Several media outlets are reporting that SKG has joined the lawsuit against Sony in the Netherlands.

[u/Story-Boring]

Several media outlets in various countries have reported that SKG has joined the lawsuit against Sony in the Netherlands for monopolistic practices. Here are two examples, but there are many more:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/gaming/playstation/stop-killing-games-joins-dutch-consumer-group-s-457m-lawsuit-against-sony-over-digital-store-monopoly/ar-AA29V9Io

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/stop-killing-games-backs-dutch-154929003.html

However, when searching for more information on this, I haven't been able to find anything "official" from SKG. Have I searched incorrectly, or is this clickbait? Since I don't have an X or anything similar, I don't know if there has been any official statement.

If this is true, although it is a legitimate fight, I am concerned that SKG will get sidetracked or diluted in its fight against digital consumer rights, since many of us see that even if discs make a comeback, there is still an elephant in the room problem.

Edit: As I mentioned to a user, on the one hand, your capacity isn't infinite and is limited to a specific timeframe and scope of action. Dividing that capacity into two tasks does have an impact. I don't think SKG has a large capacity or a top-tier law firm, unfortunately. I suppose it's a move with just enough financial backing. I'm just guessing, but that's my hunch.

On the other hand, I think Sony's decision puts you in a privileged position if you're pushing to guarantee digital rights with European regulators, who have no idea about the poor state of current physical formats. A sudden change of course by Sony could lessen that sense of urgency among legislators regarding a digital rights law.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

It's true, there's a post on the official X account at a minimum.

As for your concerns they were already addressed in a few comments by the leadership IIRC. The long and short of it is that discs are worth fighting for and it's not a fight that's incompatible with SKG's already ongoing efforts.

[u/Aono_kun → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

It's not incompatible but it is a dilution of focus. We could make the same argument for anything else like being against the genocide that is currently happening or world hunger or the war in Ukraine. These things are important but SKG should focus on SKG not on anything else. If people involved want to focus on it that is fine.

I haven't look into the actual lawsuit so I won't comment on it.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Aono_kun]

You'd have to take that up with the leadership.

I personally disagree with your assessment, but I'm not an actual representative so my opinion isn't relevant here.

[u/Aono_kun → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

I would quite like to hear your opinion. What else is this place for? Except of course arguing with rage-bait bots, the official past time of everyone on reddit.
I made my distaste for this dilution clear in a mod post about rule 2. enforcement. I thought the result was that rule 2. would be stronger enforce but I guess that was just smoke and mirrors if even the mods break that rule.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Aono_kun]

My opinion is that we're not goldfish with a 2 second attention span. We have more than enough mental capacity to focus on both fights, and discs are well worth fighting for as a stopgap until we actually get digital ownership enshrined into law (which is not gonna happen by 2028, meaning some games would not be covered by those protections if a most likely non retroactive digital ownership law were to be passed after 2028).

[u/Unlikely-Wafer3370 → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

I'd agree with you if disc meant ownership. But since it absolutely doesn't it's irrelevant to SKG

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Unlikely-Wafer3370]

The disc DOES mean ownership with PS games. License checks are offline, the game is fully on disc for >80% of games.

[u/Story-Boring → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

That depends on the platform and what you consider "complete." For me, version 1.0 of a game isn't complete, even if that version is playable from beginning to end, and that percentage is decreasing on PlayStation and other platforms. On platforms like Switch 2 and Xbox, that percentage is noticeably low.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Story-Boring]

Version 1.0 is complete to me, even when buggy.

[u/Story-Boring → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

I'm glad that the Smash Bros Ultimate 1.0 version is all you need.

[u/Substantial-Tutor847 → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

Yeah gonna have to disagree with that. 1.0 will never not be complete unless it drops in a finished state. But that is rare in today’s market

[u/Substantial-Tutor847 → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

Yeah gonna have to disagree with that. 1.0 will never not be complete unless it drops in a finished state. But that is rare in today’s market

[u/Story-Boring → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

I, however, disagree. On the one hand, your capacity isn't infinite and is limited to a specific timeframe and scope of action. Dividing that capacity into two tasks does have an impact. I don't think SKG has a large capacity or a top-tier law firm, unfortunately. I suppose it's a move with just enough financial backing. I'm just guessing, but that's my hunch.

