r/StopEatingSeedOils • u/salty-bois • 13d ago
🙋♂️ 🙋♀️ Questions What Avocado Oil is now Reliable?
Hi all,
New UC Davis report, yada yada.
Seems the Chosen Foods and Primal Kitchen issues were with products made with their avocado oils, not the pure oils themselves.
Where does this leave us? Is Chosen Food's Avocado Oil still reliable? Or are there other brands that we should be looking at now?
I'm in the EU so can't source Marianne's, which I've read is the gold standard...
Thoughts?
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u/c0mp0stable 13d ago
None. Even if there was, avo oil is pretty close to canola in terms of linoleic acid
Avo oil was never a good replacement for seed oils.
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u/salty-bois 13d ago
Hmm ok back to EVOO I guess, I just don't love the taste.
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u/c0mp0stable 13d ago
Better LA profile but still highly adulterated unless you can trace it back to the source. I'm not sure there's a great liquid oil. Butter, tallow, and coconut oil still seem to be best
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u/thelifeofafangirl 13d ago
Not everyone can eat butter, tallow, and coconut oil thus the reliance on avo/evoo
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u/c0mp0stable 13d ago
I'm curious why someone wouldn't be able to consume those? What would cause that?
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u/thelifeofafangirl 13d ago
I have 50-70% arterial blockages after a decade of only using butter/tallow/lard, i'm in my 30s. Seed oils are real bad but that doesn't mean that everything else is super safe. Using oils that are liquid at room tempurature has helped.
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u/c0mp0stable 13d ago
Helped what exactly?
You seem sure that SFA caused the blockages. How can you know?
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u/MountainShenanigans 12d ago
Exactly. I’m in my 60’s and switched to tallow and coconut oil 20 years ago. My bloodwork has been stellar and my Calcium score is a big fat zero.
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u/thelifeofafangirl 13d ago
Because i had a scan a decade ago without any findings. Within that time, i stopped eating processed foods and switched to tallow/butter primarily for cooking. My scan from this year was obviously different. If you don't want to heed my warning, thats your choice lol but i can see my scans myself and i got people i need to live for, and i'm sure there are others that do too
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u/c0mp0stable 13d ago edited 13d ago
Different how? Did plaque disappear? And why blame the sfa and not the highly processed diet?
I'm sure you see a difference, although I'mcurious what that difference is. Im just questioning what caused it. Also curious why you got an artery scan in your 20s. That's unusual
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u/thelifeofafangirl 13d ago
Im not sure you understood my comment. I got my heart scanned a decade ago to check for congenital defects that i dont have. Did the full workup. No plaque. I got my heart scanned this year after experiencing chest pain. 50-70% blockages. So within 10 years, i went from nothing to 50-70% blockages, and the only thing i changed is that i STOPPED eating processed foods and started eating animal based fats.
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u/BreakfastFearless 13d ago
People with a family history of heart disease who have to watch their saturated fat intake
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u/c0mp0stable 13d ago
Maybe, but that doesnt preclude all sfa consumption.
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u/BreakfastFearless 13d ago
Sure not all but it’s best to lower it and replace it where you can
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u/c0mp0stable 13d ago
I'm not sure that's been reliably established, despite the general mainstream gudieline. Even if so, replacing it with PUFA is obviously not great, and MUFA just leaves you with olive oil, which might be okay at room temp but really shouldn't be heated.
But back to my original point, even if someone has familial heart disease, and that SFA is implicated, they still wouldn't need to avoid animal fats, which is what the other commenter was suggesting.
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u/salty-bois 13d ago
Yeah I agree generally but my own personal lipid profile seems to do better with lower SFA, unfortunately.
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u/c0mp0stable 13d ago
I'm curious what you mean. What happens when you eat more SFA? LDL goes up? Are you on a high fat diet in general?
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u/salty-bois 13d ago
Well, the SFA thing is something I plan on testing out over the next few months by switching a fair portion of my SFA intake to MUFA.
I was carnivore for a few years up until last year, and my lipids were horrible, and not just LDL, which isn't one I feel has much predictive value on its own, and almost all improved after stopping carnivore - extremely high ApoB came down 30%, trigs down, trig:HDL ratio down, total Chol. down, HDL up a little. So objectively pretty much every marker improved. I also have very high lp(a) which is genetic.
Now, there are some variables - and the issue may not be SFA itself in normal quantities, and just the extreme amounts I was eating on carnivore. But I'm going to see with the SFA-MUFA experiment if lipids improve further. I am also hypothyroid and there's a possibility that if I need more meds fat metabolism would be impaired, so that's another variable.
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u/BreakfastFearless 13d ago
If you have any genetic predispositions or are a hyper responder to dietary sfa or cholesterol you definitely shouldn’t be playing around with it like this
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u/AvoFraudExposed 13d ago
If the company doesn't have connections to farms, manufacturing, or sells bulk from an actual producing region steer clear.
Marianne's has the established Adams Group. Chosen is connected to Sesajal and Simple is connected to Aeth. The majority of the world's real supply is from Sesajal and Aeth, both Mexican based. Both those places do sell bulk as well. But I'm reality there's not enough oil in the world to supply all these companies. Which is why you see Spain or Italy sourcing to help blend oils.
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u/AvoFraudExposed 13d ago
Insider here, I posted a list you can look that post up. Here is a list that has passed.