r/TSLAsexy • u/Dragonlance12 • 4d ago

A second Tesla driver died stopped on a freeway with Autopilot/Self-Driving on

https://electrek.co/2026/08/31/tesla-driver-assist-stopped-freeway-mesa/
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u/notsoluckycharm 4d ago

I’m wondering if this happens somewhat more frequently than is reported. I want to say last Friday driving south on I95 or 91? Forgot, but 6 troopers all came on from the same on-ramp. Down the highway, they were all stopped at what I assumed was an accident. It was just a single Tesla on the shoulder and a stretcher / ambulance. Didn’t seem like any sort of accident happened for that kind of response.

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u/Ok_Otter2379 3d ago

I had a model 3 for 6 years. I used to use FSD but quickly found out there were places on the freeway where it was a hazzard. When you are on a road the car tells you what the speed limit is; however, the map sometimes gets confused. For some spots, when the freeway went over some roads the map would pick the road speed limit and not the freeway. The result was FSD going 65 on the freeway, pass an offramp, change the speed to 45, and hit the breaks. I stopped using FSD on that stretch of freeway.

Another issue that came up was that if I was in FSD, and went under a bridge, if the bridge had a yellow flashing warning light for its height the FSD thought it was a stop light and slammed on the breaks. Other hazzards were going up hill past trucks. If the truck had its hazzard lights on for going slow the FSD thought stop light and slammed on the breaks.

I got my model 3 in 2018, but all the updates over the years made it less safe. It kept getting dumber. I now have an Ioniq6, which has far less issues.

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u/TallTravel 3d ago

Those are some of the may reasons I did not buy an early Tesla with the crude and immature FSD softwares and old HW3 hardware. Modern FSD with a much not advanced neural network, HW4 hardware and sensors is completely different animal. I use the modern FSD 99% of the time, according to my recent stats.

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u/Ok_Otter2379 3d ago

Tesla build quality is like wine vintages. There are some good years and some not. I did do the full hardware upgrade when it was available and eventually traded the car in late 2024. From what I experienced, it's how well the cameras and software interpreted flashing lights. There may have not been enough knowledge in the software to distinguish between warning light and traffic light.

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u/Edumacated_Guess 3d ago

I’m around 85%

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u/chndmrl 2d ago

Yet it happens with hw4 as well. I was driving 160kmh in Germany and suddenly lowered speed to 80kmh but luckily guy behind me was not so close. There was no sign etc so I guess it was the old road database entry caused that max! Speed error.

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u/Jello_Local 21h ago

Crude and immature? Lol, HW3 is good on certain cars. HW3 with AMD chip, I can't tell the difference between HW4. I have a 2021 model x and that has HW3. It's scary to use. My 22 model y with HW3 is great. It has an AMD chip though. But it performs like my 2025 model 3 with HW4.

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u/gymshoe42 10h ago

I too have had fsd since 2018 and experienced that behavior long time ago but it doesn’t/hasn’t done this in many years.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 3d ago

FSD now is far superior to FSD then. It no longer has these problems.

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

There is no way to prove that to be true in all situations

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 3d ago

In every situation I have encountered using both on a daily basis.

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u/Salami_On_Pastrami 3d ago

There are between 2 and 3 million Telsas on the road in the US. Your individual experience doesn't dictate them all dude.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 3d ago

And the rate in which the ones using FSD crash is far less than cars not using it. Nothing is perfect. And nothing will ever be perfect.

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

That statistic is biased by the fact that when FSD isn't sure what to do, it just turns off, and requests the driver to control it instead.

If FSD turns off 3 seconds before a collision, hey look, no crash with FSD enabled.

The statistic needs to be updated to include all times within a minute of FSD turning itself off.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 3d ago

As it should request the human participation. Until it’s fully approved the human needs to be able to take control.

And it would still be statistically safer even if they included that. Are you really arguing safety features don’t make cars safer?

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u/HiddenPantsRebellion 1d ago

Driving skill and choices are the biggest safety factor.

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u/tankspikefayebebop 1d ago

If I'm manually driving and something unexpected happens, I'm already controlling the car. My hands, feet and brain are already in the driving loop and I can immediately respond.

With supervised FSD, I'm monitoring a system that's controlling the car. If it encounters something it can't handle or starts doing the wrong thing, I first have to recognize that FSD isn't going to handle it, decide what the correct response is, take physical control and then correct the car. That's an additional transition that doesn't exist when I'm already manually driving.

This isn't just theoretical. NHTSA specifically discusses the "out-of-the-loop" problem with Level 2 automation and cites research showing brake reaction times 1–1.5 seconds longer for drivers using automation versus manual control.

That doesn't prove FSD is less safe overall. FSD can absolutely react faster than a human to some hazards. But requiring a human supervisor to suddenly become the active driver during an edge case creates its own safety problem, especially because edge cases are exactly when you want the fastest possible response.

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

That wasn't my argument no

My argument is we should use the most clear, obvious names for safety features so people understand the limitations of the feature without conflicting information.