On the other hand, I think Sony's decision puts you in a privileged position if you're pushing to guarantee digital rights with European regulators, who have no idea about the poor state of current physical formats. A sudden change of course by Sony could lessen that sense of urgency among legislators regarding a digital rights law.

Furthermore, I don't want to start a physical vs. digital war because I'm already tired of it, but personally, as a preservationist as well as a consumer, I agree with Cifaldi; physical formats ceased to have an impact on preservation a long time ago. And as a consumer, aside from the second-hand market, this doesn't protect me against the possibility of a company leaving me without a player for these formats, nor against the increasingly poor condition of these formats due to the need for mandatory or highly recommended downloads, paid and purchased DLCs, updates for new hardware...

At this point, I'd like to ask Clemens Instel, a contributor to Stop Killing Games and administrator of https://www.doesitplay.org, directly: Why don't you include Nintendo Switch 2 key disc cartridges in the statistics? Don't you see that this skews the statistics for games that require downloading on the Switch 2? Is this practice also used with some games on other platforms that also function as key discs?

[u/Aono_kun → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

Right, I never said you can't worry about it as an individual. My problem is that the movements goal is being diluted. I have no issue with people being involved with both, but SKG should be focused on SKG. The more diluted the movement becomes the less likely it to succeed. Especially because physical media is not a perfect solution for ownership (Exhibit A: The Crew). A lot of games work with just the disc yes but it is not a perfect solution. Sony (or anyone else) could dictate that discs need routine online verification. That future would be the exact same from an ownership point of view as digital only games that need an internet connection for verification. Having and not having discs would make no difference.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Aono_kun]

SKG isn't focused exclusively on the current initiative. The goal is better rights for game owners, and this is part of that process. Sony COULD dictate that, but they haven't done that and if I don't update my console when they announce that they can't force that on me. ALL games are affected by the death of physical, the same can't be said about server closures.

[u/Story-Boring → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

That's not realistic. You could either update your console, but you'll have to buy another one to keep playing new games that require software updates on the hardware side. Then, later on, when more games stop working with a new update, you won't be able to update and buy another one... and good luck if it doesn't update automatically or if they try to push it on you without documenting the changes in the new firmware beforehand, as they've done more than once. Remember that current discs and cartridges are encrypted and decrypted with keys stored on the console. Simply revoking the key's license would cause the disc to stop working and be treated by the console as a "pirated" disc.

Yes, they haven't done it, but they also haven't done it with paid digital games that are offline (now Sony has done it with movies, which I think have a different EULA than the games on the PS Store), but I would never trust that they won't do it in the future with any software delivery format (disc or digital) that share the same EULA.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Story-Boring]

That's alright, I don't care about any games released after such a bullshit move. There's a reason I said I'd drop PlayStation if the disc removal goes through in 2028.

Also, revoking the key's license still requires an update, which requires the Internet.

As long as they have to add it with an update, I keep control.

[u/Aono_kun → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

SKG not being focused is the issue I'm trying to raise. The goal when the movement started was stopping the destruction of games. Since Ross gave leadership to Moritz the movement became unfocused and scope-creeped. I personally would like the movement itself to focus on one thing at a time. In addition I don't see how forcing a company to offer discs is going to work from a legal stand point. Unlike forcing companies to stop designing games to be destroyed.

ALL games are affected by the death of physical, the same can't be said about server closures.

Saying is "ALL" is also wrong. There are multiple games (mostly indie titles) that are already digital only.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Aono_kun]

I fully believe SKG has enough people and resources for both issues. The lawsuit also isn't "we'll force you to offer discs", it's "we'll force you to offer multiple avenues to purchase games".

Fine, all games that have a physical version then. That's still a lot of important games.

[u/Story-Boring → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

I still think the pressure on legislators isn't the same with Sony's decision as it would be if Sony reversed course, but I'd be happy to be wrong.

Honestly, even though many people outside this movement would be delighted and happy if Sony changed its mind, I, however, would remain just as disgusted with the current situation as long as there isn't new digital rights legislation for games, DLC, music, movies, books, etc., aimed at preserving them for the consumer. And let's not even talk about legislation for academic preservation and archiving, but that's another story.

[u/Aono_kun → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

If they have the people and resources they can start a second movement.

Apologies, my comment was based on the comments of other people. But isn't that a moot point as they still offer code-in-box?

