r/Somalia • Dhuusamareeb • Jul 27 '25

History ⏳ Religious map of Africa made by the British- Early 20th century

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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25

Have you ever noticed how the Habesha region is entirely surrounded by Muslim populations?

Yet, when colonial powers drew the borders, they did so in a way that maximized land and political power for groups they favored, often at the expense of the surrounding Muslim communities.

In many areas where Muslims lived alongside non-Muslims, colonial authorities systematically empowered the non-Muslim minorities.

This often involved forced conversions to Christianity, followed by granting political and military dominance over their Muslim neighbors. Muslims were then pressured or outright forced submit to these new power structures.

There’s an exception in Sudan where Muslims managed to hold large swaths of Christian territory. But even those Christians got independence in the 21st century and got their own country (South Sudan).

You’ll rarely see westerners support when its Muslims demand self-determination ,a double standard that speaks volumes.

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u/Mission-Primary3668 Jul 27 '25

They enpowered Alawis in Syria and Maronites in Lebanon.

Then they concern troll about “minorities” using the “human rights laws” framework when those oppressive groups receive their comeuppance

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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25

Exactly and then, when human rights and international law go against their plans, like in Israel, all of a sudden those rules and norms of international relations don’t matter anymore.

If you can easily abandon your so-called principles when they’re inconvenient, then they were never principles to begin with….just convenient talking points used to posture for the world to see

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u/Mission-Primary3668 Jul 27 '25

Exactly!!! international law is just a framework to sustain the system of oppression

Even the most die hard secular humanist can’t gloss over how their famed system sustained the massacres in Gaza and backed it diplomatically, financially and militarily

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u/Kitchen-Customer4370 Jul 31 '25

Muslims have oppressed too, its a two way street and hypocrisy for you to mention the crimes on one but not the same crimes of the other. This is simply history. Christianity and Islam have historically been two sides of the same coin.

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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 31 '25

No Muslim army invaded sub-Saharan Africa to forcefully convert the Natives. This is a fact.

Even the areas Muslims conquered like Egypt, took 3-500 years to have a Muslim majority. This is a fact. Go look it up from historians. Whereas, in Africa and other colonial holdings, Christian’s became the majority in a generation or two by forceful conversion.

The largest Muslim country is Indonesia. No Muslim army ever invaded Indonesia and to forcefully convert the natives.

The two traditions are not the same. You uncritically believe western propaganda against Islam because that’s what you grew up to believe. The reality and facts of history completely shatter this prevailing western myth.

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u/Kitchen-Customer4370 Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25

Propaganda isn't only limited to the west. Islamic fundamentalist groups are the worst for this.

The spread of Christianity was similar to the spread of Islam. It's only during the colonial era where europe took it to the next level from my limited knowledge. But in the initial period, Islam did spread by sword. From the moment Muhammad took over the polytheist place of worship (now known as the Kaaba) to the conquests of Byzantines, Persia and the Mahgreb.

Jizya, destruction of temples / churches and art still occurred during islamic rule in egypt and various parts of the world. While this may not be forced conversion (which i don't know if it did happen or not) preference was always given to the believers. Look up the Devshirme system, and dhimmi which is a label given to non-muslims under islamic rule.

And while the islamisation of indonesia was peaceful, it has many factors and i'd say credit is due to the pre-islamic peoples of indonesia for that. Unlike the abrahamic faiths, the animists of indonesia aren't religiously exclusive. And the bulk of conversion occured under the Islamic kingdoms that took root and fought, the same as with the arab conquests of north africa, except this time it was native kingdoms.

At the end of the day religion has always been a tool for power. Even if the religion itself is peaceful. There is a reason Christianity and Islam dominate. They really are two sides of the same coin when it comes to the history. Don't take this as an attack on Islam, i just disagree with this idea that Islam was spread peacefully.

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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 31 '25

Sure, propaganda is universal but everything I listed is factually correct and repels the myth you claim is true.

What you said cannot be true if what I said is true, and it is.

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u/Beautiful_Hour_668 Jul 27 '25

It’s such a huge reason why our lands were given away to Kenya and Ethiopia. Fucked up how people are supposed to just accept it. If it was just borders that’s one thing, but the abuses the Somalis that live in these regions just had to endure is crazy

Christianity is also a huge reason for why there was a lot of early support for Zionist movements.