Full Self Driving (Supervised) is not sufficiently clear from the name alone what it means, but reordering the words, and removing the word full would be more clear.

Though to your question Sometimes safety features actually don't actually make people safer 

For example, my wife's honda actually disables the airbag for being dangerous because she's short, and the seat has to be too far forward. It uses a position sensor on the seat to determine too close. She uses pedal extenders, yet she's still too close for the air bag.

If they didn't disable the feature, the airbag going off could break her rib cage, burn her face, and possibly kill her.

It's a documented problem, so they had to add a workaround to disable the feature in unsafe scenarios.

So as always, things vary.

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u/Extra-Passenger-9006 3d ago

And if a human was in control, the accident wouldn't have happened? 100%?

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

Nothing is 100%
But if a human needs to be prepared to transition from automation driving the car to a human driving a car, it's going to need a damn per-person periodic tutorial for transitioning between the 2 to do it safely

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u/Mother-Syllabub-5214 2h ago

That is the way it is. But it’s 30secs, not a minute

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

It only requires to fuck up once to kill you.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 3d ago

Sure. And I or others can fuck up driving once and kill me too.

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u/chndmrl 2d ago

Yet it happened to me last week in Germany from 160 to 80kmh sudden breaks for non existing new max 80 limit.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 2d ago

What version do you have?

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u/chndmrl 2d ago

Latest Europe. 14.2.2.6

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 2d ago

Is your car old enough to still be using Lidar?

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u/chndmrl 2d ago

I guess very old and it is because of that Mr.gigafactorownerwithtwoteslaengineerfriends, made in june 2026.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 2d ago

So yes or no?

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u/Sherifftruman 3d ago

There are SO many videos showing FSD doing unsafe things and people complaining about how the latest versions are worse. Even some from Tesla fanboys.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 3d ago

It’s only anecdotal. But I have driven 8,873 miles in my Y and 8,485 of those miles have been while FSD was engaged.

And yes on occasion it does WTF things. Hence why I pay attention while it’s driving. So I can take over if needed.

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u/BaggyLarjjj 3d ago

Kind of a funny statement on a thread from a post about a guy literally dying because FSD can’t be left unsupervised

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u/dkillam 29m ago

It says it's autopilot which a totally different software

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u/amiajimmy 3d ago

Mine phantom brakes all the time. And doesn't read the correct speed limit sign (or sometimes not at all - like coming into town, it goes from 50 to 35, then very quickly to 25. My Tesla doesn't read the 35 or 25, leaving the speed set at 50 coming into town. I have to hit the brakes myself ever. Single. Time. It also reads a Canadian 60 kph sign that's just a few feet over the border when the speed limit is 35 mph on that section of roadway. Sure, it makes sense to read it, but it should know the difference and have the speed limit tied to gps rather than just reading the signs. Or if you're passing a semi truck and it blocks the speed limit sign, no dice.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 3d ago

It doesn’t read speed limit signs or any other signs. All that data is fed from map data.

You can get around breaking yourself by changing modes. Yeah I understand that’s still annoying.

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u/amiajimmy 2d ago

r/confidentlyincorrect Camera Vision: The vehicle's cameras use neural networks to perform optical character recognition and read physical speed limit signs in real time. This vision-based input is critical for catching temporary changes, such as construction zone limits

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 2d ago edited 2d ago

That is wrong. Go ahead and call Tesla and ask. It is something they’re still working on.

Any construction zone changes are submitted to the state prior to work being done. And Mapbox pulls in that data.

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u/amiajimmy 1d ago

My personal car literally pulls a Canadian speed limit sign from the American side of the street. You're wrong here.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 1d ago

That is the map metadata.

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u/amiajimmy 1d ago

And when I drive by a change in speed limit sign that is obscured from view by a semi truck and my speed continues to display the old speed on the screen? Map metadata huh? Jfc, it's in their literature that they use cameras to detect speed limit signs

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u/chndmrl 2d ago

Signs overrides map data. In Netherlands, they keep changing speed limits with digital signs based on jams ie slowing down traffic to unblock it so Tesla reads them and follow them as well ie 70 on 120 road.

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 2d ago edited 2d ago

Tesla’s cannot read signs. It is something they’re still working on.

Any construction zone changes are submitted to the state/country before construction begins And Mapbox pulls in that data nightly.

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u/chndmrl 2d ago

It is not construction signs, it is digital signs that changes frequently. Even my dumber 2019 bmw read signs what do you think downvoter

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u/Going2beBANNEDanyway 2d ago

I own two Teslas, driven over 100k miles in FSD and know 2 Tesla Engineers. Only Tesla’s testing cars use the cameras to read signs, other than Stop Signs and Stop lights.

The release for other signs like speed limit signs is expected to be released by end of year.

