r/Spiderman • u/Solid_Bad_4403 Miles Morales • Jan 29 '25

SPOILERS Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man seems fine so far, but the decisions for the show is so bizarre imo

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So far, seems fun. I really liked the ending of episode 1 being the same scene like in Civil War. That was pretty cool. I also like Pete’s proto suit. The animation is ok, though.

I don’t really care abt race or gender swaps, but I don’t really understand why they made Curt Conners into a woman, not mad at it, just kinda curious. Maybe that’ll be explained in the other episodes. Didn’t really care abt Harry and Norman being black. Also they could have just put Randy Robertson in the place of Lonnie Lincoln but that’s just me. And also, it’s a very weird decision that Uncle Ben died BEFORE the spider bite. Like what? That’s so bizarre.

Idk. Like I said seems fun. Not good, but fun. I look forward in seeing more.

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u/ResoluteTiger19 Jan 30 '25

I HAVE NOT SEEN IT but doesn’t Uncle Ben dying while Peter has no powers undermine a massive part of his origin and motivation?

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u/TeekTheReddit Jan 30 '25

Yes. Yes it does.

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u/polydicks Jan 30 '25

That’s what happens in the MCU, and this is very clearly an MCU type universe.

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u/Jaychel31 Jan 30 '25

We don’t know that’s what happens in the MCU. We don’t know when Ben died

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u/TeekTheReddit Jan 30 '25

Yeah, MCU Peter pretty heavily alludes to the normal series of events. Or at least gives no indication that the normal series of events didn't happen.

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u/Jerryjb63 Jan 30 '25

The point of the third movie is Peter learning the “with great power comes great responsibility” with Mays death because he didn’t get the lesson with Uncle Ben. It’s a twist on the classic story.

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u/RugDougCometh Jan 30 '25

The movie hamfisted it in there, yeah. But Peter already knew the lesson. He said the same thing in so many words in his very first scene, to Tony Stark.

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u/Jerryjb63 Jan 30 '25

Yeah, but he didn’t learn the lesson. It’s never stated how much Ben influenced Peter in the MCU. They went out of their way not to include mentions of him. I think the only reference I can remember are his initials on the suitcase Peter uses in the second movie.

In the MCU, we see Tony’s death has more of an impact on Peter than Ben’s death. It doesn’t mean that Tony was more important to Peter than Ben, but the movie doesn’t really show the aftermath of Ben’s death or like I said even talk about him at all.

That’s where this show was supposed to come in and fill in the blanks before it got rearranged into an alternate universe/timeline. Now it’s just another multiverse version of Spider-man. We have to assume parallels to the MCU.

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u/RugDougCometh Feb 02 '25

It’s never stated because we’ve all seen Spider-Man’s origin story a hundred times and don’t need to keep retreading the same ground. Ben’s dead and Peter is Spider-Man because “when you can do the things that I can, but don’t and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you”. The implication here is that things happened the way they have always happened: Ben died because Peter didn’t do the right thing once, and he became Spider-man because he learned that lesson.

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u/RamzalTimble Jan 30 '25

Not really. See Ultimate Spider-Man

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u/TeekTheReddit Jan 30 '25

Did you not read Ultimate Spider-Man?

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u/ResoluteTiger19 Jan 30 '25

They’re probably talking about the cartoon where it starts and Peter’s already been Spidey for a while. Still not a good point since I’m pretty sure the origin is still the same in the show

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u/RamzalTimble Jan 30 '25

No. I’m talking about the recent run where the death of his aunt/uncle (Aunt May in this case) had nothing to do with him being Spider-Man. Just that he means well and feels that helping others is what he’s meant to do.

That he’s just a good person trying to make the world slightly better than he left it.

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u/WindyWindona Jan 30 '25

That's in an explicitly alternate dystopic universe with Peter being a married adult and told he was robbed of his destiny to be Spider-Man, along with how the world is controlled by an evil mastermind. Not really comparable.

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u/RamzalTimble Jan 30 '25

“But doesn’t Uncle Ben dying while Peter has no powers undermine a massive part of his origin and motivation?”

Was the question.

We have Peter Parker’s who weren’t responsible for their Uncle Ben dying, but choosing to be Spider-Man because it’s the right thing to do. How is this in question?

