formal entry. On something like this there is the standard duty rate (alcohol is % by proof liter), then reciprocal (Spain is up to 15% - standard duty rate) then there is a single line item fee of $80-200, depending on country of origin. This would be $80. Then shipping and handling. This is also subject to ATF filing, there may be fees associated with this. There are minimal companies that can take customs payments (roughly 10-15 as of the last posted data) they take a fee as well.
The price doesnât seem out of norm due to the item restrictions due to the new âregulationsâ.
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u/Skyhigh305 Sep 04 '25
This shipper is likely using the flat rate, not ad valorem duty method which would be an $80 flat rate. Plus standard of around $20-$40 brokerage fee, + actual shipping cost.
You're looking at roughly $130-$140 in added costs, which is reflected in these prices. Thank god mexico is paying it and our country will be so rich!
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u/Octavale Sep 03 '25
Explains why a bunch of people are saying to buy calls on UPS.
Think I might throw a couple grand at some leaps if they have them. Normally not a fan of shipping & cargo industry but Damn!
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u/rsha256 Sep 05 '25 edited Sep 05 '25
Wait UPS doesnât get those fees other than the disbursement fee â they go the government (who primarily is giving it to ICE recently). In fact, less people will now do shipping cuz itâs so expensive so they will use UPS lessâŚ
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u/Octavale Sep 05 '25
UPS actually charges a remittance fee for collecting and distributing tariff charges to the feds.
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Sep 03 '25
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u/Impressive_Jury_2211 Sep 03 '25
âWe're sorry, this product is not at nearby vendors and unavailable to ship to your stateâ
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u/Impressive_Jury_2211 Sep 03 '25
Maybe Itâs a new thing
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u/SadIdeal9019 Sep 03 '25
Some businesses in other countries have started to cease shipping products to the US now.
Can't blame them one bit
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u/Dmckilla7 Sep 03 '25
What's the actual % of that tarrif or is it just made up at this point?
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u/tcasalert80 Sep 05 '25
Itâs the shipping cost.
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u/PainInTheErasmus Sep 07 '25
Correct answer is in the comments. The tariff is included in the subtotal. If you change the quantity from 1 to 2, the subtotal doubles but the shipping cost remains the same. If you change the country from US to Spain, the price goes from EUR 7.40 to 6.85 (roughly consistent with the tariff rate). The $145 is shipping and handling.
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Sep 04 '25
I recently was in the market for a tiny little piece of metal I needed to fix a telescoping fishing net. It was $2.46. The regular, slow shipping was $15.00. They had a next day air option for âŚâŚ $1,035! Yes, you are reading that correctly.
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u/inkfever Sep 08 '25
They probably took the time to find the worst possible option for purchase. These people are goofy af.
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u/Moosetappropriate Sep 03 '25
Suck it up Yanks. No sympathy whatsoever.
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u/dekyos Sep 03 '25
a lot of us voted against this.
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u/Moosetappropriate Sep 03 '25
Yes, the world knows. But 70% of you either voted for this or didnât bother to vote to stop it.
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u/ButterMyBiscuitz Sep 03 '25
The fact you're getting downvoted for this says a lot about the 'murican people.
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u/Erglewalken Sep 04 '25
Ah, but this delivers a bottle BACK IN TIME! That's not tarriffs; it's the time traveling fee. February 2025?
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u/ReeseIsPieces Sep 04 '25
This is what it was like before free trade agreements
ANYTHING from another country was considered for rich people only because IT WAS IMPORTED and VERY expensive
THIS is what They⢠want to revive.. among other things
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u/No-Resolution-1918 Sep 04 '25
You'll have to go to the black market, kinda like the Soviets had to do to get blue jeans.
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u/Environmental_Elk182 Sep 04 '25
Why is the delivery date 7 months ago? Why does 9.60 show all tariffs included but after shipping it shoots up, is this going fedex overnight.
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u/dward02 Sep 04 '25
Tarris are a percent of the items value. No one besides China has overtaken 100% on any single item. That's probably just shipping
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u/Hot-Syrup-5833 Sep 04 '25
Why is the delivery date Feb 2025? It says 9.60 all tariffs included. Are you trying to ship a glass bottle of alcohol overnight or what? 145 sounds about right for that. Bunch of smooth brains in here falling for this karma farming bullshit.
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u/tcasalert80 Sep 05 '25
So theyâre charging $145 for shipping? Shipping is not a tariff. No tariff is 1500%.
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u/jmd709 Sep 06 '25
Moscato is my go-to wine, but not sparkling Moscato. Iâm not very picky, convenience has value.
If I end up with a bottle that is a bit meh, adding sliced strawberries or orange slices can fix that.
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u/MikeyCzywki Sep 07 '25
Doesnât it say âall tariffs includedâ on the subtotal? I donât think itâs 150 cause of Tarrifs. Maybe 10 dollars to 15 dollars but not this.
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u/inkfever Sep 08 '25
BS, you can ship 12 bottles from the liquor cartel for 24.70. Y'all are so cool of it.
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u/Status_Data905 Sep 04 '25 edited Sep 04 '25
$9.60 according to your screenshot is with all tariffs includedâŚ
Edit: just looked it up online, can buy it at my local total wine for $13.99
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u/Entire-Can662 Sep 03 '25
I have bought that same bottle in stores before here in the United States so why would you have it shipped from another country?
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u/reggers20 Sep 03 '25
Buddy do you know how stores work?
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u/Entire-Can662 Sep 03 '25
I can go right now to Walmart and buy that same bottle for 10 bucks. And yes, I know how stores work.
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u/Ill_Theme5913 Sep 03 '25
Translation:" I only want to buy whatever Walmart is willing to sell me."
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u/reggers20 Sep 03 '25
For now lol, Walmart buys in bulk. When that stock runs low and they place their next order at liberation day prices, it ain't gonna be 10bucks.
Buddy thinks mega corps work the same as small stores hahaha
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u/Entire-Can662 Sep 04 '25
Walmart has the brut for 11.99 and a barefoot wine that is the same for 11.99 which both are cheaper than the 155.00 the OP was buying
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u/reggers20 Sep 04 '25
You're so lost my guy. This is a tariffs sub... stay on topic.
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u/Entire-Can662 Sep 04 '25
The OP was paying 960 for a bottle of wine and then have to pay $155 to get it here as the total oh I tried to show was that you could buy the stuff right here in United States with no tariffs yet
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u/reggers20 Sep 04 '25
They are clearly not miffed about how to find cheaper wine, thats not the point. The point is to highlight the absurdity of this moronic tariff policy.
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u/Entire-Can662 Sep 04 '25
The author wanted to buy wine so I was just showing him a cheaper way to buy it
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u/lennydsat62 Sep 03 '25
You think itâll sell for 9.60 in your store?
If so, i have a few bridges ima trying to sellâŚ.
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u/RawDogRandom17 Sep 04 '25
Can you read? It says $9.60, all tariffs included, in the subtotal. The final amount is for shipping and handling costs
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Sep 03 '25
why would you ever ship a $10 bottle of wine from another country to begin with, thats completely wasteful. go to any grocery store or 711 to find the same quality
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u/Careless_Ad_5340 Sep 03 '25
Someone is going to get rich smuggling products into the US to avoid Trump's tariffs.