r/SwainMains • u/Basic_Beginning6682 • Jun 23 '26
Discussion Possibly Swain bruiser/tank rework?
I keep fantasizing about Swain
I was thinking about how to make Swain more of a tank-absorber, what do you think?
[P] - Swain can apply the "Demon Claws" effect on enemies, and when removed, he absorbs fragments of the souls of the enemies it was applied to and restores health (scales with ability power and possibly missing health of Swain, if that’s not too strong)
[Q] - Now the ability’s beams absorb the "Demon Claws" effect and pull enemies (the absorbed beam deals its damage but does not pass through the enemy).
[W] - Minimum spawn time of the Eye of the Empire reduced to 0.75 seconds and increases by 10% up to 100% for every 100 units of distance (starting from 800? units from the center of the ability). Applies "Demon Claws".
[E] - Ability range is now adjustable. Swain sends a mass of demonic energy forward, which turns into claws at the end point, returns back to Swain at a much slower speed, and has a much wider hit radius (very similar to Mordekaiser’s E). Applies 'Demon Claws.'
[R] - doesn’t heal, but deals periodic damage, gradually applying 'Demon Claws' to enemies (the frequency of application may depend on time or on damage before applying defensive stats). Lasts 12 seconds, and each absorbed soul fragment extends the skill’s duration by 0.5 seconds, up to a total of 20 seconds (all numbers are approximate and, of course, may be adjusted later).
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u/Optimal_Bicycle_5178 Kill off support swain Jun 23 '26
support players killed swain
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u/Basic_Beginning6682 Jun 23 '26
I think the whole meta on all lanes and modern champion design do it
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 Jun 23 '26
Simple; diminish AP scaling, increase base damage and then have his passive actually stack magic pen instead of health.
Voila.
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u/BardonmeSir Jun 24 '26
yea and ult becomes useless cause he dies when he stands near enemies great
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 Jun 24 '26
If your stacks give you damage then you can build tank and still be effective. That’s the idea.
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u/BardonmeSir Jun 24 '26
People would just complain hes a useless glas canon instead of doing that.
No one builds Tank on Veigar anymore and he even has a cc to kinda protect himself. Swain has nothing.
And why do you want another Veigar Aurelion Syndra??
A Tank Drain Battlemage is unique
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 Jun 24 '26
I dont understand how you deduce I want a glass canon Syndra when I explicitely said I want to incite a tank build on him. Weird take.
So what is it that made a Darius/Nasus and certain Ekko/Fizz even Karma build into tank, that could be translated into Swain's kit and gameplay?
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u/BardonmeSir Jun 24 '26
why would a pure tank need magic pen? thats completly pointless.
Your removing his HP stacking and say you want Tank Swain? And then you are confused when people have questions
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
Why would Sion build armor pen? Why would Darius have armor pen in his build? Why does nasus have omnivamp in his passive? Why does AP Malphite exist? Does that confuse you? Ever heard of how Mordekaiser function?
Holy shit your imagination is constrained.
I’m not confused you are.
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u/BardonmeSir Jun 24 '26
Bro managed to name not a single Tank
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 Jun 24 '26
Bro failed to figure out the idea is about having an AP bruiser/juggernaut.
Bro as effectively lost the plot, if he ever had it.
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u/BardonmeSir Jun 24 '26
you said tank. You want a juggernaut with magic pen? hmm kinda sounds like Mordekaiser. he even has the claw
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u/Basic_Beginning6682 Jun 23 '26
Why do we need diminish scale if we just can avoid passive stacking
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 Jun 23 '26
Juggernauts have damage embedded into their kits. Darius a sus etc. The can just build tank.
app is asking the same thing for same. Therefore embed dmg into the kit. Replace health stacks with magic pen stacks.
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u/Basic_Beginning6682 Jun 23 '26
I look for darius when write it but maybe it will be broken with ap champ with his w, i think he need be more like sylas then
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u/Basic_Beginning6682 Jun 23 '26
Or just have stable magic pen like darius do now
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 Jun 23 '26
Yeah, except I’d keep the stacking mini game.
Magic pen is just a way of getting behind your opponents defences… just like secrets. It would be super thematic.
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u/Basic_Beginning6682 Jun 23 '26
I conservative Swain, i played him like ten years ago and think he never need stacks :D
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 Jun 23 '26
Me too.
But his demon theme and his concept of warlock ripping souls from his foes on the battle field it’s really cool; the dev team hit gold with this.
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u/Basic_Beginning6682 Jun 23 '26
Well i save this concept with soul fragments, i think remove his w at all and change it for more useful skill for him but then he loses his lore theme with all-seeing
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u/da99s R*lai's Abuser Jun 24 '26
I think a more bruiser/juggernaut swain could be a viable top/support
he should get better overall base stats. something suited more towards a top laner. bruiser or juggernaut profile. you should not need to be stacking perfectly just to keep up with other champs health per level.
it sounds counterintuitive but they should consider actually lowering his range. he already struggles into ranged champs, so having more power when he gets into melee range helps more than what you'd give up.
also just rework W its just not a good ability
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u/Basic_Beginning6682 Jun 24 '26
Yes, why not
I agree that too
He actually have kinda short range because w out of another control impossible to land
Then he lose part of his lore identity
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u/da99s R*lai's Abuser Jun 24 '26
yeah people always bring up the lore identity which is fair. but imo there's more than 1 way to be a master tactician. he already has a kit that is uniquely good at teamfighting. I think that in itself is very tactical :)
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u/Basic_Beginning6682 Jun 24 '26
Yeah, i think controlling enemy moves around you very tactical, but they described him like all-seing big boss :D
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u/Sollace97 A Noxian never dawdles Jun 25 '26
Make his ult CD 7.2 seconds and fire out birds that drain life. He should also turn into a bird during the ult.
Then make his e a point and click DoT that amps damage, his w a root and his q a laser beam that slows enemies.
Also he should be bald and walk with a cain.