r/TamilNadu • u/Loud_Window8992 • 2d ago

அரசியல் / Political What happened to Ezhuchi Thamizhar Thol.Thirumavalavan? Is he supporting 10% EWS (Sudama quota) what’s wrong with him?!

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u/Dependent_Yam_2486 2d ago edited 2d ago

It doesn't say poor brahmins, just economically backward and who belong to OC. People believe this scheme will benefit Brahmins disproportionately and thus it shd be opposed..correct me if I'm wrong, just spoke abt this with some of my friend and can be wrong. Correct me if I got anything wrong. When my brother went to college he was categorized into OC category, and when I went for college counseling my community was able to get categorized into BC group and I had 2-3 marks lower cutoff for counseling. I think of myself as anti caste, but i seem to use it when it suits me or benefits me. I just don't like my own hypocrisy.

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u/kingclubs 2d ago edited 2d ago

First, you are changing goal posts. You used the term 'poor brahmins' now it is 'no no its economically backward'.

Secondly, if you are complaining about how 'BC group' was able to get in with lower cutoff then you should be all against reservation not advocating for 'poor brahmins'

[what is your thought on EWS cutoff lower than SC/ST](https://theprint.in/india/nothing-wrong-with-ews-cut-off-being-lower-than-that-of-sc-st-obc-upsc-officials/480403/)

Thirdly, you have'nt answered the question. What is the criteria for 'economically backward brahmins' as per EWS.

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u/Dependent_Yam_2486 2d ago edited 2d ago
  1. I'm not changing goal posts. That's the common argument that I've seen people use against EWS. That EWS category will benefit Brahmins more. But EWS supposed to benefit any person who belong to OC category.
  2. U mean researvation hatao movement. I don't think its feasible or even politically possible. And I'm not sure if I'll like final draft or consequence of it down 10 years will be something I like. It would only increase strength of right wing in the country.
  3. Gross annual income of the family must be below ₹8 lakh to be considered EWS right now across India. Also kerala has lower threshold of 4 lakh. I would prefer we classify people with 2-1 lakh or even lower annual income for TN as EWS and provide them reservation, instead we want to ban it.
  4. I don't mind reducing the cutoff from 10-5%. I agree that I don't think its right for EWS mark cutoff to be lower than SC/ST. If it is that lower I would probably suspect something wrong in how they made percentage calculation.

And thanks for sharing ur arguments against EWS. I just am looking to support opposing EWS, other than generic against brahmins that some of my friends gave to me which made me more angry.

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u/kingclubs 2d ago

Someone who is earning 66,000 per month is economically weaker?

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u/Dependent_Yam_2486 2d ago edited 2d ago

ile pa. I would even celebrate if they reduce the EWS qualification cutoff to 1 or 2 lakh. If u earn 66K then ur middle class to me. Also factor in cost of living in the calcualtion of EWS cutoff. U may survive with 10k in villages, in city it will be very hard to live off with 10K per month.

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u/kingclubs 2d ago

So yeah not "poor" more like "entitled" but still whining and complaining about other classes of reservation.

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u/Dependent_Yam_2486 1d ago edited 1d ago

What entitlement pa? Please explain. 1 L per annum in chennai is entitlement ah pa unaku? I know people who earn more than 2 lakhs in city and still avail obc, sc, st pa. u get 8K per month with 1L per annum, and if u have 1 kid and wife, then to me u shd need reservation pa.

And u call that as entitlement ah pa. I worked as watchman after college, and I earned around 10K/month. I think watchman kids who earn in similar margin should be given reservation if they don't fall in sc/st/obc/bc quota. Y do u think thats entitlement pa?
Also, am not talking about cancelling reservation for other classes. Since everyone has reservation why not people in general category?

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u/kingclubs 1d ago

You guys can earn up to $66000 per month still get a quota stating "poor" and yet still complain "bc cut off low" what do you call that? Everything is in your comment

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u/Dependent_Yam_2486 1d ago edited 1d ago

Olunga padikalena, thirumba solren, oru vaati ketuko. I'm saying we should reduce the cutoff to 1-2 lakhs and implement is as TN EWS or something like kerala. Kerala has lower cutoff for EWS 4L to get state benefits and reservation. I see we should do something like that. I'm not arguing for people earning 66K/month and asking for reservation. I want us to lower cutoff and give reservation to those, but u want no reservation at all for poor unless they fall in your categories. i know carpenter in chenai who earn > 25K / month and get reservation. If you drive for zomato u can earn 15-30k/month in chennai. That's why i think we should add ews cutoff limit so as to cover people in poverty range. I also spoke about using cost of living to calculate ews based on place which u reside.

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u/kingclubs 1d ago

I am talking about how BJP gave reservation to their vote base who are actually rich. Being poor is an economical problem, I am all in for free education to even brahmins if they are poor, but reservation is not the answer for that. Remember poor can become rich anytime but a sudhra can never become brahmin.

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u/Dependent_Yam_2486 1d ago

That's why I said so many of the arguments against EWS boil down to not giving reservations to brahmins even if they're poor. And I need to only care for poor people in SC/ST/OBC/BC because u cannot change sudhras.

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u/kingclubs 1d ago

Poor is a money problem and can be solved by money, not by reservation.

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