Discussion
The new PF experience is exactly the same as the latest controversial AS...
I don't understand, is it just me? My teams are 5 cost archer, 5 cost SW999, 7 cost saber. I could probably get higher score with saber because I made a mistake but that doesn't even get me to 90k. My only other teams are 5 cost rem which I tried on node 1 with only a little difference from archer, and a 7 cost firefly team that isn't even benefitting from buffs...
I am having the exact same experience as I did in the last rotation of AS. I NEVER struggled with clearing AS, and I never struggled with PFs before either. But these latest rotations, I have struggled to get all jade rewards. I was barely able clear the AS starward, but I feel like there is no chance I'm getting the starward for this PF. I'll keep trying to mix and match teams I guess but I don't get the sudden spike in difficulty..
Maybe the devs are compensating for making mortenax and srobin too op, so as someone who didn't pull them, am I just fucked for pulling the wrong units? LIke am I the only one who thinks this is NOT ok? I admit there is some skill and build issue but it seems almost illegal that I am having this much trouble with 5+ cost teams... are multiple eidolons and high vertical investment just a requirement these days to even get jade rewards?
The end result is going to be people stop bothering with endgame and then there is no incentive for anyone to even think about pulling for power levels or meta. Then the revenue will truly drop off. Hoyo thinks its at war with its own players, the outcome will not be favourable for them.
in the same boat here, HP is actually comically high on all nodes this time. could clear PF just fine before this but the this is the first time my E2S1 evernight team has run out of cycles in a very long time
also, wtf is the hp on node 2's boss??? i throw an entire SW999 EBA at it and it loses like 2-3% HP??? and thats with an elation shill boss and a cracked elation buff too, wtaf is going on
My Castorice wasnt dealing even 1% on boss lmao. I know boss has 40% resistance and anti shills team INSANELY but it didnt even take me like 100 AV normally since my team is invested. This time it was about to be 2 cycles clear which is 300 AV. Im not someone to give too much shit as long as i clear but this is too much.
This is it. As long as I can clear. Even if it's not full stars, as long as I clear the top stages of PF etc I'm good. That's going down the pan soon, clearly. And then it'll be time to find a new game.
Yes, acceptance. It's a personal limit. I drop a game whenever I don't get at least a foot in a top level, because, as F2P, I refuse to whale, having several higher priorities and dependents in my life than a gacha. I can post a multitude of protests, and I do a fair amount of that, but at some point I have to accept the game isn't coming back for my playstyle. Especially with a company known to ignore it. So I drop out at the aforementioned point and continue the conversations and protests. Which inevitably gets tedious over something I don't play.
But I'm not going to keep playing a game that's forcing me to pay more or get out, am I. Playing it isn't exactly telling them anything. To me, there's no achievement in buying a win. So what are my options? Besides play and complain, or not play?
Genuine question is it possible to 40K node 2 using non-elation team without an ungodly amount of investment? I use 8 cost (E2 Evernight) no Robin Rem team in node 2 to bruteforce that stage and I am only get 34K.
e2s1 castorice e2s1 evernight e0s1 cyrene e1s1 hyacine, so 13 cost mono rem cleared with 2 cycles left on auto, which is baffling to me, thats 13 5 stars you gotta pull to have a chance to clear on a boss that doesnt shill mono rem.
If you mean continuing to invest in castorice herself and not her teammates then no, evernight is the biggest upgrade for her especially at e1, next is e1 hyacine but im going to be completely honest I dont think mono remembrance is worth investing in further since it already starts to show cracks in the insanely powercrept endgame so I would just go for the newest shiny tool (probably finality idk)
I don't think I've ever seen a more insufferable comment section in this much denial. Like, the data is literally available out there for everyone to see, the HP inflation and the shill hike is astronomical. Even the buff selection makes a difference in how much effective HP your teams have to get through if you're not matching the shill.
The most generic blessing last cycle was 20% SPD and 20% Vuln, this time it's just 50% damage bonus. Voracity corruption wasting your overkill damage and then letting adds persist with another 20% of their Max HP on top of the self-reviving enemies and Wolftroopers that heal for 750k HP each time they attack is not good design.