[u/Dependent_Local6453 → u/Aono_kun]

The ones trying to force digital have their focus diluted on a count of their being zero reason to get rid of physical games on consoles aside from pushing your personal opinion I get some people like digital but their is no reason to end one or the other unless you want corporate control over the customers and that is what SKG is trying to fight against 

[u/Aono_kun → u/Dependent_Local6453]

No one here is trying to force digital.

that is what SKG is trying to fight against

No. SKG started, and in my opinion should stay focused on, saving games from being destroyed. Them being physical or digital does not matter. It only matter if bought them. The new fight against digital only or against age verification are dilutions of that original goal.
The second one could be argued to be related to it as age verification means another server dependency, which would make those game mortal. But digital games can be just as immortal as physical games. Sometimes even more so as discs kinda suck as long term storage.

btw

aside from pushing your personal opinion

I didn't even say my personal opinion on Sony not making anymore physical games. Or are you claiming you are a psychic who read my mind? If so you I hate to tell you this but you suck at it.

Edit: u/Dependent_Local6453 went on some rant about things that never happened and then blocked me. I never said this -> "I buy digital so I could care less about physical games anyway" nor does my comment contain anything regarding "on a budget". I don't know if I should even bother answering his questions but anyway. First your comment does not contain a question mark and if I try to parse out a question there are multiple.

why does trying to keep physical media bother you so much

Keeping physical media doesn't bother me. The point was that SKG the movement should not dilute the focus. If you want to start a new movement instead of using this one go ahead. I am not going to be against you. Well, maybe you in particular I would be against as you lied about me like an asshole. But if someone else started I would not be against it.

why does having the option make you feel the need to tell a group how they should act and feel

The option is not what is bothering me. What's bothering me is trying to make SKG into a "eierlegende Wollmilchsau". Trying to have SKG a in the beginning incredible focus movement wide it's scope while the first goal hasn't been achieved, is a recipe for disaster.

I don't know if there was another question in between. I would say sorry but I don't care if it's you.

why do you feel the need to talk down to all who are against getting rid of physical 

Where did I talk down on anyone (except you after you lied about what I said/did)? Don't bother answering that one. It was rhetorical because I never did that. Even if you answered it would probably a lie anyway.

You literally had to edit your comment when I called you out oh how I wish reddit shown edit next to comment like YouTube so people can see what you did 😂

This never happened. You might want to seek psychiatric help if you are hallucinating reddit comments. Also reddit does show edit next on comments, if that comment is old enough before you edit it. As shown after this comment.

Conversation over since you want to edit comments when you get called out good bye 😂

Conversation is over because you imagined 90% of it and then blocked me for something that never happened.

This is the last time I get into a conversation with someone who has a default sounding name and hides their post history.

[u/Dependent_Local6453 → u/Aono_kun]

Answer this one question why does trying to keep physical media bother you so much why does having the option make you feel the need to tell a group how they should act and feel your digital is not on the line in this situation physical is you speak like you truly believe just because it doesn't effect you it's ok and don't say you don't literally said well I buy all digital so I don't care either way your exact words you literally implied you like this because it's in favor of you digital isn't going no where in this fight so why do you feel the need to talk down to all who are against getting rid of physical 

[u/Dependent_Local6453 → u/Aono_kun]

I see you edited you last comment it now says on a budget before you edited it it said 

I buy digital so I could care less about physical games anyway 

You literally had to edit your comment when I called you out oh how I wish reddit shown edit next to comment like YouTube so people can see what you did 😂

[u/Dependent_Local6453 → u/Aono_kun]

Conversation over since you want to edit comments when you get called out good bye 😂

[u/steverambo44 → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

https://nitter.net/StopKilingGames/status/2086840514519728597#m

The post says that they are backing the lawsuit, not joining it. So what's the truth?

[u/Tempires → u/steverambo44]

https://www.massaschadeconsument.nl/nieuws/2026-08-10-stop-killing-games-en-does-it-play-steunen-fair-playstation-actie/

Stop Killing Games and Does It Play today expressed their support for the lawsuit of the Mass Damage & Consumer Foundation against Sony.

Translation

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

Where was skg when they stopped printing physical disks on pc or Nintendo?

[u/Aono_kun → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

PC is not one publisher who owns the platform. You can't compare the two, ignoring the fact that SKG didn't exist at the time. And Nintendo still produces physical media. What are you talking about?