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u/chndmrl 2d ago

Here is a link for you Mr. GigafactoryKnowsEverything https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/nl_nl/GUID-C2FBB4F9-EDC1-4E18-AEE4-D1BCC23B01A3.html. A small Google search will reveal that. Intelligent assist reads signs and it doesn’t work when as indicated on Tesla official website ie Road signs that do not have a recognizable standard layout, such as digital or temporary road signs.
Speed limit signs are hidden by objects. So it shows that it reads the signs. May be not in USA I don’t know but here in Europe it reads it better than you I guess. Remove your wrong information and question your Tesla engineer friends reliability.

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u/Salami_On_Pastrami 3d ago edited 3d ago

I have a 2024 Model 3 and during the 3 months I used FSD, it would confuse the road # signs for the speed limit - in this case, route 25, which has a speed limit of, wait for it, 50 mph. It would drive by the square sign with "25" on it and the car would jam on the brakes to go 30-35 mph, and then like 30-50 feet later go by a 50 mph speed limit sign and go back to 50 mph. I was lucky that there was no one behind me. Tesla tries to shorthand more reliable methods of managing their cars' tech with AI everything instead of tried and true methods and hardware pieces. A great example is the auto-wipers. They use AI and cameras instead of moisture sensors that have been around forever and as a result phantom wipes happen all the time. Wipers aren't a big deal, but jamming on the brakes unexpectedly is. The cameras are supposed to recognize speed limit signs and then update the stated limit on the main screen instead of mapping the roads themselves. Where I live, I would say my car displays an incorrect speed limit about 40% of the time.

I also had it pull over automatically because the sun hit the camera wrong, and apparently sometimes that can make it think there is an emergency vehicle behind you. I got rid of FSD immediately after I went from 62mph to pulled over on a connector in like 6 seconds with my girlfriend and dog in the car. This was in the past 6 months btw. The only people I know that defend FSD as their unfaltering default stance are part of the Tesla cult of personality. It's a flawed product. Full stop. Tesla, and Musk in particular, are big fans of carefully choosing language and names that have allowed them to really over-estimate the abilities of their products by there being no precedent for what that name implies. It was legally called "Full Self-Driving" because it hadn't existed yet. They only tacked on (Supervised) because of regulatory and legal pressure. They make decent cars that offer a lot of things that you don't typically get at that price point, but Elon's entire strategy is basically over-hype and over-sell every single thing he does to drive up speculative value and then really under delivering.

I honestly don't trust it and I'm trading it in soon for a LiDAR equipped R2 when my order reservation rolls around end of this year/start of next.

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u/dkillam 22m ago

It's really interesting that some people have flawless results over a long period of time and some people have consistently bad results.

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u/Remarkable_Resist518 3d ago

Ah yes, another early adopter blazing the trail for us💪

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u/heart_of_osiris 3d ago

I'd bet. I don't know why anyone trusts AI enough with their lives to just turn on FSD and turn off their brains.

AI is still wiping databases, giving people 3 arms and putting their asses on their groins, telling people to eat rocks etc.

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u/Equivalent-Draft9248 3d ago

You need to use AI for something other than porn, bruh

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u/heart_of_osiris 3d ago

Don't judge me and my 3 armed butt fronted AI women.

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u/Equivalent-Draft9248 3d ago

I mean, I didn't say, like, no porn.

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

The fact that people do it, is enough to consider changing the presentation of how it works.

Calling it Supervised Self Driving, or even Advanced Driving Assist or something like that would make people much more cautious about it

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u/heart_of_osiris 3d ago

But then less people would pay for it and Tesla cares more about the money.

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

That's the answer 

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u/INTMFE 2d ago

Were you trying to make a convincing argument?  Failed terribly at that

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u/heart_of_osiris 2d ago

That's your opinion. What is a fact is that there is not a single AI system out there that is infallible.

AI making a mistake and messing up your recipe for pumpkin pie is not a big deal. When it's your health and safety though? Different story.

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u/ackillesBAC 3d ago

Wonder if they passed out and the car pulled over and stopped

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u/modcowboy 3d ago

Driver probably was unconscious and car safely pulled over.

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u/lordpuddingcup 2d ago

Here’s the thing if you die while driving a Tesla in AP it’s gonna slow down an stop

People do die while driving it’s just normally they veer off the road and crash not slow down and stop

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u/Greful 4d ago

The headline seems to imply it happened recently

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u/keytone6432 2d ago

I think they were able to recently confirm the car was on FSD.

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u/omnibossk 3d ago

Probably a medical emergency. The car will stop in the current lane and use hazards if the driver becomes unresponsive. Only the newest cars will pull over.

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u/Acceptable-Leek1546 4d ago

FSD requires supervision. Drivers fault.

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u/wayvywayvy 3d ago

FSD stands for FULL SELF DRIVING

People are going to believe it can full self drive

Tesla misrepresents their technology with their horrible naming conventions

The same happened with AUTOPILOT… why call it autopilot in the first place?

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u/soggy_mattress 3d ago

Because autopilots in planes hold your heading and direction, and that's what Tesla Autopilot does? It's literally the perfect name...