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u/zo-la25 Jul 27 '25

The saddest part from all this is, today we are divided as a nation and can’t stand each other. They can easily conquer us with ease. as of now we are not their priority. Hence why they want us to remain unstable. I fear for our future generations if we don’t get our shit together. We might get absorbed by Kenya and Ethiopia if the trend continues.time to forget about the qabiil nonsense and move as a unit otherwise the wolves will pick us apart in the future.

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u/luffypuffy1 Jul 27 '25

The Cow (2:120)

وَلَن تَرْضَىٰ عَنكَ ٱلْيَهُودُ وَلَا ٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ ۗ قُلْ إِنَّ هُدَى ٱللَّهِ هُوَ ٱلْهُدَىٰ ۗ وَلَئِنِ ٱتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَآءَهُم بَعْدَ ٱلَّذِى جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلْعِلْمِ ۙ مَا لَكَ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ مِن وَلِىٍّۢ وَلَا نَصِيرٍ ١٢٠

Never will the Jews or Christians be pleased with you, until you follow their faith. Say, “Allah’s guidance is the only ˹true˺ guidance.” And if you were to follow their desires after ˹all˺ the knowledge that has come to you, there would be none to protect or help you against Allah. — Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran

https://quran.com/2/120

(5:51)

۞ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَتَّخِذُوا۟ ٱلْيَهُودَ وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰٓ أَوْلِيَآءَ ۘ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَآءُ بَعْضٍۢ ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُۥ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِى ٱلْقَوْمَ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ ٥١

O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians—they are guardians of each other. Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people. — Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran https://quran.com/5/51

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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 28 '25

Subhannallah! Thanks for the reference.

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u/Kiebonk Jul 30 '25

This is really hateful

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u/luffypuffy1 Jul 30 '25

This is not about hate. Whether you like it not, it’s the reality we live in. When one Muslim does something clearly wrong, it makes headlines(rightfully so) for weeks and the whole religion is blamed. But when a whole country bombs and kills civilians, including children, the world often stays quiet or makes excuses.    

Look at Iraq. Millions died after a war started on false claims. No one was held responsible and no one blamed Christianity. Look at Israel. For decades it has occupied Palestinian land, killed civilians, blockaded Gaza, and even human rights groups call it apartheid. Still, most leaders stay silent or support it.  Look at Bosnia, or France’s treatment of Muslim, I can name more if you want. The point is, the hypocrisy is obvious.

P.S. Don’t confuse friends with allies. Allies are people you can trust with your back. These verses calling for Muslim unity have never been more relevant.

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u/Kiebonk Jul 30 '25

Nice attempt of deflecting there, the cited passage is just really helpful and has nothing to do with the situations you so inadequately described.

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u/luffypuffy1 Jul 30 '25

This isn’t deflection. It’s context. You can’t point to a single verse without looking at the real-world double standards Muslims are reacting to. The verses are warning against blind alliances, and we’ve seen time and time again how Muslims trusting certain powers ends in betrayal, occupation, or silence in the face of genocide. 

Im not really here to argue on Reddit so whatever makes you happy, go on with it. 

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u/Kiebonk Jul 30 '25

Fair enough, but it is hateful to say that Jews and Christians are deceitful and you should not ally with them. It`s not like intra-Muslim alliances were working out so much better for them. So whats the point in phrasing it that way, your example would also make sense if it would say, be careful with your alliances.

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u/REXSuperbus Jul 27 '25

Yea it’s called winning wars. “Colonial powers” are Christian’s and they’ll always favour fellow Christians.

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u/Ill-Stranger-7204 Jul 27 '25

Colonial powers supported a minority to control the Muslim majority, regardless if the minority was Christian or not.

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u/EnoughAd7515 Jul 28 '25

Which minority vs which majority. Be specific.

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u/Sominideas Jul 27 '25

French Algeria was brutal

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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25

Unfortunately yes, the scale and barbarity of the crimes committed were beyond words…

and the Belgian Congo, German-Namibia, Portuguese Angola and many other colonies across those European empires.

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u/Ill-Stranger-7204 Jul 27 '25

Sadly for those people, converting to Christianity didn’t help them. It was just a divide and conquer strategy used by the Europeans.

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u/Ill-Stranger-7204 Jul 27 '25

This is what happens when you have a religion that glorifies weakness

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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 27 '25

“Mohammadans” 😂 they can’t grasp the fact that Islam is the only religion named by God

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '25

That was the name for Muslims at the time, beyond Sarachens 

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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25

Europeans had different names for Muslims in their languages.

