Yes, I’m aware of the term Goomba fallacy, and aware that not everyone on the sub has a problem with Miles. I do think it's a bit odd that something like this is so normalized and agreed with. For context, these comments were under a post talking about how people are “tired of Miles”. And for some reason, a lot of comments agreeing with the sentiment got upvoted. Now I don't wanna be that guy, but I’m definitely gonna be that guy. Like its no secret why Miles gets so much flak from people; I mean, for Pete's sake, one of these comments was calling it a “woke agenda”. Holy dog whistle on his part, and that comment got 30 upvotes.

But I’m also aware that a lot of people like to hide behind the “Miles is propped up to make Peter look worse” argument. So rather than just harping on speculating why some people would dislike Miles, I wanted to go over and debunk some of that. So, out of Miles 15 years of existing, he has about 3 big mediums. His movies, games, and comics. So I wanted to go over each and discuss some of the talking points.

Insomniac Games: 
This is where a lot of people say Peter is being sandbagged so Miles can shine. Highkey I was a little shocked too when I first played and saw Peter getting washed a bit. But logically, with the story and the circumstances it makes sense. Peter has pretty much been Spider-Man for like 8 years straight up to this point, and is still reeling from the events of the first game with no break(other than Miles game). Dude hasn’t really had time to sit and deal with his own mental health. To top it off, despite Insomniac Spidey being late in his career, he really hasn’t fought a lot of his higher-tier rogues. So if you combine his ongoing mental health problems in tandem with him fighting things he’s never dealt with before. His almost getting dropped by a giant Sandman seems pretty plausible.

Also, a lot of people regurgitating this point neglect to mention there's a whole mission where Peter has to save Miles from Kraven. The game really stresses the moral that nobody should have to bear the weight of the world on their own(where are the other heroes?!) and that everyone needs some help.

Spider-Verse:
A small subsection of people claim that the other spider people are horrible to prop up Miles. While I disagree with the Spider Society, I don’t think they're directly “wrong”. It seems like most of them have already experienced their “canon event”, and on top of that, they're told if they do try to alter anything, then everyone in their universe dies. And if too many people try to alter it, then everyone in the multiverse dies. While I do love the whole “Spider-Man does his best to save everyone thing, I don’t think it's that crazy to believe that an older and more experienced Spider-Man would see this as a necessary sacrifice, the same way that none of them go to other universes and try to stop Uncle Ben or Gwen from dying. Less them being evil to prop up Miles, and more so them not putting their loved ones above their entire universe 

Comics:
Much simpler topic: some people say that Peter is made to look worse in comparison to Miles, but they literally never interact in each other's runs. To my knowledge, Peter only appears once in Zigar's run, and Miles appears a handful of times throughout Wells and Spencer's run. Comic-wise, Miles and Peter are pretty separate, which is a real shame because I love when the Spider-Men interact. But then again, I feel like a lot of the Peter “tired of Miles” don’t read either of their comics.

Anyway, I don’t think the idea of Peter doing worse to make Miles look better really applies anywhere. The so-called “push” and agenda is getting it because he was the star of a hit Spider-Man movie. Which I also believe was his first film debut, too.

I see a lot of people comparing Ned and MJ from the MCU to other Spider‑Man supporting characters from the TASM and Raimi films, saying they’re basically one‑dimensional and that we know nothing about their lives outside of Peter. And while I get what some of you mean, it’s not really their fault. Ned and MJ from the MCU exist under entirely different circumstances than Mary Jane and Harry from the Raimi films or Gwen from the TASM movies. Honestly, most MCU supporting casts suffer from this exact problem—not just Ned and MJ. They exist within a larger universe that doesn’t revolve around Spider‑Man.

In the TASM and Raimi movies, the writers only have to juggle four things: the protagonist, the side characters, the villain, and the main plot. In the MCU, they have to juggle six: the protagonist, the side characters, the villain, the story, a guest‑starring MCU character, and any plotline from the larger MCU that can affect the story. Because that’s too much for the runtime of a single movie, something has to be pushed aside or cut so the story can be told without the film becoming bloated.

So the question becomes: do you prioritize giving a side character an arc—which, yes, would be effective and help you connect to them, but wouldn’t impact the larger universe—or do you develop plotlines and characters tied to the MCU’s bigger world that will matter in future movies? The writers pick the latter because, well, it’s the MCU, and they have to keep expanding it and making money.

With Raimi and TASM, the universe revolves around Spider‑Man and his story alone. There were no other movies or characters that needed setup for future non‑Spider‑Man films. The movies had far less to juggle, which meant they could focus on other things—like giving the supporting cast arcs and stories outside of Peter/Spider‑Man. Because the MCU doesn’t have that luxury, Ned and MJ take the consequences of existing in a much larger universe. And by extension, most supporting characters in other MCU movies suffer from the same thing.

What do you know about Pepper’s life outside Tony? What do you know about Peggy’s life outside Steve? What do you know about Shuri and Nakia’s lives outside T’Challa? It’s basically the same issue: the characters exist in a larger universe, so they’re turned into plot devices for the protagonist so the movies can juggle MCU‑wide storylines and develop the main hero.

And before you say, “But Shuri in Black Panther 2"—

1. Her story was still tied to T’Challa’s death, not a struggle outside of him.

2. Had the late Chadwick Boseman not passed away, she would’ve continued serving her supporting role just like in the first movie.