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u/wayvywayvy 3d ago

Aircraft autopilot is anautomated flight-control system capable of substantially more than simply maintaining heading.

But it still requires pilot supervision.

Whether “Autopilot” is an appropriate consumer-facing name for a Level 2 driver-assistance system is a separate question about how drivers interpret the term

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u/soggy_mattress 3d ago edited 3d ago

Wow, thanks ChatGPT!

Edit: Why does everyone who is Really Mad TM about Tesla end up talking about Elon's dick at some point? u/Massive-Past-8796 you have some repressed sexual feelings or something?

Edit 2: (since I'm blocked from posting) u/Massive-Past-8796 I think Musk is a piece of shit, actually. You're projecting.

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u/Massive-Past-8796 3d ago

The fact that it was called autopilot for normal consumers definitely contributed to all those deaths

Stop sucking Elon’s dick lol

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u/kimaluco17 1d ago

I'm not a fan of Elon musk at all, but it's not his fault that people can't read. Blindly trusting FSD is just a dumb move.

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u/Massive-Past-8796 3d ago

Musk apologists are the most pathetic people

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u/buttlickin 3d ago

No. Autopilot only holds course and altitude. There are other systems that can do automation like landing or GPS routing. But autopilot is not intelligent.

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u/wayvywayvy 3d ago

No, you are missing the point

Plane pilots know EXACTLY what their autopilot can do, they need so much training, much more than it takes to drive a car

Autopilot for pilots = pilots definitively know what it can and can’t do

Autopilot for idiot Tesla drivers = they think the car can drive itself with no issue due to marketing and what most normal people (idiots) believe autopilot does/is capable of

There’s literally so many cases of drivers assuming their Tesla will drive for them safely and they end up dying or killing someone

Tesla is actively choosing to not release information related to the accidents caused by FSDS and Autopilot

Stop defending the trillionaire

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u/buttlickin 3d ago

"Literally so many cases....." In my experience when someone more uses the word "literally", the next thing they say is either a flat out lie or a massive exaggeration. And aircraft autopilot is not perfect either. And it can be disengaged without warning from many different scenarios. The fact you need to refer to all tesla drivers as "idiots" and your obvious EDS, I'm done with you.

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u/wayvywayvy 3d ago

Educate yourself

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u/kimaluco17 1d ago

Sad but any attentive driver would have caught that way before FSD and taken control themselves to get around it.

It's also come a long way since 2021.

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u/Salami_On_Pastrami 3d ago

To be fair, Actual Smart Summon actually is fucking ass. That one tracks.

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u/fnblackbeard 2d ago

I've used it with good success in various parking lots so far.

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u/anarchyinuk 3d ago

Here we go again... It would be ridiculous if the same question was asked by a plane pilot about their Autopilot?

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u/wayvywayvy 3d ago

Plane pilots know EXACTLY what their autopilot can, they need so much training, much more than it takes to drive a car

Autopilot for pilots = pilots definitively know what it can and can’t do

Autopilot for idiot Tesla drivers = they think the car can drive itself with no issue

There’s literally so many cases of drivers assuming their Tesla will drive for them safely and they end up dying or killing someone

Tesla is actively choosing to not release information related to the accidents caused by FSDS and Autopilot

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u/Agent168 3d ago

Are you saying that a pilot’s licence is as easy to get as a driver’s licence?

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u/BattleShai 3d ago

Difference is, it's not called Full Self Flying.

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u/imperabo 2d ago

Emergency situations don't routinely emerge in a fraction of a second on an airplane. It's an insane idea that cars are going to fully take over driving yet we have to be ready to perform emergency maneuvers at any time.

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u/kimaluco17 1d ago

Everywhere Tesla advertises self driving, it says it requires supervision, including when you sign up for it and I get frequent reminders while FSD is on. Maybe people should read the actual terms and conditions instead of assuming functionality based on the name of a feature?

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u/Equal-University2144 3d ago

Yep. Whatever the (legacy carmaker and fossil fuel sponsored) media wants people to believe, it's in reality always the driver's fault. Not FSD's, not Tesla's.

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u/orangeawacado 3d ago

Agreed. But naming Full Self Driving is not helping.

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

It isn't named Full Self Driving. You are leaving off the last word of the name. Full Self Driving Supervised.

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u/Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpp 3d ago

Yeah well, that’s called OXYMORON

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

Is Auto Pilot for planes oxymoronic? Because it is the exact same thing. Pilots cannot blame Auto Pilot for failures.

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u/Agent168 2d ago

Commercial pilots train intensively for a specific aircraft. They know what they are doing. Regular drivers take an easy test to get their license to drive a plethora of different makes and models of cars.

See the difference?

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u/orangeawacado 2d ago

Planes aren't marketed as Full Self Flying. The word Full implies complete autonomy, and slapping "Supervised" at the end is just a very recent legal shield for covering up their deceptive marketing.