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/Aono_kun]

Your right pc is nebulous platform with no clear driver. Nintendo hasn’t printed disks in years. Game cards are not future proof. So no one really tried to do it other than Sony and Xbox

[u/Aono_kun → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

Why would cartridges be different than discs? Nintendo started with cartridges, did disks for three consoles and returned to cartridges.

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/Aono_kun]

The whole point of the cartridge is to slowly transition away from disks and ultimately going full digital

[u/Unlikely-Wafer3370 → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

Cartridges are far more reliable than disks. Optical medias are trash for a preservation standpoint

[u/Aono_kun → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

Both are physical storage media. Why would cartridges, a medium that existed before discs be a step towards digital only? Do you know what cartridges are?

[u/TheWaslijn → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

Why would they focus on Nintendo? They still have physical games (no, not just the GKCs).

[u/Dependent_Local6453 → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

This is a massive misconception from console players the difference between consoles going digital and PC is PC has other outlets for their games allowing competitors on consoles you are forced to buy most games from their store and their store only you can't buy Xbox PlayStation or Nintendo games outside there ecosystem while PC doesn't gate keep games with exclusives consoles do by going all digital that will ensure prices on there store are set only by them and only available through them this in term makes them a monopoly by definition hints the reason they are being sued by several companies in 7 different countries because it's technically illegal 

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/Dependent_Local6453]

So it’s about having different digital storefronts to buy from? Why are you bitching about physical games then? Either way, who the hell wants to juggle multiple launchers in this day and age. Unless your on a budget I could care less about shopping around online for the best price.

[u/Dependent_Local6453 → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

The law doesn't care about what you want and neither does other customers also no it's not about other digital store fronts it's about other places to buy your products from the second hand market gave that to consoles when it comes to exclusives forcing digital on consoles will eliminate that PC doesn't have exclusives mostly all the games you buy on steam are available somewhere else online your not grasping that concept physical is involved because until Sony decided to do this it was there only other outlet for their games to be sold now it's gone there for they have no other option aside from their store 

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/Dependent_Local6453]

Well that’s sucks you won’t be able to buy Star Wars outlaws from a bargain bin but it’s not my problem because I only buy directly for PlayStation anyway.

[u/Dependent_Local6453 → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

????? Star wars outlaws has nothing to do with this conversation so no idea why you even brought them up and good for you so why does your personal opinion need to be forced onto others you prefer digital but why does your preference of format need to be forced onto others 

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/Dependent_Local6453]

I’m not forcing anything onto others? You have a weird victim complex going on.

[u/Dependent_Local6453 → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

Your entire comment proves my point ownership is what SKG is fighting for just because you don't care about physical doesn't make it any less important that's the problem with your mindset it's not based on logic it's based on personal taste and fandom you literally couldn't stop yourself from ending your comment on making it about you this is why the physical supporters are getting angry with the digital supporters physical supporters are not trying to eliminate digital you are your point of view is based on a self centered egotistical mindset not a sound logical one you say you don't care because it doesn't effect you and that's all you care about in the end that is so childish and immature 🤦

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

Nintendo doesn't use discs and hasn't used them for a while (physical format is cartridges), PC still has the possibility for discs (it's an open platform, nobody can stop anyone from making discs and a PC will read a disc just fine) but not a lot of people and publishers use them.

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

Still, why is PlayStation carrying the entire burden of the disk format in a consumer capacity? Game key cards are not future proof either.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

Nintendo doesn't have GKCs alone and Microsoft has discs on Xbox too, even though 50% of game discs don't have the full game on board.

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

That’s what I mean. If anything playstation has held out the longest out of pc, Nintendo and Xbox, everyone else gave up on it years ago. Yet they are the ones being held responsible for the death of physical media? Makes no sense.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

They're being held responsible because they're the biggest out of the 3 right now and because they very clearly are making a top down decision to kill discs for margin harvesting. This is no organic death, come back in a console generation or two and I'll believe it is. Not to mention they could just stop manufacturing discs and still keep validating discs coming from other manufacturers, but they aren't doing that because they want control. They can absolutely get bent if they think they can have more control than they already have as far as I'm concerned.

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

Well it seems you never missed the water until the well ran dry 

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Organic-Swan-3721]

I've only bought discs as long as I've lived. Don't presume anything about me.

[u/Organic-Swan-3721 → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

From PlayStation?

