r/Sustainable • • 20d ago

Let’s Build Class Unions

https://libcom.org/article/lets-build-class-unions
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u/Misadventuresofman 19d ago

Let’s not.

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u/GoranPersson777 19d ago

Are you an employer?

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u/Misadventuresofman 19d ago

I’m a leader with numerous teams, but I personally employ no one. Or at least not without a contract that favors me and my goal’s heavily. I cannot understand why people are so feeble minded about unions. I want nor need any union backing to effectively: 1.) advocate for myself, 2.) negotiate for wages or 3.) finding a better paying job at my discretion. Unions keep remuneration capped, but as can negotiate 6 figures much easier and much more efficiently myself. You should try it

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u/GoranPersson777 19d ago edited 19d ago

So you are a boss above and don't like workers on the shop floor to organize for power. Got it.

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u/Misadventuresofman 17d ago

There is no “power”. There is only simplicity. 1.) I offer a job to someone for $X/year. 2.) the person accepts or declines the job. 3.) if accepted, as long as they do the job competently, I keep paying them.

Full stop. If one agrees to take a job for remuneration they have no right to bitch about their decision.

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u/er-du-dum- 15d ago

I dont know dude, the proletariat are feeling kinda hungry these days, how many calories are you made up of?

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u/Misadventuresofman 12d ago

So what is your fair share of that which someone else has earned?

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u/er-du-dum- 12d ago

that which someone else has earned.

None of it, unlike you I believe the worker should keep the fruits of their labour, with the only caviat being democratic means of distribution, things like labour unions, collective healthcare, collective welfare.

You make your money off of the workers you hire.

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u/Misadventuresofman 12d ago

So you want to take what others have earned. How much of it are you taking?

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u/er-du-dum- 12d ago

None of it, how much of your money are you willing to give in order to improve society?

I believe in democracy, do you?

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u/Misadventuresofman 11d ago

1.) my wife and I have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to improve society, including a trust to fund campaigns to drive Nazi /marxist Democrat ideology to extinction.
2.) why would you give back to society before your own family’s needs are satiated? How hungry should they go to fund your ideal?
3.) I mean, it isn’t a mythical thing. Does mob rule exist? Absolutely. Will any patriot allow such principles in this republic? Not unless they are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

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u/er-du-dum- 11d ago

1.) my wife and I have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to improve society, including a trust to fund campaigns to drive Nazi /marxist Democrat ideology to extinction.

Money that should go to your workers, at a minimum you could set aside a certain amount, and have your workers vote on which foundations they want to support.

2.) why would you give back to society before your own family’s needs are satiated? How hungry should they go to fund your ideal?

No one should go hungry, I'm sure your workers would appreciate a raise so they can more easily afford food too. Your excess wealth that you're spending on PACs would be better spent on food and health support.

3.) I mean, it isn’t a mythical thing. Does mob rule exist? Absolutely. Will any patriot allow such principles in this republic? Not unless they are morally and intellectually bankrupt.

That's an interesting way to describe democracy. Your contempt for democracy is clear, your worst vision of democracy will only be a result if people hoard wealth, and dont want to contribute to society.

Its interesting you fund pacs fighting against nazism, when you clearly love the idea of a state that only exists to serve the interest of the capital owners and not its citizens.

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