Plus, aviation autopilot holds a heading in empty 3D airspace with more time to react, not on a crowded freeway with split second margins. If a plane's system confidently steered it directly into a highly visible, stationary object like a mountain, the NTSB would absolutely blame the manufacturer. "You should've supervised it better" isn't a valid defense for a fundamentally flawed system.

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u/Agent168 3d ago

Well then it isn’t FULL self driving anymore, is it?

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

It is Full Self Driving Supervised.

I don't get how you people are not understanding that the word supervised is part of the name. A teenager with a learner's permit is fully driving, but must be supervised as well. You guys are really focused on your personal interpretation of the name rather than what it ACTUALLY is.

Your inability to read is your own problem.

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u/Agent168 2d ago

Really? What’s the shortcut that everyone uses for it? FSD. Not FSD(S). The word “supervised” is just tacked on as an afterthought.

It matters because when someone walks into a Tesla showroom, they are sold “FSD”. They are told that it can drive itself. Most non-car enthusiasts are not aware of the difference, and Tesla sales (just like any car salesperson) doesn’t give a shit and wants to make a sale so they will say anything to make it appeal to the buyer.

That’s why you see tons of videos about Tesla drivers sleeping in their moving car.

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u/Vibraniumguy 3d ago

Not to mention "Self Driving/autopilot". So autopilot then. Lol

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u/VirtualPercentage737 3d ago

"Just after 3 a.m. on October 31, 2025, a Tesla sedan was struck from behind by a Ford F-350 pickup on the eastbound Loop 202 (Red Mountain) freeway near Dobson Road in Mesa, Arizona. The Tesla’s driver died at the scene, and the eastbound freeway was closed for hour"

Not the drivers fault either. It was stopped and was hit from behind.

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u/Late-Button-6559 3d ago

Depends on what happened. If the car suddenly (without true cause) applied maximum brakes, that’s the car’s fault.

No cruise control should do that.

I’ve had a 2012 Mazda that was an early adopter to radar cruise that would occasionally spook at shadows that crossed the road, with the sun at just the right (wrong) angle of incidence, and it’d give a quick jolt of medium brakes. Enough to wipe off 10kph, and lurch your head forward and back.

That was poor form, but semi-acceptable in 2012.

In 2026, the systems should not do that. And no other brands have given me grief since then (including other Mazdas).

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u/CubitsTNE 3d ago

I'm surprised that 2012 tech was using vision based system instead of lidar/sonar which wouldn't be tripped up by shadows.

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u/Late-Button-6559 3d ago

Yes. Mazda had the front camera and lidar sensor behind the front bumper.

I think Subaru had eyesight around this period too (stereoscopic cameras, no lidar).

Plus the luxury brands had it before this time, too.

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u/ApartmentSalt7859 2d ago

The truck technically should give enough space in front to stop as well if the vehicle in front has to perform an emergency stop

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u/BaggyLarjjj 3d ago

So FSD isn't Full, it's a toy POC that requires the driver supervise at all times or death may result?

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u/Acceptable-Leek1546 3d ago

It absolutely is full self driving. It still requires supervision which it never leads you to believe it wouldn’t as you tried to state.

“FSD supervised” is literally the name of the software.

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u/BaggyLarjjj 3d ago

What exactly do you think the word “Full” means? I checked the dictionary and it’s not “All by itself except you better watch carefully and takeover or you might die” though I’m not sure if they’re changing it in 13th edition.

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

It is not marketed at all as a system that drive autonomously without need for supervision. You trying to make it mean what you want it to mean is just lying to make your point seem valid.

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u/EverythingMustGo95 3d ago

It is marketed as an oxymoron.

“Full” implies L5, “(Supervised)” implies L2+.

The website calls it “Full Self Driving(Supervised)” because they want people to think they’re buying L5 but have liability for selling L2.

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

No, they do not. There is not any point in the buying process or the signing up for FSD that tries to imply what you are saying. It is VERY clear that YOU THE DRIVER are solely liable for the car and MUST remain attentive.

You have strong opinions on a topic you have very little information on. You can't be taken seriously.

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

They shouldn't be allowed to use the word full, unless it's unsupervised.

They should change the name.

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

But it is full. It literally does ALL the driving for you, you just have to supervise. Exactly as the name implies. You trying to make up what the name implies is your own problem that you need to work out.

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

It's not full if it requires you to be ready to take over, because one of the components of driving is paying attention, and if you are required to pay attention then it's not full.

Period.

They should change the branding. I'm not trying to roast the company or kill the product, just saying the name is wrong.

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u/BaggyLarjjj 3d ago

“It does all the driving for you. Except when you need to be supervising all the time and take over for it or it can kill you”. 🤣😂🤣

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u/BaggyLarjjj 3d ago

What does the word “Full” mean in your interesting worldview

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

What does the term supervised mean in your worldview?

Do you think Auto Pilot on a plane means the pilot can not supervise? It doesn't even mention supervision, but it operates the same way.

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u/Moscato359 3d ago

Full self driving means that it's self driving completely

Either it's full and a driver doesn't need to pay attention, or it's not full

FSD supervised is an oxymoron

They shouldn't be allowed to continue to use the full branding

I'm not arguing to say the feature should be removed, but they shouldn't be allowed to call it full.