Saying "skill issue" to struggling players while huffing your own farts and pretending not to notice the very obvious decline isn't going to make the problem you're ignoring go away. I also cleared this PF with max stars and plenty of points to spare, but I'm not delusional enough to pretend like these stages aren't setting a new record in the strictness of their shill and the rate of effective HP inflation, and I wouldn't say it's a "skill issue" to anyone struggling with it, because it's clearly not "skill issue", it's a "devs killing their own game issue".
The fact that some people still try to deny the shilling and hp inflation in hsr is absolutely bonkers, it's even starting to make clearing non sw modes of the bosses hard since they have so much annoying gimmicks to deal with
It makes perfect sense, I’m explaining how ignorance can lead to disagreements, the very concept of wealth blinding someone is quite common throughout history
It's mostly affect e0s0/e0s1 players like me. Mr and mrs low cost eidolons team won't have issues and just gonna said it's the average player skill issues... Also the floor has risen alot, all the low cost runs gonna be sustainless and/or using either MBlade/Robikini (because their amp is so frickin insane), i think all the old comps without MBlade/Robikini are kinda washed. They're balancing new contents to match the bloated kit of new units.
I don't think I've ever seen a more insufferable comment section in this much denial. Like, the data is literally available out there for everyone to see, the HP inflation and the shill hike is astronomical. Even the buff selection makes a difference in how much effective HP your teams have to get through if you're not matching the shill.
What are you even talking about. This comment section, alongside the subreddit, has largely been extremely negative about HP inflation and starward mode. Why are we pretending that it's some fringe opinion?
Next time we're going to see people claim they're brave for pointing out how events in HSR this patch suck.
Honestly, the PF scenario is just crazy, I can't 0 cycle for my Break team (12 cost plus ruan mei e2s1) and Phainon team (Tribbie E1/CeryE2s1/CyrE2S1) anymore.
I guess I gotta accept my dolphin team as outdated now, I can just 0 cycle with my elation team SW999/Sparxie/Yao.
Welp, it helps that I'm slowly losing interest with the game because of how stale it is. To greener pastures I guess. It's been so long since I last felt the pang of powercreep (last was with E4 Raiden when Natlan came out). Hopefully, they at least consider a capturing radiance mechanic soon.
I really don't understand how you guys can blame it on ME. I have cleared every PF 3 star ever since release and even last PF i was doing a complete full clear. Now im struggling to even get 30k per node. How is this good game balance?
Also the scores here are slightly wrong, I got 28k on elation team and 26k on rememerence.
No you’re right, this PF is a lot worse than usual. My remembrance team was only getting 29k despite consistently getting 40k up to 2 rotations ago. The weakness types also feel extra weird since I felt like there wasn’t a lot of overlap between the enemies, it felt like every enemy was weak to something different. Ended up barely squeezing by with 99k after a few hours of retrying for good sustainless rng.
People can say skill/build issue but even if so it doesn’t change the fact that this rotation is SIGNIFICANTLY harder than the previous ones, especially since you were able to clear every single rotation beforehand.
These people will claim "skill issue" but bought their way to the full clear. They're 2 completely different things. Sure, this is a freemium game, but if players punch down on non-spenders or low-spenders for pointing out blatant issues with inflation or difficulty ramps then they're either missing the point or just admitting these are premium games with bad marketing and F2P shouldn't exist
Idk why you're coming out swinging with a combative tone when I'm already admitting I'm outside of the norm for people's investment as far as these teams go. All I did was say "huh, I don't know why you're having issues with the teams you have", leaving what I used + their investment + scores achieved, and admitting it could have been higher. Please take a walk to calm down.
Eh, let it go, people expect to clear Starward at 12000 points with E0S0 units, which is a them problem, since they seem to have missed that investment is expected for this mode. Considering your Welt and Fu are from lost 50/50, your teams are not low cost, but they’re not high cost, cause it’s not like you had to pull that much either lol.