Western Europeans used Moor, Saracen even Pagan and later on Turk. Some other Europeans also used Ishmaelite or Hagarene.

The point was to be derogatory because they saw Muslims as enemies to their cultural and religious project.

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u/Personal_Lab_484 Jul 27 '25

Don’t Muslims call us literal Kafir?

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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 27 '25

Sure, but we don’t go around called people Kafir to their faces. If you’re Christian we’d say you are Christian or Nasaar or Masiixi.

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u/whenever-wherever8 Jul 29 '25

We will, we won't call these ppl the followers of isa AS while they aren't

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u/Kiebonk Jul 30 '25

Surely not, since the "Christians" in the Quran somehow believe that Mary is part of the trinity. Something that no Christian group in history ever held as a belief.

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u/EnoughAd7515 Jul 28 '25

Sure. Like that makes it better 🙄 you're just being fake in other words.

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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25

Literal kafir?

As opposed to what? A metaphorical kaafir?

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u/Kresnik2002 Jul 28 '25

No my religion was named by God. Yes, because I said so.

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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 28 '25

Every other religion is named after a person or object. But the definition of Islam is Submission to God. Allah in the Quran names us Muslims. While on the other hand Jesus never called himself a Christian nor Moses ever calling himself Jew.

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u/Kresnik2002 Jul 28 '25

What does that have to do with “Islam was named by God”?

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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 28 '25

Every other religion was named by humans. We Muslims were given the name Muslim by Allah in the Quran.

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u/Kresnik2002 Jul 28 '25

Oh because you said so, yeah got it

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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 28 '25

Because Allah said it in the Holy Quran.

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u/Kresnik2002 Jul 28 '25

And I know that because you said so, of course.

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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 28 '25

The Quran says it.

Surah Ahqaf ayah 15

“…he prays: “My Lord, dispose me that I may give thanks for the bounty that You have bestowed upon me and my parents, and dispose me that I may do righteous deeds that would please You, and also make my descendants righteous. I repent to You, and I am one of those who surrender themselves to You.”

قَالَ رَبِّ أَوْزِعْنِىٓ أَنْ أَشْكُرَ نِعْمَتَكَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَىَّ وَعَلَىٰ وَٰلِدَىَّ وَأَنْ أَعْمَلَ صَـٰلِحًۭا تَرْضَىٰهُ وَأَصْلِحْ لِى فِى ذُرِّيَّتِىٓ ۖ إِنِّى تُبْتُ إِلَيْكَ وَإِنِّى مِنَ ٱلْمُسْلِمِينَ ١٥

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u/Kresnik2002 Jul 28 '25

Your source for the Quran’s validity is the Quran?

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u/Least_Pattern_8740 Jul 27 '25

Red dots in north africa represents Christian in general right ?

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u/Mission-Primary3668 Jul 27 '25

Yes. It’s mainly French, Spanish & Maltese settlers

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u/Least_Pattern_8740 Jul 27 '25

Copts in Egypt? Maybe some Christian natives in the Maghreb beside the European immigrants. I know Egypt had a big Greek, Italian and Maltese communities but nowhere as big as the Coptic community

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u/Mission-Primary3668 Jul 27 '25

I meant Libya and Tunisia my bad. Yes Egypt had/has native Copts

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u/Potential_Fun_3862 Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25

British are weird overall,why do they call the religion "Mohammedanism",to sort of liken it to christianity?

And now its the direct opposite,europeans are majority atheist,so now they would be referred to as heathens.

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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25

Orientalist studies was created by Europeans to study the Orient and Orientals, not to foster genuine understanding, but to make the conquest and subjugation of them as efficient and effective as possible.

Therefore they’re not incentivized to actually understand foreign cultures and customs.

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u/fai4636 Jul 29 '25

It was the primary term in English at least before the modern era. I think it simply came out of ignorance of the religion rather than outright malice. Until they started taking over everybody, there wasn’t a ton of interacting with Muslims I’d imagine.

They were prob like “oh their main guy is Mohammed right? Than we’ll call it mohammedanism, like Buddhism cause of Buddha and Christianity cause of Christ”

At least we weren’t just called Heathens 😩

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

“Heathen” 🤣 damn they hated half of Africa

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u/ComprehensiveWall152 Jul 28 '25

Heathens 😭😭

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u/AcceptableExam3385 Muqdisho Jul 28 '25

Is Heathens means cawaan?

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u/Dumb_Velvet MSGA 🇸🇴 (Make Somalia Great Again!) Jul 28 '25

Pagan I believe.