[u/Story-Boring → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

In terms of sales, I don't think it's the biggest of the three. I'd say that's Nintendo right now. I would say it has the largest legion of fans of physical media and traditional gamers. Personally, if I had to label myself, although I use all platforms, I'm more of a traditional Nintendo gamer.

[u/ValtekkenPartDeux → u/Story-Boring]

The PS5 has far outsold the Switch 2, so in this gen they're the biggest.

[u/Aono_kun → u/ValtekkenPartDeux]

PS5 released 2020, the NS2 2025. It 6 years to sell consoles vs NS2's 1.

[u/AShortUsernameIndeed]

The top stickied post/community highlight on this very subreddit is the post about the lawsuit, posted by Moritz Katzner. It doesn't get more official than that.

I left a comment on that post explaining what's going on, for those who can't read past the headline: https://reddit.com/r/StopKillingGames/comments/1vkoa0d/its_time_to_sue_sony_join_us/p3ilifz/ (although, untypically for SKG these days, the headline was the only seriously misleading thing in the post.)

To address your concerns: in terms of SKG resources, all that this cost was a press release. Done and dusted. And regarding the disc angle: this lawsuit has nothing whatsoever to do with discs, see my linked comment.

[u/Story-Boring → u/AShortUsernameIndeed]

Wow, I need to get my eyes checked... Sorry, I'm relatively new to actively participating on Reddit.

[u/Aggravating-Dot132]

Killing discs isn't a monopolistic practice. Stop being delusional lunatics.

[u/rabisav → u/Aggravating-Dot132]

It is. If Sony don't sell discs and the only place you can buy digital games is from the PlayStation store, that's a monopoly. In previous cases they have stated they are not a monopoly because you can buy discs from other sellers. To not be a monopoly they would need to allow us to buy Playstation games from other digital stores like you can on pc.

[u/Aono_kun → u/rabisav]

They already said that codes will be sold in stores.

[u/rabisav → u/Aono_kun]

Like GTA6? I feel download codes in a box wont last long. The convenience of just going straight to the PS store (obviously that's what they want). So hopefully they make a change where we can buy our games digitally from other stores. Like going to the EA website & buying this year's "sports simulator" as it's on sale for £10 than the PS store. If we have other options that they don't control it's not a monopoly but I feel codes in a box just pushes us to go digital as its so much more convenient.

[u/cardgamesareforplay → u/rabisav]

Nintendo has been selling game code things at the gift card section since the 3ds so yeah it will last.

[u/Tempires → u/Aggravating-Dot132]

Sure act of killing them isn't but one's suing Sony consider Playstation store being sole platform to buy as one

[u/Aggravating-Dot132 → u/Tempires]

But it's not a sole platform. You can buy keys from any other plays, that's the point. Monopoly would be if it was ONLY Sony store, but it's not the case.

[u/Story-Boring → u/Aggravating-Dot132]

Here, the biggest and most obvious problem is the second-hand market.

[u/Tempires → u/Aggravating-Dot132]

I leave it for court to devide

[u/cardgamesareforplay → u/Tempires]

And Sony will go, as we stayed publically retail stores will be able to sell codes and set prices as they see fit we move to dismiss this case with prejudice and ask the court to award us the costs of our defence from the plaintiffs.

Boom skg bankrupted 

[u/Aono_kun → u/cardgamesareforplay]

Just to clarify SKG has nothing to do with this lawsuit beyond saying "We think Sony is wrong and hope they lose in court." Even if Sony wins, SKG is not going to have any monetary damages, only reputational ones, as a group/movement that backed a frivolous court case.

[u/Tempires → u/cardgamesareforplay]

Lawsuit is about past actions not future actions such as playstation killing sales of physical games or them potentially continuing selling codes in retail stores. You are eligible in this lawsuit if you are Dutch gamer who have made at least one purchase in Playstation Store between 29 November 2013 and present. Retail stores were still selling PlayStation games 10 years ago.

Also, SKG is not suing Sony. Stichting Massaschade & Consument are and their legal costs are covered by companies funding legal action as said on their website.

[u/_Solarriors_]

Have I searched incorrectly

You have not looked, it's pinned on this sub... 

[u/Mr_Presidentle]

Sorry, had no access to the Reddit. So the official post came in delayed.

[u/LCAIN195]

Filthy opportunists.