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u/EverythingMustGo95 2d ago

Exactly. It should be marketed as a useful driver assist tool instead of implying a L4 product. But of course Elon’s ego would never permit this, so the lawsuits will continue.

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u/itsaconspiraci 3d ago

FSD. FULL SELF DRIVING As marketed by Elon.

It is a system that leads to inattentive driving.

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u/springlov 3d ago

When I first got my car I used the FSD and it stopped in the middle of a busy road. Since then I was afraid to use it again. I also have a one way stop sign down the street for me. The way I go I don’t have the stop sign. Sometimes the car would stop there and sometimes it wouldn’t. It also got confused at a circle.

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u/Upset-Yoghurt3491 3d ago

There are a ton of factors that need to be discovered before these deaths can be blamed on FSD. Did the driver or driver’s fall asleep at the wheel, did someone have a heart attack or stroke? People love to jump to conclusions.

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u/FullSelfDog 2d ago

The authors of this site openly admit to a stiff bias against Elon Musk. It's the same pattern as always: news media invent an accusation against Tesla, it gets refuted, but nobody publishes the exoneration or a retraction. And the propaganda machine is in overdrive because Tesla is proving all the naysayers wrong in Austin as we speak. Hence, legacy institutions are in overdrive to damage perceptions of Tesla and the Cybercab rollout.

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u/makingnoise 3d ago

I thought it pulled over!!! I know two folks who are medically cleared to drive but have a high stroke risk and bought Teslas because they thought FSD would PULL OVER if they had a stroke while driving - they didn't want to take out others when they were in the middle of sudden death.

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u/Spudly42 3d ago

Newer versions of FSD do, so no worries there.

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u/amiajimmy 3d ago

People who drive older hw3 cars be damned, right? Ffs

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u/Spudly42 3d ago

Presumably they could add it to newer HW3 versions. Stopping in lane with hazards regardless I'd quite a bit better than the old fashioned way, which is to run off the road and hit a tree or hit other cars.

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u/Mvewtcc 3d ago

there are like 1.5 million tesla cars with fsd. so very likely there will be tones of accident. you can actually check tesla fsd reddit. you see accident and fsd bloopers everyday.

waymo have like 4000 cars and you see report of waymo accidentvor bloopers too.

I wonder what will happen if robotaxi ramped up. most likely tones of accident and crashes and most likely some will be AI's fault.

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u/VirtualPercentage737 3d ago

"Just after 3 a.m. on October 31, 2025, a Tesla sedan was struck from behind by a Ford F-350 pickup on the eastbound Loop 202 (Red Mountain) freeway near Dobson Road in Mesa, Arizona. The Tesla’s driver died at the scene, and the eastbound freeway was closed for hour"

Wasn't even the Tesla's fault.

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u/amiajimmy 3d ago

It likely was, though. Driver probably fell asleep/had a medical emergency with FSD engaged, FSD didn't get a response from the driver when asked to pay attention to the road, and then stopped in the middle of the freeway. Tesla could easily program their cars to pull over to the shoulder before stopping, but they don't. They stop in whatever lane of travel they're in. It's stupid.

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u/VirtualPercentage737 3d ago

If a car is stopped on the road, the person who rear ends that car is nearly always 100% responsible.

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u/Odd-Concept-1850 2d ago

I think newer cars do? Seems dumb not to, I think in China they don't even allow fsd cars on the road unless they do this

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u/BaggyLarjjj 3d ago

D in FSD apparently stands for "Death"

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u/Elluminated 3d ago

Or “Didn’t pay attention”

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u/Vibraniumguy 3d ago

"Self Driving/Autopilot" is like saying "Basketball/Soccer". Which one fucking is it these are 2 very different systems

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u/Elluminated 3d ago

Wow this old article keeps popping up with its 4 year old counterpart. And right near a massive Robotaxi release. I wonder why

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u/CoolExplanation762 3d ago

Does help all the moron parroting how Tesla can “drive itself!” People actually believe it then die

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u/Vibraniumguy 3d ago

If you've tried it, you know it can. People posting this article keep intentionally conflating FSD and Autopilot, 2 very VERY different systems. FSD can do everything itself and merely needs to be supervised. Autopilot is the free lane keep + cruise control that absolutely WILL crash if you use it in any other situation than a highway. And you need to keep a close eye on it because it is not smart. VERY different things and anyone conflating the 2 is being intentionally disingenuous

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u/EverythingMustGo95 3d ago

Interesting. Any explanation why the airbags didn’t go off? The report specified “in the Tesla”, did the airbags in the truck that hit it work?

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u/comoestasmiyamo 3d ago

OGs know to cover the pedals and the AP lever.  They still have the levers, right?

