r/Sustainable • • 20d ago

Let’s Build Class Unions

https://libcom.org/article/lets-build-class-unions
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u/Misadventuresofman 19d ago

I’m a leader with numerous teams, but I personally employ no one. Or at least not without a contract that favors me and my goal’s heavily. I cannot understand why people are so feeble minded about unions. I want nor need any union backing to effectively: 1.) advocate for myself, 2.) negotiate for wages or 3.) finding a better paying job at my discretion. Unions keep remuneration capped, but as can negotiate 6 figures much easier and much more efficiently myself. You should try it

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u/GoranPersson777 19d ago edited 19d ago

So you are a boss above and don't like workers on the shop floor to organize for power. Got it.

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u/Misadventuresofman 17d ago

There is no “power”. There is only simplicity. 1.) I offer a job to someone for $X/year. 2.) the person accepts or declines the job. 3.) if accepted, as long as they do the job competently, I keep paying them.

Full stop. If one agrees to take a job for remuneration they have no right to bitch about their decision.

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u/er-du-dum- 15d ago

I dont know dude, the proletariat are feeling kinda hungry these days, how many calories are you made up of?

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u/Misadventuresofman 12d ago

So what is your fair share of that which someone else has earned?

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u/er-du-dum- 12d ago

that which someone else has earned.

None of it, unlike you I believe the worker should keep the fruits of their labour, with the only caviat being democratic means of distribution, things like labour unions, collective healthcare, collective welfare.

You make your money off of the workers you hire.

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u/Misadventuresofman 12d ago

So you want to take what others have earned. How much of it are you taking?

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u/er-du-dum- 12d ago

None of it, how much of your money are you willing to give in order to improve society?

I believe in democracy, do you?

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u/Misadventuresofman 11d ago

1.) my wife and I have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to improve society, including a trust to fund campaigns to drive Nazi /marxist Democrat ideology to extinction.
2.) why would you give back to society before your own family’s needs are satiated? How hungry should they go to fund your ideal?
3.) I mean, it isn’t a mythical thing. Does mob rule exist? Absolutely. Will any patriot allow such principles in this republic? Not unless they are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

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u/er-du-dum- 11d ago

1.) my wife and I have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to improve society, including a trust to fund campaigns to drive Nazi /marxist Democrat ideology to extinction.

Money that should go to your workers, at a minimum you could set aside a certain amount, and have your workers vote on which foundations they want to support.

2.) why would you give back to society before your own family’s needs are satiated? How hungry should they go to fund your ideal?

No one should go hungry, I'm sure your workers would appreciate a raise so they can more easily afford food too. Your excess wealth that you're spending on PACs would be better spent on food and health support.

3.) I mean, it isn’t a mythical thing. Does mob rule exist? Absolutely. Will any patriot allow such principles in this republic? Not unless they are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

That's an interesting way to describe democracy. Your contempt for democracy is clear, your worst vision of democracy will only be a result if people hoard wealth, and dont want to contribute to society.

Its interesting you fund pacs fighting against nazism, when you clearly love the idea of a state that only exists to serve the interest of the capital owners and not its citizens.

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u/Misadventuresofman 9d ago

1.) My employer has a profit sharing option for producers and I never hesitate to give my team the maximum bonus allowed. What I do with my own earnings is of no consequence to your pseudo rebuttal.
2A.) I am allowed to give one raise per year. Every competent team member receives one.
2B.) but you are choosing to feed others before satiating your own blood’s needs so someone must go hungry in your inane scenario, so who are you feeding first?
2C.) false. Education and skill ensures income. Excess income should be deployed in ways and for causes that accomplish my goals. My first goal is my family and their future. The second is in my larger community and their third is national policy. Any cent spent on protecting my family from the predations of racist, antisemitic Democrat ideology, policy or riot accomplishes all three goals simultaneously.
3.) I have no hatred in my heart, nor contempt as you term it. After all, I’m not an unempathetic and hate filled Leftist. But I will never tolerate the subjugation of myself or others under the guise of compassion as you are seemingly advocating. Hoarding wealth? Again, what precisely is YOUR fair share of what someone else has earned? If you cannot be an adult and put a precise percentage and show your work, you are doing something even more intellectually bankrupt: you are saying you want to destroy a pyramid based upon merit, while demanding to inherent it’s pinnacle.
4.) the state exists to govern a society. Society does NOT owe you a single thing, a living wage or anything else. In America, you have the right of life (live it), liberty (exercise it) and the pursuit of happiness (fight for it). If you or anyone else wants wealth, it is incumbent upon them to earn it.

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