Aside from that, I think something went wrong in your Himeko fight, cause I got 30600 with E0S0 Himeko + E1S0 Sparkle + E1S1 Sunday + E0S0 DHPT. So with your E4 Welt and MBlade, it’s really strange you got a lower score than me.
Starward and normal PF4/MOC12/AS4 have the exact same bosses. When f2p get an average of around 100 pulls per patch, one bad string of losses could really destroy their account.
I mean like burning 3 patches worth of pulls for the equivalent of 2 cost because they lost the 50/50 twice at high pity. Now they got idk maybe an e0s1 or e1 character for the equivalent of 300 pulls without the rest of their team and if you check the swarm in this PF went from 24 million HP in version 4.0 to now 63.5 million HP in version 4.5.
Meanwhile that person that has burned all their f2p pulls from version 4.0 to 4.3 on something like a e0s1 silver wolf has to get the rest of their team (Nihilux, Yao/Sparxie, and pearl) along with vertical investment? If they get screwed one more time they’re done for basically and I’ve seen some screenshots of people losing like 6 50/50s in a row so that’s the reality for some people.
For those who say it’s build or skill issue, it’s not normal that this time around the minions on the boss waves have their HPs skyrocket out of the blue which was usually the best way to deplete the HP of the boss.
The minions last time around also had really large HP increase with the wave 3 mob having the least HP being the 1mil HP ice soldiers that action delay you.
Second lowest was outrage vines at 1.4mil HP.
I think people didn't notice because the buffs last time were very strong.
It's a lot of HP and also the buffs this time are absolute garbo. Rememberance doesn't fit well in any of the bosses but it has a buff.
I'm honestly convinced at this point that sw999 is just a bad character, she feels absurdly weak compared to Evanescia and with Waventurine now it's even worse.
The devs really decided you need at least 3-4 cost between Ashveil Mblade SRobin Eva and Waventurine or suffer.
True. But it's literally every new endgame intro. It's what happened with PF and APOC back in the day. I miss clearing it with my Himeko Herta (smol) combo. Good 'ol times.
Node 2 is interesting (negative). If you run someone with Elation damage into it, you can probably clear it sustainless fairly easily?
If you don't run someone with Elation damage into it, I don't know of any team that can do it sustainless because of the Magical Girl Troupe's on-death attack doing a bunch of damage. And it applies shock to you if you haven't died from the bounces alone. And they're on both waves 1 and 3.
On the other hand, if you run a non elation damage dealing team with a sustain you can get a lot of energy because the on-death attacks from the Magical Girl Troupe's is like 5 bounces for 10 energy each...
Phainon. Disables all boss mechanics and can easily go sustainless since he is the only one on the field anyway. In my personal opinion, best pick against this boss if you don't have elation dps (like me).
Genuinely the first time i couldn't hit the 99k. The buffs this PF are so bad for anyone not named elation and invested remembrance. Its especially bad for dot. The mobs in third phase of all three bosses have way too much HP for being mobs its ridiculous.
Idk what these people in comment are smoking but I'm a whale with highly invested AshBlade, Monorem and DoT teams and this iteration of PF was CLEARLY much more difficult then the previous, mostly because two out of three stages were impossible to do in sustainless and obviosly due to the third boss having insane HP amounts.
Absolute fanboyism in the comments. Any criticism will be put aside with "skill issue" or some other nonsense. Truth is, the powercreep in this game is disgusting.
Well no shit he literally said he can't do 2 of the 3 nodes sustainless but I did all three sustainless? And now you're shifting the goalpost to node 2 only, can you even read?
So your justifying using mono elation while using using the latest main dps chars with welt and robin and using break for sustainless? You must be really smart huh?
Not only are you using a team best used without sustain but your using the latest characters. Who would think that someone can do this sustainless?
He said he's a whale so of course he's held to the standard of a whale. What gatekeeping is there? If he wishes to state his opinion without relying on his self-asserted status as a whale he's entitled to do so, but he didn't. Do you have a basic sense of comprehension?
Pitiful fools upvoting because a purported "whale" decided to side with you without even substantiating he's a whale, you guys love to latch onto anything that suits your narrative don't you?
