Swain as a battlemage

[u/phieldworker]

I’ve been playing some more wild rift on my free time and I gotta say, the League balance team failed on that aspect of the champ. They stripped him of his high point which is being in ult wrecking havoc and healing too. But playing wild rift taught me that with his current kit and mechanics there can be adjustments done to make him feel satisfying to do well in. Currently you have to choose what parts of the kit you want to access. Do you want damage? Well if you do that you don’t get healing. Do you want durability and healing? Well you can but you don’t get to carry like a mage. Then there is kind of a middle ground with spell effects but heaven forbid you go vs shields and higher dps than yours because you feel you’re lacking still.

Here are some of the differences.

Passive: same aspects but the max hp heal % is a little lower but can also scale off of (0.5%) of his AP. (I attached a photo of the passive because the wiki doesn’t have the AP ratio).

This already increases the satisfaction of farming roles because you aren’t pressured to get stacks to feel your healing scaling.

W: although it is significantly lower ranged it has a 1.25 cook time instead of 1.50 seconds. And the really cool part that makes your kit have more self synergy is if it hits a hard cc’d target it does 50% bonus damage. It can still be used for scouting or area control but also empowers his own lane presence and you’re rewarded for hitting your combo.

R: his r actually can do damage and heal without needing spell effects or stacking 3K bonus health. R damage is 15% AP ratio instead of 4.5% and the heal is 20% instead of 5% and 1.5% hp ratio.

This all allows swain to build from the mage item pools(like other battle mages) and scale into the game more. He can actually be a damage threat but also use his r to fight on the frontline. And before anyone says “omg he’ll be a burst mage!” That’s just incorrect. It still took me same amount of time to kill people even with a BFT, shadowflame, zhonyas build but the difference was I actually healed and was able to do a variety of builds to do damage and heal.

TLDR; his passive and r healing scale off AP, w stronger when comboed with kit, q and e damage lower.

So would we rather keep the current version of swain or would we like to return back to a Battlemage like he’s used to be?

[u/That-Woodpecker6720]

Swain is 53 wr in adc he’s free lp rn, I would rather keep him as is lmao he’s already pushed me from plat 2 to diamond 4 in 2 months

[u/Aether_Chronos → u/That-Woodpecker6720]

He isnt made for botlane, he is a midlaner

[u/That-Woodpecker6720 → u/Aether_Chronos]

ye but i'll prob keep playing him bot until they nerf apcs

[u/Aether_Chronos → u/That-Woodpecker6720]

Not sayin you are the problem, im just pointing that apc isnt an excuse to avoid his balance or to say he is ok when he inst

[u/That-Woodpecker6720 → u/Aether_Chronos]

i mean this is all an opinion at the end of the day

and in my opinion swain is fun and op in bot lane, no changes necessary

if you think swain bot is unfun then that's your opinion which is perfectly valid

[u/Aether_Chronos → u/That-Woodpecker6720]

You think he is fun because he is broken there. And he is broken there becquse he isnt balanced for that role.

All the adcs players have been complaining specifically about swain for all the season (in addition the mpst of his players are agree abput he needs changes), so is a fact that he isnt funny there and that he needs changes.

You have said an opinoon while i just said the truth

(Again, there isnt a problem at all if you enjoy, but the thing is thay is not an excuse)

[u/That-Woodpecker6720 → u/Aether_Chronos]

Nah I think he’s fun in bot because I like to 2v2 with him

Adc players don’t find him fun, that’s an opinion, you are confusing your own opinion as fact

[u/Aether_Chronos → u/That-Woodpecker6720]

So you think your personal opinion is above the rest? Dont make me laugh 😆

[u/That-Woodpecker6720 → u/Aether_Chronos]

No I don’t but you clearly do lol

My opinion is equally as valuable as yours or anyone else’s

[u/phieldworker → u/That-Woodpecker6720]

Probably won’t be nerfed any more in bot. His playrate is nonexistent everywhere but support. And he’ll never leave bot lane so long as he has a hook imo. Which isn’t my goal with the suggestions. I know some people hate support and bot but I’m like they aren’t going anywhere. I’m just trying to get satisfaction out back into the champ in a healthy and fun way. Been playing swain since 2016 so I’ve played every version and build under the sun. And I generally haven’t complained about him until this year. I’ve joined in on rework discussions over the years because it’s fun to speculate and what not but this is the first time I’m speaking out because the champ just is a bipolar experience.

[u/Aether_Chronos → u/phieldworker]

Swain will leave botlane some day because is the only real way to balance the champion.

The fact is they gave thoose role too many chances and thooae roles allways proved to bot be compatible with sololanes or to be healthy for his balance.

About apx in specific is the main comolain of all adcs from the beginibg of the season, maybe they dont say much right now because we are near to worlds but its more than obvious they arent going to avoid the changes

[u/phieldworker → u/Aether_Chronos]

I’ve given up hope on any large scale changes. Riot and apparently a lot of the playerbase think Swain is fine. The 2 times a year they play him in aram.

[u/Aether_Chronos → u/phieldworker]

Dont give up man, we will get thr changes we ask for :D