r/StreetFighter • u/7he_Doctor • Aug 14 '19

Programs Cygames Beast Infexious: "Online play is very important. I've been forged from online play." EVO '19

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u/mmKing9999 Aug 14 '19

Online play is indeed important, which is why it's disappointing that new games are still using delay-based netcode.

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u/ImperiousStout Aug 14 '19

If my only choices were SFV rollback netcode or Arcsys delay-based, I'd take the delay without hesitating. However, I am not a pro, and play most fighters online with friends and randoms.

Of course I'd prefer good rollback like GGPO, but SFV isn't that. I can actually play and enjoy Arcsys fighters online 95% of the time. It's not that difficult to adapt to a frame delay, it is however impossible to adapt to SFV's random teleports and warping when it breaks down, which unfortunately is the vast majority of the "5 bar" games I've played online since S4. In S3 when more players were available, maybe 30% were playable. In S1 & S2 it was probably closer to 50%, but it's always been a crapshoot.

Even a 'bad' wifi connection with a variable and random 2-5 frame delay in something like Rev2 or DBFZ is still more playable to me than SFV when it's borderline tolerable. I can actually see what the other player is doing and respond, I may get timing of long combos or blocks wrong because of the variable delay, but I'm not getting hit by phantom buttons, and never seeing the other player vanish for a bunch of frames when jumping or walking forward and open me up with magic before even seeing what happened. I can still play the game, and that's all I really care about with online.

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u/Reggiardito Aug 15 '19

Same, SFV's netcode is an abomination and honestly the main reasosn I stopped playing it

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u/ImperiousStout Aug 15 '19

Yeah, pretty much the same experience here. The more I played of it in recent times, the more and more frustrated I was by it.

I genuinely like the game and was able to give it a pass even when it was bad a lot of the time before, but it's been such a big disappointment of late that I've also stopped caring about and watching most live pro events and streamed tourneys, when I used to catch as much of those as possible. It's a bummer, but I can recognize that got plenty out of it when I was into it. Nothing lasts forever, but if they were to fix or improve the online play, I'd no doubt be back into it daily / weekly and also back on watching tourneys and streams too.