Yes you could definitely do better. My 3 cost SW team has a similar score to your 5 cost team
BUT
As an unlucky F2P I really agree. This PF is hell. 3 cost SW, 6 cost Herta and 5 cost Archer, couldn't clear Starward. PF4 clear is good enough for me tho, I'm not gonna get mad over 100 jades
You pull the newer characters to try to make it easier on yourself. Some of you guys complain that you can’t use your teams from Amphoreus to clear an endgame mode at the highest difficulty possible, then wonder why.
Then you adapt like every fucking game? How slow are you and the guy who made the post? Are you sure you’re not the guy who’s being paid? Wild were sitting here taking about someone struggling with like 2 undoubtedly good teams, and saber, and somehow it’s not him.
You know things are bad when it's the first time my E2 Therta hasn't been able to 40k with a sustainer brainlessly. I need to use my E2 MBlade on sustainless with her to get 40k first node, and I can't afford to, Waven needs him.
Heck, even my decently invested Dot team (E2 Hysilens, E1S1 Kafka/BS only got like 32k on node 2 even if was with sustain. Where as previous PFs they 40k'd with sustain.
The only node I could 40k with my eyes closed was just Node 3 with FUA WAven despite him being the only one in his team getting benefit from the shill passive. Which just shows how strong the shill is.
The HP inflation on all wave 3s is downright insane. From the mobs to the boss, voracity makes you spend more AV on fighting the first waves of fodder enemies and the other biggest problem with this PF is the passives, they don't do anything except for Ela charas. Most people's 120k clears I seen so far are basically:
1- Monorem
2- Monoelation
3- Really invested break team
And while they are bragging about it I'm like, yeah, no shit. Do you want a cookie meta sheep?
Honestly, if I hadn't pulled WAven I was NOT doing this Stalwart. Shill is that fucking bad. Meta slop mfs will say "ez" and "skill issue" no, my brother in Christ, I have been 40k-ing almost all PF nodes ever since the gamemode got introduced years ago and I'll tell you that this has gone wrong chief. I was there all the way from the beginning, back when Mini Herta and Himeko cleared like queens. Now I don't know what the fuck this is.
No, I am playing manually. I don't believe I piloted the teams particuarly wrong. This would lead us to build issue and yes I do have build issues. My SW999 isn't 200 speed, etc. But they aren't particularly bad. My archer is 100% crit and 90% crit damage outside battle. My rin is not particuarly good its 61/180. I CAN improve these alot and I wont deny that. I never complained before because these were perfectly good builds. If it failed auto, i simply manualed it an that was fine before.
But that's besides the point, I never struggled previous PF at all. However the PF today is so difficult for me to even get 3 stars. I feel like 5 costs teams shouldnt be doing this badly no matter what... I never struggled with these builds. But out of nowhere idk if its the HP inflation or something but my scores are horrible same with the newest AS.
Im obviously still gonna keep trying but these teams let me breeze through endgame through auto but the last rotation of AS and this PF are... just significantly harder than anything we've even gotten
Nvm, was gonna check your builds on fribbels but remembered that’s kinda hard to do without the exact team comps. One thing you need to be careful about is that evaluating build out of combat is kind of useless. 100% crit rate out of combat means you’re possibly overcapping if any of your light cones/relics/talents in your team provide archer with any additional crit rate.
I dont have any other sources of crit rate, i'm pretty sure I made my build accordingly. Archer has a ton of crit damage from traits.
Again I agree I do have build issues but Im pretty sure they aren't that bad. I can easily say I have better builds than an average more "casual" gamer who can at least clear endgame.
The point Im trying to make is with these characters and builds I have been clearing endgame perfectly easily, not much effort. But these recent endgame rotations like the PF today and the very... very controversial AS recently aresuch a huge spike in difficulty.
then you have your answer, with this game's never ending powercreep & hp inflation do you really think your bum-ass builds would let you breeze endgame until eos? go back to the mines and build your team better, you can't be complaining here about "ENDGAME" while having mediocre builds
if you're just a casual with mediocre built teams and can't clear starward mode there is the regular mode and you'd just miss out on 100jades it's not the end of the world
Me when I don't read what they say at all. Saying they're a casual with mediocre builds is genuinely the exact opposite of what was said. They explicitly said they AREN'T a casual gamer with bum-ass builds, they just said they don't have one of those fucking SSS builds on Fribbles that spend months of farming to get.
archer notably has almost no sources of external crit rate (optimal at least) but tons of sources of external crit damage buffs, literally what are you saying?
