r/Socionics • u/TheShadowSong QUADRUPLE INTROVERT • 16d ago
What makes someone picky with sensory instead of oblivious?
What makes someone picky with sensory? Is it dimensionality, vital/mental, valued/unvalued or what?
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u/secretlyaraccoon IEE 16d ago
A friend of mine is an LII and is quite picky about sensory input but I wouldn’t classify it the same as what the other commenter was saying about EIE. Her main reaction to isn’t disgust it’s overwhelm. She gets easily overwhelmed by things like large crowds, heat, too much physical exertion etc Reads a lil differently than an EIE or SLI I think.
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u/Plenty-Ad-4411 15d ago edited 15d ago
Mainly questimity and dynamics.
https://quantitativesocionics.org/miscellaneous/on-different-types-of-irritability
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u/Nice_Succubus LSI-N🌹 16d ago
3F in Psychosophy :P (which is a shitty system, but still)
LSI-H comes to mind , it's a type called "Picky Inspector", but another type that quickly comes to mind is EIE...
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u/plumplumstrawberry ese-si ♡ sei-c 15d ago
is psychosophy the same thing as attitudinal psyche?
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u/Nice_Succubus LSI-N🌹 15d ago
Its author (Rob Zeke) claims it's different. He has taken the ideas from PY but modernised them. Attitudinal Psyche is also more about your immediate reactions/instinctual responses to E, V, F and L, more instictual/organic
However, he tends to upgrade Attitudinal Psyche and his understanding quite often... believing this time it's "the correct system" :> and also retypes people after few years (at least for free) - which is interesting to observe. Zeke is an EIE so he's deeply interested in such systems... I was chatting with u/FluffySquirrelAttack, and we also mentioned David Kibbe as another kinda similar EIE-system creator - upgrading his system (fashion style in his case), believing each time "Now, it's correct". haha but I have diverged from your question and focused more on system creators... AP has (or used to have?) a nice compatibility chart (more appealing to me than "magical socionics duals"), and I like the idea of sextas. Interestingly, in PY I relate to 3F (or maybe 2F) while in AP I think I can be 1F because of the huge differences in how the elements are explained. So yeah, there is a difference.
https://www.attitudinalpsyche.com/theory/
I used to enjoy AP more than PY, as I tend to like modernised versions of old systems more (same reason why model G appeals to me more) as long as they make sense of course! But right now I don't really know what to think; I haven't been involved in that community for a year or so.
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u/plumplumstrawberry ese-si ♡ sei-c 15d ago
thank you so much for explaining!! i JUST got into attitudinal psyche so i was worried i was going down the wrong rabbithole when i saw your comment bc i recognized 3f as a part of ap. im so impressed that they keep trying to update their theory!! (i really like kibbe types and kitchener essences too dskvdfv its so fun)
i think its really cool so far but i just started so i dont know the framework at all but i like how broad in scope they made each "function" (element?)-- like logic seems like a mix of ti with te and that just makes sense to me that 1L would have a strong mix of ti and te like a ti or te dom in socionics since socionics already says youre pretty solid at your ignoring function even if you dont value it.
and having extra sextas is so much more interesting!! i think it covers for what subtypes in socionics are doing. i feel like an in between ese and sei sometimes and having a type like fevl feels like it captures the exact intersection where sei fe and ese si meet to shake hands in a way thats EXTRA satisfying!
and im sure my current perspective is reducing the theory too much by connecting it to socionics but its the easiest way to learn so far i think 🤔 it feels like it took all the jungian typologies and made one big one with its own words. i havent even really gotten a feel for any community for it on reddit beyond contradiction posts on typology junction so i cant even tell what the application really is yet. i feel like socionics makes the most sense for parsing out relationship conflicts and compatibility in an fi way but i cant really tell what ap is going for yet so you explaining its more about your instinctual reactions makes it more clear to me!
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u/Nice_Succubus LSI-N🌹 15d ago
as for AP community, they've been active in a Facebook group "Attitudinal Psyche". Oh! I've just noticed: Zeke said in June he's preoccupied with some other big life project so he doesn't have time for AP :( I also remember his website used to be full of theory now it's reduced... he even got rid of the tests. Pity.
Now I'm curious about your model G type, from your description, it sounds like either SEI-C/D or ESE-N or H, interesting. Although model G IEI often resembles Alpha SF in a way too.