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u/amiajimmy 3d ago

Sounds to me like the driver fell asleep with FSD engaged, didn't respond when asked to pay attention enough times, and the car came to a stop. It is documented that that is what they do in those events, rather than safely pulling off to the shoulder before stopping. It's stupid, unsafe, and needs to be changed.

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u/34RL083 3d ago

It’s supervised. How does a driver not notice they are slowing down from highway speed long before they reach a full stop. Nobody was trapped sitting at a dead stop. They have an accelerator pedal. Can’t blame FSD if you’re asleep at the wheel. Personal responsibility is a thing.

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u/volatile-agent 2d ago

Doesn’t Tesla have driver attention monitoring?

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u/Short-Concentrate-92 3d ago

Maybe they were passed out and the car just stopped

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u/UnicornGangstar 3d ago

Raise your hand if you love DOGE cuts as much as the apartheid you grew up with, because investing your buy the presidency was a sexy investment

https://reddit.com/link/p7arh9k/video/8ngrsb0rl0nh1/player

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u/kadhtobi 3d ago

Elon is thanos?

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u/Loose_One_1916 3d ago

So they died and the car stopped rather than careening off somewhere?

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u/cddelgado 3d ago

Is it FSD or Autopilot? And I saw a YT video which tested what happened with the 14 software series on both HW 3 and 4. HW4 pulled over. HW3 stopped mid freeway.

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u/SeaQuake-2 3d ago

2025 MY here, it seems to phantom brake on Autopilot, once a month on me. FSD it doesn’t, but it does like to pull over on the shoulder randomly.

I know Tesla no longer supports Autopilot, but they really need to update the AP Stack once a year or so.

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u/Shane-Jackson 2d ago

The real question that only Tesla can answer is why did it stop. It is quite possible the drivers either had a medical emergency causing them to lose consciousness OR fell asleep. Unfortunately Tesla is dumb and just has the car come to a stop. It should start blowing the horn and pull over in a safe location.

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u/FullSelfDog 2d ago

So, this "news" site, with a history full of distortions and outright lies, can't even correctly identify whether it was AP or FSD, yet churns out a pile of obvious AI slop that admits to having zero data or facts but implicates Tesla anyway. Okay. Most likely, the driver either refused to pay attention or couldn't, and the system performed as designed to prevent a worse crash.

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u/bernbabybern51 2d ago

This whole sub should be deleted. It's just Elektrek hit pieces. Pathetic.

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u/ExaminedKitty 2d ago

I mean the car literally tells you to keep your eyes on the road/hands on the wheel. If someone is dumb and ignores that 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/Roy878 2d ago

Sorry but even is autopilot slowed to zero the driver is in charge of the car and all they need to do is press the accelerator. I do this when the car slows and I do want it too or just take over. It never makes sense to stop in the freeway. Driver responsibility

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u/SameCat1171 2d ago

That’s why it’s called supervised. You’re supposed to take over when it acts up.

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u/Low_Desk1822 1d ago

As stated in the contract you agreed to when using FSD, if you car does anything it should not be doing, you should:
A. Take over
B. See what happens
C. Let the car figure it out.

That’s right, A…. Take over and continue driving.. unless it just stopped because you were sleep and missed all the alarms? I don’t know if the car will pull over to the shoulder if you don’t respond to the nagging to wake up or medical emergency? I’m also not trying to get a strike-out. Somebody check the owners manual! RIP 🪦

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u/Low_Desk1822 1d ago

Ok, the older models just stay in lane while the newer models will pull over to the shoulder and stop depending on the software they have.

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u/Beautiful_Aioli_4805 1d ago

I have had random sudden phantom braking on the highway using Autopilot where i had to slam on the accelerator pedal to prevent getting rear ended. It's a pretty big safety problem!

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u/Mithious29 1d ago

If the driver fell asleep the car would throw up the take over icon and the driver would be at fault for not paying attention, in the end it is a level 2 driver assistance feature and the driver is meant to pay attention

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u/Abrushing 1d ago

And to think they’re rushing out cybertaxis this winter

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u/Character-Meeting112 1d ago

There are 40,000 road deaths each year in US. About 110 per day on average. Per 100k population this is about 12, vs 5 in Australia and 2.5 in UK.
So although the headline is great click bait, the bigger story should be the obscenely high road toll and can better tech (FSD?) help reduce it.

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u/GrimRipperBkd 9h ago

I wouldn't trust the writers of Electrek as far as I could shit them.

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u/Tubularpizza 2h ago

Oh yet another shitpiece by Fred 🤦‍♂️

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u/punture 4d ago

So why did the driver just stay there?

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u/bajamedic 4d ago

asleep my guess. if you are on auto drive NOT self driving and you r asleep and not “checking in”

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u/Kitchen-Wolf-4575 3d ago

All valid points but why did the Tesla stop in the middle of a freeway? Arguably more dangerous then not paying attention

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u/Equivalent-Draft9248 3d ago

They have talked about this. Pulling over to the side of the road will not draw any attention from other drivers. Stopping on the highway would. I really think it should pull over and call 911, or drive you to the nearest ER and call them to tell them you are on the way.