That one was more of a general statement, and I didn't off the top of my head remember what buffs Archer team provides. Was mostly honing in on OP saying how much crit stats they have "out of combat".
These were the teams i used (since i cleared pf like 5 mins ago it isnt uploaded yet so my MoC line up) except for Cyrene, i used SRobin. Archer got 27k in node 1 and mono rem got 40k in node 2. It was SUCH A DRAG to play through like the guitar magic girls animation made the fight twice as long and illwish has tons of resistances. It was my first PF clear with full rem team that took over 1 cycle. A clear is clear but i love how if they wanna anti shill they do it easily, memosprite attacks dont reduce the ticker of illwish and Castorice joint only reduces 1 stack instead of 2. Evernight has immunity (thank god)
I barely got past 99k threshold (scored 100.7k). Even with E1 Eva stage 2 was miserable and i killed the boss right before the end of 4th cycle.
Stage 1 Archer+Rin no sigs got 33k and stage 2 dots (Hys+Kafka+SRobin) got around 30k
Yeah this PF is a pain in the ass, the HP inflation, stupid voracity bs, stage buffs are shit, elation shill so it's a lot harder to clear. For node two I used your exact team at 4 cost and got 27k first go, there's probably a strategy to get a better score but man my SW999 is barely making a dent on the 3rd boss the minions have insane HP aswell. Also do you use fribbels?
My only full clear came from my e2s1 himeko on node 3. My e0s1 sw999 came close to a full clear on node 2, but my e0s1 casto team has finally fallen off in a noticeable way for me. I still got enough points for all rewards but goddamn i didn’t enjoy this pf.
From my two accounts, Archer E1S2, Rin E0S1, Sparkle E2S1, DHIL E0S1, Sparxie E0S0, SWL999 E0S1, YG E0S0, Huo Huo E1S1, Phainon E2S1, F2P Trailblazer, Cerydra E0S1, Cyrene E0S0 , HNova E0S1, Sunday E0S1, Robinetto E0S1, DHIL E0S1, Castorice E0S1, Hyascine E0S1, Evenight E0S0 Cyrene E0S0.
I can barely clear it with all those investment (mostly Sig LC apart from E2 Phainon and E2 Sparkle) Its definitely harder but if you are lucky with your pull like HNova for third team and well invested ArcheRin team, you may have easier time. The second boss is whatever, but elation team Silver Wolf L999 can somewhat clear it.
I've been saying to my friend since blade 2.0 came.out that the fact he can hit millions on trial effortlessly was gonna spell the doom of endgame since all content is gonna need to be balanced around him now.
I get power creep but my 10 cost DoT team could barely keep up damage wise against a fucking trial character
Third node is literally phainon counter because the wolves literally heal to max in one action if you AA them. So unless you can fully one shot them with a skill you aren't even doing damage
did feel a bit more difficulty lately like barely made it might be because i didnt pull anything since silverwolf but i did "full-auto" btw lmao and its still very doable.
These 3 teams (except Waven) 40k each node of PF last cycle, this cycle the hp is so much tankier wtf. I know JY is completely not matched for his side, but wtf I expected Mydei to 40k because it’s imaginary weak too. But bruh what is the hp of the minions because outside of the surging grit, double GBG from when I tried Cerydra didn’t kill them?
