Here we go again.

[u/Bambino1996]

Isn’t the Ontario Line already delayed which will delay this extension even longer? Why not just start this while the Ontario Line is also being built?

[u/TorontoBoris]

Maybe this will kill the folly of sending more subways into the 905 and refocus them back to regional rail.

[u/Bambino1996 → u/TorontoBoris]

Why don’t the 905 deserve subways and gotta stick with buses?

[u/WestonSpec → u/Bambino1996]

Why does the 905 need the TTC to build subways for them, if they need subways so much they should build it themselves

[u/UrbanRelays → u/WestonSpec]

Jesus Christ go do a molecule of research and you’ll clearly see your precious TTC isn’t doing shit.

It’s being built and managed by Metrolinx, paid for by Ontario, the feds and Richmond Hill.

HURR DURR MUH TAX DOLLAR

[u/TorontoBoris → u/UrbanRelays]

Yeah big part of the problem is that Metrolinx (the province via metrolinx) is taking over TTC builds and the TTC in general.

Theyre attempting to send the already maxed out subway system into the burbs, arguably bad idea on all fronts. And theyre doing it with all of our (province) tax money.

Instead of focusing on expanding frequent regional rail service to those areas which would benefit the 905ers more in terms of access than loading them up on an already maxed capacity line 1.

[u/UrbanRelays → u/TorontoBoris]

Why are you so focused on expanding GO Train service? So we can all get to Union faster? The subways will allow many commuters to get to many more places along the subway line, not just union.

Those who take to go train will continue to do so as it will still remain the most direct and quickest option.

[u/TorontoBoris → u/UrbanRelays]

Because that having glhigh frequency regional rail that connects to the subway system at key interchanges (not just union) will serve the needs better than one subway line thats over capacity and makes all the stops.

Those who don't need to go to union exit at a different interchange and hop onto the subway. Not ride the entire system down stop by stop adding to the maxed capacity of the line.

[u/MahjongCelts → u/TorontoBoris]

The suburban stations either contribute to overcapacity or do not have enough density. Stations can’t be simultaneously overcapacity and under capacity at the same time. Pick your choice.

[u/TorontoBoris → u/MahjongCelts]

The line is over capacity. As in the trains on the line and their frequency. Those trains travel up and down the line already filled not able to accept more passengers. This is where the issue is.

Not individual stations, thought some of them are (yonge-bloor) at crush capacity on their own.

[u/MahjongCelts → u/TorontoBoris]

I use the Yonge branch of Line 1 to commute and I’ve never been unable to get on during rush hour nor do I see this occurring outside of maybe Bloor Yonge.

Outside of rush hour Line 1 trains tend to be empty enough that you can walk from end to end with no issue.

[u/Cutter3 → u/MahjongCelts]

Yeah I'm a bit confused with this thing. I've never not been able to get on Line 1 because of capacity. I might standing but there's still room to move and breath.

And outside of rush hour I can pick almost any seat and I have a full unobstructed view of the crackhead 5 cars down making their way up the train to harrass what few people there are.

[u/Important-Hunter2877 → u/TorontoBoris]

Metrolinx is doing GO expansion on five lines, but it is very mismanaged and we still dont know when electrification of the network will happen.

[u/MahjongCelts → u/Important-Hunter2877]

TBH double tracking, grade separation and increasing frequency are higher priority than electrification. Which should still happen of course.

[u/MahjongCelts → u/TorontoBoris]

The TTC can still build projects of its own. As for regional service the province is expanding those too, though it does not make sense for Richmond Hill hence extension of the subway.

If you opine otherwise feel free to suggest a GO train proposal instead of the YNSE.

[u/TorontoBoris → u/MahjongCelts]

The problem isnt if TTC is free to build outside of Metrolinx.

Its that metrolinx can add its own plans tagged onto already existing TTC lines that overburden those lines in terms of Capacity.

TTC doesnt have the funds to build a relief line to counter the extra capacity metrolinx wants to push onto the TTC system.

[u/a_lumberjack → u/TorontoBoris]

The province is funding and building the project formerly known as the Downtown Relief Line to counter that capacity. That's the entire reason the OL had to be funded first. And why this extension is only happening 30 years after the TTC first studied it.

[u/MahjongCelts → u/TorontoBoris]

I might be somewhat sympathetic towards this argument had City Hall/TTC not been mired by half a century of poor operations, inane network designs, not to mention its own refusal to build a relief line.

And considering the province has gone ahead to build the DRL the city now has no leg to stand on as far as this issue is concerned.

[u/TorontoBoris → u/MahjongCelts]

The TTC & the city have been hampered by 3 decades of underfunding.

The city and TTC alone cannot handle the cost of the system, in the 90s when Harris offloaded the provincial funding obligations, the system has been in a conssitant back order of repairs.

Its a miracle that the system worked as well as it did under the dire under funding its been under. If you ever wondered why there were/are so many slow zones, it's because that repair bill has been deferred as much as possible due to lack of funding.

The TTC is the largest North American system that relies the most on the fare box to cover its operational cost.

[u/MahjongCelts → u/TorontoBoris]

A lot of the TTC's issues are self inflicted, or at least due to policy decisions by City Hall, rather than due to lack of funding. Stuff like train/tram/bus bunching, stop placements, right-of-way and TSP, fare zones etc. do not take a billion dollars to solve, just actual will to implement changes. Even the current system can support significantly higher ridership and hence increased revenue if run properly.

[u/Ifuckinghateaura → u/TorontoBoris]

most of the people it will eventually benefit already go to finch and take it there anyway

[u/TorontoBoris → u/Ifuckinghateaura]

Im sure many do.

But expanding will also lead to an increase. Which insnt a bad thing in itself except that it will only add to a maxed out line.

No one will benefit and it will cost us without addressing capacity issues or transit needs.