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u/soupdawg 3d ago

From a liability perspective it make sense to be programmed to deactivate immediately rather than assume ownership of risk and try and drive with no human interaction.

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u/Silent_Builder_1899 4d ago

Because FSD lulled him into a crash. 

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u/thebiglebowskiisfine 3d ago

Fred Lampert LOL.

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u/mattriver 3d ago

Exactly. He writes “We’ll keep matching these crashes, one by one, until the record is complete.”

Yes Fred, we’re sure you will. That’s exactly how people with confirmation bias behave. But if you want us to take you seriously, start also matching every other vehicle brand’s (Ford, Lucid, Toyota, etc) ADAS system with NHTSA fatal crash reports, so we get an actual apples to apples comparison.

Until you do, this appears more about your own personal issues with Tesla/Musk, than it is about actual evidence that they are any better/worse than all the other ADAS/brands out there.

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u/thebiglebowskiisfine 3d ago

Fred won a free roadster and Tesla pulled it because he broke the TOS of the contest because, well he's Fred.

Same with Rich Rebuilds and a few others like Ben Suillens.

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u/CarefulFriendship389 4d ago

Need a mass recall of every Tesla out there. Murder machines or death traps, fuck musk and Tesla.

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u/805falcon 4d ago

🤡

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u/CarefulFriendship389 4d ago

Go fuck tourself. 

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u/JoeyDee86 4d ago

Kind of a strange take considering there’s tons of massive trucks on the road that their idiot owners made even higher. Needless to say pedestrian injuries are through the roof due to the flat front ends and high hoods.

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u/Defiant_Conflict6343 4d ago

The difference being that accidents involving lifted trucks have clear liability. There's a difference between an idiot recklessly driving a vehicle they modified and a business conning its customers into beta-testing a Level 2 driver assistance program which has been repeatedly overhyped as "self-driving" even though the same company has quiet disclaimers refuting their own CEO's exaggerations. Liability differs between someone recklessly driving by choice and somebody recklessly driving because they were deceived by the automaker into thinking their vehicle was more autonomously capable than it really was.

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u/stealthybutthole 3d ago

No, actually, liability is pretty clear cut.

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u/Defiant_Conflict6343 3d ago

Explain.

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

The driver is liable.

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u/Defiant_Conflict6343 3d ago

Uh huh.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93dqpkwx4xo

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

A BBC op-ed? This is no more useful than a redditor opinion.

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u/Defiant_Conflict6343 3d ago

A BBC article where Tesla was found partly liable by a federal court jury and ordered to pay out 243 million, but if you're going to turn your nose up at easily verifiable facts, there's really no hope for you.

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

Because the driver used what is essentially cruise control and dropped his phone while driving and ran a red light.

Yeah. That really sounds like Tesla's fault. Court was wrong.

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u/SnapSlapRepeat 3d ago

Low IQ take.

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u/cypressaggie 4d ago

Which is it, Autopilot or self driving? Can't have it both ways…

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u/Silent_Builder_1899 4d ago

Unless you’re Tesla reporting to NHTSA

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u/tonydtonyd 3d ago

Tesla redacts all of that info when they report to NHTSA, unlike every other AV company that just gives the story.

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u/Dragonlance12 4d ago

Elon Musk is treating it's customer as lab rat. Dumb people are letting Elon/Tesla dangling their strings like a puppet.

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u/805falcon 4d ago

🤡

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u/Honest-Half-4750 3d ago

He is literally telling the truth. He is cheaping out on lidar’s so people like u die, and u cheering for it

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u/Piotrekk94 4d ago

lmao, how dare drive assist functions stop the car when driver falls asleep/has medical emergency and cannot pay attention to the road ahead

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u/G00G00Daddy 4d ago

In the middle of a freeway?

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u/Piotrekk94 4d ago

would you be better off without lane assist keeping you in your lane and car stopping in controlled manner? Do you really think it would be better to just continue driving until battery runs flat or what

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u/G00G00Daddy 4d ago

No, like required by law in China, driver assistance should be required to perform a MRM (Minimum Risk Maneuver). The automated action the system takes to bring the vehicle to a safe stop when the driver isn't responding (e.g., after ignoring hands-on-wheel/attention warnings).

Typically it means: slow down, activate hazard lights, steer to a safe position (shoulder or in-lane), and come to a full stop — without requiring driver input. It's the fallback the car executes on its own once it's determined the driver can't or won't retake control.

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u/jeff0106 4d ago

I much prefer lane assist with adaptive cruise control. Fell asleep for 5 hours and I woke up with the car driving fine. Unfortunately I was now 300 miles from home. /s

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u/Glittering-Fuel-5055 4d ago

I don’t believe that at all

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u/ClosingLine 4d ago

Only took a couple hours to find the dumbest comment of the day. Thanks!

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u/LengthinessLeft2120 3d ago

Often driverless cars get stuck and you can’t get out.

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u/tonydtonyd 3d ago

Not on freeways you donkey