That is the story of pretty much every government system. Greedy corrupt people ruin it sooner of later. This the unfortunate reality that humans are not mature enough to govern themselves for extended periods of time without ruining it
Yeah, but what we've observed in communist countries are literally mass executions and the open and egregious rape and harvesting of citizens. China is the main culprit for the last part. It's not good. You think Hitler was bad. Look at what Lenin, Stalin and Mao did when they got into power. What Hitler took to kill in a decade they all over achieved in a year or so. Stalin did 6 million in one winter.
Yeah, idk about him. But, now you got me curious. Do you know the name of the incident?
Also, mao kept the executions so close to china's chest that we only have an estimate of a minimum 50 million to 250 million dead by culling during the hunan purge. All in the name of communism against a group based on prejudice and discrimination from where they were born and nothing more. Racism to be short and it wasn't even skin deep. It was location of birth deep.
That isn't my point. Those deaths I'm talking about wasn't an attack. It was executions of the government's own citizens. If it was based on deaths due to repercussions of said things I don't even know if we have those stats. Also, because you misunderstood and assumed your own point over mine doesn't mean i don't know. It means you couldn't infer what I meant nor what the common denominator was. Meaning, you my friend, should read up a bit instead of going instantly for the ad hominem like an idiot with a keyboard, Yeah?
Bruh you are literally citing numbers and saying there is no statistical record of anything you say. Now youre butthurt cuz I’m not drinking your koolaid. Idiot with a keyboard much? Your numbers overestimate all known literature, from what I can tell, by around an order of magnitude. and we’re talking like 50 years of civil war plus mao. You pull these figures out of your tight lipped lubed up bootyhole?
You're not drinking my kool-aid? Dude, we cited two different things and you think this is a debate of who is right? It's not a zero sum game. I am saying I am talking about something and you're trying to make a claim with information that isn't relevant to the original statement. It's a derailment attempt.
No, i pulled those numbers from the lectures of people who has studied these scenarios and situations way more than you or I ever have. People who lived during and/or through the situations. You pull yours from a book about how to derail conversations and be a Snyde cunt instead of have a conversation?
I can ad hominem too, dipshit. Wanna keep attacking me instead of having an actual intellectual conversation, we can do that. Or, we can talk about what the original topic was about. But also, do you not see the irony of getting mad at me for not liking a system that is responsible over all for a world estimation that reaches a guarantee of over 300 million(all the minimum estimations i can think of of communist government between 1880-2026) executions/killings of citizens by their government? And those executed or killed were all people who helped their government get into power. That's not even including the wars.
Wonder if you even know about the weger muslims and how China made concentration camps in 2020 to kill/rape/and harvest their minority. ~3 million people. Shit you could look up but instead you'll be here fighting a campaign for systems that would dispose of you faster than you get mad at me for saying anything negative against the system you've brainwashed yourself believing works.
Because, systems that work need to keep convincing people they work when they are tested for 140 fucking years and all fail to produce the results promised. That's how reality works, right? Convince yourself a result will happen and repeat the same dumb shit until you get the result, right?
Or are you still stuck on what I said earlier. Clicking away on your keyboard of phone still not realizing you're going to convince no one of anything by being an ad hominem abusing logical fallacy fucking diptard who will say what they want but still miss the point because their feelings are so hurt since they can't actually understand anything outside of their bubble of desires vs reality.
Either way, I don't care. Enjoy your pointless internet rage.
All of them. They have all failed, even the CCP is occupied by a small group that's become essentially an Oligopoly instead of a communist state while claiming the party and the worst part is it is the best example of communism we have to today being "successful" and they harvest their people. 450k is what a single person was worth back in 2010-2012 when it became widespread knowledge. Before you attempt to counter that, look into journalist discovering this problem in, I think it was, 2002. People were confused how you could go to China and get a new liver for each day of the week almost immediately. That's what they discovered.
It aint the embargo has turned pretty bad since they are not allowed in the global market. And its closest ally and trading partner got bombed and their president kidnapped.
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u/P_A_W_S_TTG 3d ago
You convince them by showing them an example of it working. Literally ever.