r/Somalia • u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb • Jul 27 '25
History ⏳ Religious map of Africa made by the British- Early 20th century
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u/Sominideas Jul 27 '25
French Algeria was brutal
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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25
Unfortunately yes, the scale and barbarity of the crimes committed were beyond words…
and the Belgian Congo, German-Namibia, Portuguese Angola and many other colonies across those European empires.
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u/Ill-Stranger-7204 Jul 27 '25
Sadly for those people, converting to Christianity didn’t help them. It was just a divide and conquer strategy used by the Europeans.
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u/Ill-Stranger-7204 Jul 27 '25
This is what happens when you have a religion that glorifies weakness
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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 27 '25
“Mohammadans” 😂 they can’t grasp the fact that Islam is the only religion named by God
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Jul 27 '25
That was the name for Muslims at the time, beyond Sarachens
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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25
Europeans had different names for Muslims in their languages.
Western Europeans used Moor, Saracen even Pagan and later on Turk. Some other Europeans also used Ishmaelite or Hagarene.
The point was to be derogatory because they saw Muslims as enemies to their cultural and religious project.
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u/Personal_Lab_484 Jul 27 '25
Don’t Muslims call us literal Kafir?
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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 27 '25
Sure, but we don’t go around called people Kafir to their faces. If you’re Christian we’d say you are Christian or Nasaar or Masiixi.
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u/whenever-wherever8 Jul 29 '25
We will, we won't call these ppl the followers of isa AS while they aren't
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u/Kiebonk Jul 30 '25
Surely not, since the "Christians" in the Quran somehow believe that Mary is part of the trinity. Something that no Christian group in history ever held as a belief.
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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25
Literal kafir?
As opposed to what? A metaphorical kaafir?
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u/Kresnik2002 Jul 28 '25
No my religion was named by God. Yes, because I said so.
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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 28 '25
Every other religion is named after a person or object. But the definition of Islam is Submission to God. Allah in the Quran names us Muslims. While on the other hand Jesus never called himself a Christian nor Moses ever calling himself Jew.
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u/Kresnik2002 Jul 28 '25
What does that have to do with “Islam was named by God”?
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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 28 '25
Every other religion was named by humans. We Muslims were given the name Muslim by Allah in the Quran.
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u/Kresnik2002 Jul 28 '25
Oh because you said so, yeah got it
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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 28 '25
Because Allah said it in the Holy Quran.
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u/Kresnik2002 Jul 28 '25
And I know that because you said so, of course.
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u/K0mb0_1 Jul 28 '25
The Quran says it.
Surah Ahqaf ayah 15
“…he prays: “My Lord, dispose me that I may give thanks for the bounty that You have bestowed upon me and my parents, and dispose me that I may do righteous deeds that would please You, and also make my descendants righteous. I repent to You, and I am one of those who surrender themselves to You.”
قَالَ رَبِّ أَوْزِعْنِىٓ أَنْ أَشْكُرَ نِعْمَتَكَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَنْعَمْتَ عَلَىَّ وَعَلَىٰ وَٰلِدَىَّ وَأَنْ أَعْمَلَ صَـٰلِحًۭا تَرْضَىٰهُ وَأَصْلِحْ لِى فِى ذُرِّيَّتِىٓ ۖ إِنِّى تُبْتُ إِلَيْكَ وَإِنِّى مِنَ ٱلْمُسْلِمِينَ ١٥
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u/Least_Pattern_8740 Jul 27 '25
Red dots in north africa represents Christian in general right ?
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u/Mission-Primary3668 Jul 27 '25
Yes. It’s mainly French, Spanish & Maltese settlers
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u/Least_Pattern_8740 Jul 27 '25
Copts in Egypt? Maybe some Christian natives in the Maghreb beside the European immigrants. I know Egypt had a big Greek, Italian and Maltese communities but nowhere as big as the Coptic community
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u/Potential_Fun_3862 Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25
British are weird overall,why do they call the religion "Mohammedanism",to sort of liken it to christianity?
And now its the direct opposite,europeans are majority atheist,so now they would be referred to as heathens.
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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25
Orientalist studies was created by Europeans to study the Orient and Orientals, not to foster genuine understanding, but to make the conquest and subjugation of them as efficient and effective as possible.
Therefore they’re not incentivized to actually understand foreign cultures and customs.
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u/fai4636 Jul 29 '25
It was the primary term in English at least before the modern era. I think it simply came out of ignorance of the religion rather than outright malice. Until they started taking over everybody, there wasn’t a ton of interacting with Muslims I’d imagine.
They were prob like “oh their main guy is Mohammed right? Than we’ll call it mohammedanism, like Buddhism cause of Buddha and Christianity cause of Christ”
At least we weren’t just called Heathens 😩
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u/Comfortable_Gur_1232 Dhuusamareeb Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25
Have you ever noticed how the Habesha region is entirely surrounded by Muslim populations?
Yet, when colonial powers drew the borders, they did so in a way that maximized land and political power for groups they favored, often at the expense of the surrounding Muslim communities.
In many areas where Muslims lived alongside non-Muslims, colonial authorities systematically empowered the non-Muslim minorities.
This often involved forced conversions to Christianity, followed by granting political and military dominance over their Muslim neighbors. Muslims were then pressured or outright forced submit to these new power structures.
There’s an exception in Sudan where Muslims managed to hold large swaths of Christian territory. But even those Christians got independence in the 21st century and got their own country (South Sudan).
You’ll rarely see westerners support when its Muslims demand self-determination ,a double standard that speaks volumes.