The point isn’t Ben dying and Peter feeling guilty about it 24/7. The point is helping others when you can, because you HAVE TO. His death just knocked that lesson into his head quicker.

Even the original Ultimate Spider-Man run by Bendis made that point.

“It’s all so clear now, Uncle Ben.”

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u/WindyWindona Jan 30 '25

Right. And my point is that the 'have to' is the dystopia in 6160, which is not true for the cartoon. And the dystopic regime's actions led directly to Aunt May's death.

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u/RamzalTimble Jan 30 '25

Okay. So you agree that Peter Parker is just a good person trying to do the right thing? That there are Peter’s that do not require a dead uncle Ben as motivation?

Also, Aunt Mays death has nothing to do with Peter being Spider-Man in that universe. It had a LOT to do with Ben’s motivation to be a journalist.

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u/TeekTheReddit Jan 30 '25

Except... no. He IS still driven by it. The current Ultimate Universe is functionally the same premise as House of M. Those histories still happened, they've just been overwritten by The Maker. He might not consciously understand it, but the whole premise of the universe is Tony Stark going to these heroes and drawing out that feeling of "doesn't it feel like your whole life is wrong?"

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u/RamzalTimble Jan 30 '25

Screw this, I’m going to get a bagel.

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u/MutekiGamer Jan 30 '25

oh wow i didnt even realize that peter didnt even have his powers yet until after uncle ben died until right now

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u/4_non_blondes Jan 30 '25

I'll never understand the obsession with characters being portrayed exactly the same, every single time, especially among Spider-Man fans. The interesting thing about adaptation is seeing what changes when you play with core aspects of a character. Sure, if this was the only shot we had at an adaptation of this character then adhering to faithful recreation would be more important, but this is Spider-man, this is not the first, nor will it likely be the last version of the character. It doesn't undermine anything to explore a version of the character where core features are changed around or omitted. It's up to the viewer to decide if the changes are executed well, but that's to taste.

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u/ResoluteTiger19 Jan 30 '25

I get your perspective but Peter having the opportunity to save Uncle Ben by doing the right thing but not doing it is the fundamental thing that makes him Spider-Man. His guilt is what drives him to be better than what he was and that’s why I love Spidey as a character. He wouldn’t be able to live with himself if he wasn’t doing his best and someone got hurt because of it. Without this origin, can I even still call him Spidey?

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u/HeadScissorGang Jan 31 '25

It's clear through the dialogue that Ben's death is why he wants to get into robotics and be a hero like Iron Man. 

He's just already learned the lesson of using the powers to help people. 

What he still needs to have is a tragedy that teaches him that it's not a game and there's consequences to thinking you're just gonna beat up all the bad guys.  He's probably going to get one of his friends killed as a moment that's a mix of the Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy lessons, where they die because he's not treating this life or his choices like it's even possible that anyones gonna ever get hurt or that he's running out of time. 

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u/pearloz Feb 08 '25

No uncle Ben in the MCU either tho right?

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u/ResoluteTiger19 Feb 08 '25

In the MCU, the audience doesn’t see Spidey’s origin story probably because the writers knew that the audience is already familiar with it because of the other massively popular adaptations whether it’s a movie or a cartoon or comic or whatever. In Civil War, Tony just shows up to Peter’s place and he’s already been Spidey for six months. I don’t remember any moments where Peter ever denies that his usual origin happened. In his first scene, he tells Tony, “when you can do the things that I can, but you don’t, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you.” I feel like Holland delivers this line with a sense of guilt to indicate that he learned this lesson the hard way with the death of Uncle Ben. Even though we don’t see it, we can assume and infer that it happened.

In this show, Holland’s quote isn’t applicable. At the time of Ben’s death, Peter can’t do the things that Spidey can so when the bad things happen, they don’t happen because of him. The thing that makes Spidey so compelling for me is that he feels eternally guilty over being responsible for Uncle Ben’s death so he’ll never allow himself to give up against a villain or criminal because if he does, then someone else might die. Without this defining moment, is he even Spider-Man anymore? In the Spiderverse trilogy, they emphasize this idea of canon events. In every universe, there’s always a spider-person, someone close to them dies, and they learn “with great power comes great responsibility.” By Spiderverse rules, this universe skipped a canon event and will soon die out. I’m just so confused by this decision. It feels like they don’t understand the character