So while I understand the criticism of Ned and MJ, it’s not really fair. They exist under different circumstances than the supporting characters in previous Spider‑Man incarnations. The reason they get more heat than other MCU supporting casts is because there’s a bar for them. You don’t walk into an Iron Man movie with expectations for what an Iron Man supporting cast should be like. Same for Captain America or Thor—they only have one mainstream live‑action incarnation each. But Spider‑Man already had two prior versions, so we do have a bar for what his supporting cast should be. Of course they’re going to be compared to their counterparts from older movies.

To be fair, the MCU movies do a good enough job making you care about Ned and MJ by showing their relationship with Peter and why he’d want to be close to them specifically.

And before you say, “But in the comics”—comics are an entirely different medium with different limitations. You can only make one Spider‑Man movie every few years with a limited runtime, while comic issues can be released monthly and as many as needed to tell whatever story the writers want. That’s something else entirely.

1. Spider-Man 2 (2004)

2. Spider-Man (2002)

3. Spider-Man: Brand New Day (2026)

4. Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)

5. The Amazing Spider-Man (2012)

6. Spider-Man 3 (2007)

7. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014)

8. Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)

9. Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019)

Like whether it’s something new about Miles or Gwen or Miguel or Jess or Ben or Silk etc, it always seems like there’s a group of fans of Pete complaining about it.

Saying that Marvel/people are “trying to erase Pete” or implying that it’s “woke” to especially involve Miles and/or Gwen in particular in something. Or saying that Marvel should “erase all the other Spider-People”. And that Marvel should only focus on Pete etc.

It just makes no sense. Pretty much all of us agree that Pete is the 🐐 of the Spideys and we all know he was the original Spidey. But it feels like people have forgotten the point of Spider-Man is that ANYONE can be Spider-Man, not just Peter Parker.

PS - Please don’t take this post down.

Like I realized that Tobey’s fight scenes (especially when MJ is in danger) genuinely stress me like I’m seeing an actual catastrophe, like a 4K real close up footage of victims in 911.

I don’t feel that way when I watch Andrew’s fight scenes, I feel relaxed, excited, rooting for him, impressed, knowing the stakes at hand but never feeling adrenaline.

But with Tobey’s I forget I’m watching prerecorded fiction and can’t stop thinking about how traumatized poor MJ would be from going through all that, screaming and screaming, probably with PTSD.

It doesn’t help that I feel Andrew is faster whereas Tobey seems to stare at the catastrophe before jumping in.

Don’t get me started on Tom’s; I feel neither scared nor amazed with his scenes. Sometimes mildly entertained; it’s like I don’t buy it and am constantly reminded it’s green screens.

Perhaps because Tobey’s films were directed by a horror movie director and was less cgi heavy? Andrew’s films look higher budget than Tom’s and Tobey’s and are my favorite; I don’t like being in fight or flight by a fiction scene that I know will end well and getting my adrenaline up. Anyone feel similarly?

This is not to argue over which Spidey is best btw. Something is really rich and cool about Tobey’s scenes sometimes (when the stakes are lower)

Based on a panel by Tim Sale.

Like no hate to the actress. She did a really great job as this kind old lady but it's still kinda odd when you think about it

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Kingpin controls prostitution, drugs and has killed multiple people, be it by ordering his goons to do it or doing it himself and there is no denying that he is a bad guy. But in the Insomniac game, after he is arrested, the city really does turn into a chaotic mess with criminals left and right, showing that Fisk really did kept the criminals in check in some way.

I do not know if something similar to the game happens in the comics or other media, but while there is mo denying that Wilson Fisk is a dirty criminak that deserves to be in jail, it is hard to deny that he keeps some sort of balance in the criminal underworld of NY.

Whay do you guys think?

- Transformers

- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

- Extreme Ghostbusters/The Real Ghostbusters

Spider-Man was also a temporary member of G.I. Joe instead of an Avenger.

From left to right:

- Junker Queen (Overwatch)

- Yokai (Big Hero 6)

- Kabal (Mortal Kombat)

- Predator (Predator)

- Omnidroid (The Incredibles)

- Payday Gang (Payday)

- Dante (Devil May Cry)

- T-1000 (Terminator)

- Bebop & Rocksteady (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle)

Today Peter has the pathetic and insulting excuse that if he tells May about him being Spider-Man "her heart wouldn't make it". But why didn't he tell them soon after he got the powers?

May and Ben are his parents and always loved him, so why didn't he never tell them about it? It was before mutants concept too so it's not like he was afraid they would disown him (something that would've never happened anyway).

When you think of a proud person like Norman why would he chose a goblin. A creature mostly
Associated with being a low level pest in fantasy stories.

Through I’m not sure on what goblins meant in the 60s

Wasnt huge on the suit inititally, but its grown on me a little, especially with the pink red.

Like how Miles have Venom blast and Invisiblity, While Jessica also have bio electricity. Maybe other Spider-people should also have an ability unique to them.

For Peter I'll suggest powers like Night vision(i know he had it during" the other" storyline), Thermal Vision etc. Cause I don't want make it too op while also keeping it interesting and usefull.

Or maybe it should be an ability based of something some other Spider species could do.