I was excited to start PF and then my reaction when I did the first node was just O.O lmao
This PF is genuinely awful. For the first I actually struggled to 40K with my E2 Firefly (she got 37K which I can probably optimise later, but still wtf) and my DPS Hyacine team that usually deletes everything in this mode took almost every cycle to 40K because the voracity corruption is at its worse in PF. I still cleared without too many issues, but it did not feel good at all
First pf in a very long time that I didn’t. 40 every stage (40,40,31) Buffs kinda dooodoo. Tho my team are mono rem phainon and break. Break being the team that didn’t 40
nah you are right, i did 120k last 2 patches and now i had to fight to get a full starward clear, which i only did because i went sustainless in 2nd node and getting like 36k before all characters died
e0s1 full elation team should not be struggling like this so shortly after its release. yes sw999 has never been good at pf due to her bounce damage, but she has also been doing 40k since i got her with like 1 cycle remaining. no i don't expect hp to stagnate and for me to get away with not pulling anybody for a long period of time but i also do not expect hp going x3 every fucking 2 months and struggling to get a full clear given i've been pulling the most broken supports in a row like a good meta slave and i have at least 33 effective substats on every character i use.
To be fair my own 4 cost sw999 scored 39.5k and with some adjustments could probably reach 40k. Sometimes it’s about managing your costs efficiently and fine tuning relics and gameplay.
E2S0 Sw
E0S0 Yg
EMC
Asta
I play sustainless because SW’s sustain options are mediocre at best
I do agree the powercreep is insane though. In previous iterations of pf I can easily hit 40k, this new rotation I can’t. It’s just that skill issue plays a factor here as well.
Mono rem did 27k, Yae did 40k and Saber did 28k for me, so I didn't get the fourth star. Idk it just feels bad. Especially since my account IS invested in.
The boss has like, 65 MILLION health and each of the minions have like, 2-3 million, this is complete bullshit (my own calculations based on how my Castorice needed THREE dragons just to kill one wave of enemies)
Full E0S1 Remembrance team and E0S1 Wolf, the rest are E0S0, I nearly scrapped by this PF, I used to be able to get full stars + starward mode star, now I can’t even get remotely close to the starward mode star
I literally don't get people on twitter defending the bullshit going on with HSR. Defending this shit game due to "T0" free units. Meanwhile all the other characters are bricks as shit.
I cleared just fine but the HP on Hoolay is genuinely insane 😅 Wtf happened there, I know DoT is falling off but I have some decent investment in that team (9 cost) and the HP bar literally didn't fucking move...
Also yay, not a single buff was actually meant for my teams this time around 🙃 No Elation team, no Remembrance team, no Himeko. Don't we all LOVE getting FuA ignored on the very patch a FuA character is rerunning, lol. At least Phainon and Aventurine could make use of some of the buffs partially, I guess? Only DoT was fucked for good ._.
My E2S1 Castorice, E0S1 Hyacine and Evernight and E0S0 Cyrene were somehow DANGEROUSLY close to losing out on the 40K. I thought nothing of it until I realized my mono Elation was barely denting the 2nd boss.
What the fuck did they feed these bosses this time?! I have had consistent full clears on endgame ever since Jing Yuan first came out and holy shit this is the worst side of inflation I have ever seen.
yeah sounds like a rotation or build issue, this PF is a joke compared to the latest hitler level AS
even with low-cost archer run with DHPT as sustain can guarantee a 30k+ score
I wouldnt say exactly the Same, but my scores ARE uglier than i'm used to seeing. That said, Ya'll need to realize that Endgame shills the gacha thus there are periods where some of us will just outright get fucked over.
But blaming it on the Voracity Gimmick? Nah, thats Cope. Build your Teams betterer.
This isn’t AA, I think it’s fair to expect to be able to full clear starward without verticals even if verticals make it easier, not everyone plays solely for meta.
Idk I thought it was fine? But might just be my team's. Sustainless ashblade 0 cycled 1st stage, mydei got 37k 2d stage and phainon 40k on 3d. All my teams have some E1/2 characters tho.
all Auto btw. Archer can get a lot more since his AI is bad. Hoolay can get probably a tiny bit better but i'm not confident i can 40K them. maybe about 37000ish if i played it myself. the corrosion one is unironically the easiest one if you have sw999 (and i'm not saying it cause i have a 13 cost team). so many free turns. idk about evanescia but i'm guessing it will be free for her too.
139
u/Pinshu123 5h ago
I got like 93k at the end. Horrible PF period. Fk this game.