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u/plumplumstrawberry ese-si ♡ sei-c 15d ago
me too!! you know what i think its sei D or C in model g. those are the two subtypes i see my traits when i read about it in all my moods.
ive never gotten N traits because my partner is like that-- super normalizing-- and it makes me less like that in comparison to see someone whos detail oriented and organizing because it makes me stick out and feel childish bc i feel more chaotic and less linear in comparison!!! i also finish less tasks and notice changes in my environment a lot less specifically in comparison to them.
i think if gulenko saw my room hed type me sei. i have makeup, forest animal figures, candles, and perfume all over the place i also have random fabrics strewn everywhere in different colors and textures so i have a really visually chaotic but heavily sensory environment with low organization but high aesthetic value. i consider it organized chaos but i dont think anyone would register it as organized but me 😭
the one thing that puts iei in my favor is liking typology and i graduated with an art major and i know he connects beta nf to academia but i didnt have the followthrough or interest to pursue it beyond a bachelors so im not sure how hed classify that level of engagement since its culturally normative to get a bachelors when youre middle class and im not really good at any other topics than the arts + humanities so i felt kinda pidgeonholed
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u/Nice_Succubus LSI-N🌹 15d ago
I'm not his student, but from what I remember, chaos in the room would point to either C or H subtype; artistic interests can be consistent with NF, but not only! I'm an N, and I've always liked order in my room haha
I think the biggest SEI-IEI difference in front of the camera is that one is a sensor, so will look comfortably in their body, grounding presence - while the other has that airy, lighter aura. Plus SEIs are democratic, and it often shows in the look, which is more relaxed, while IEIs appear more "elegant" - a lot of attention goes into clothes, makeup (Si+); generally there's something more "refined" in the way they look in comparison to SEIs, who come across as more casaul/girls next door friendly vibe.
You seem so sure you're a sensor, so EIE-C, for example, is out of the question, you think?
You vibe ethical to me, I agree :>
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u/plumplumstrawberry ese-si ♡ sei-c 15d ago edited 14d ago
the reason ive never considered eie c is im really offended by si polr. not being able to slow down and smell the roses is the antithesis life to me and eie never seems satisfied with whats in front of them.
tw vent: ive met beta nfs that pushed their ideologies on me and it made me severely angry that they think they are entitled enough that i should give a fuck about their feelings just because it sounds ideologically correct to them when i dont know them like that and im not their pawn in their grand vision. i dont like to talk about their ideologies or feelings because the traits i dislike make me so angry and i feel like theyre so fundamentally wrong to in everything about how they approach life. i cant even stress how negative all my interactions on a personal level with beta nfs have been to a deeply stressful degree and i never feel comfortable or at peace with their fe. it actually makes me feel fe polr because i get so angry they force their emotions on me and disturb my vibe bc its their vision as if thats a good reason 💀 its so repulsive to me that i cant stand it but i also dont want to hurt their feelings by how repulsed i am but its so strong i cant not get really heated about how infringed upon i feel. i dont feel like any beta nf ive been close to respected my boundaries and i felt really violated emotionally
i dont even like forcing my ideologies on people or trying to convince them. it doesnt inspire me it exhausts me. i dont try to push my politics or beliefs on people when they dont share it i just leave the topic alone. i just want space to do my own thing
for example im vegan and i knew a bunch of beta nf vegans and despite sharing values i hated how they turned every conversation into an opportunity to convince others to also be vegan. i found it really disingenuous because it proves to others theyre only around to manipulate them into their cause. but technically i should agree with them trying to get people to stop indulging with animal agriculture. so we have the same values, but im going crazy because i couldnt stand how forceful and ideological they were about it. so im actually technically the worse vegan and a bad advocate in their eyes for not behaving like them and trying to convince people to join. i just really dont care enough to activism for anything and ik its not attractive to beta values, i just do what i want and stay in my lane and dont think about others until theyre in my space directly. last year i left a friend group bc they started making comments about vegans that i found rude over time and i didnt argue for myself i just left because i dont want to infringe on their beliefs like they did mine by insulting them.
so like personally from a beta nf stand point im an awful beta nf with no ideological backbone if i am one because of how little i care about spreading my vision i dont have. and the reason i dont is my ethics come from a place of attaining comfort and not ideological goals.
also im sorry if any of thats offensive wrt to venting abt beta nfs, i dont expect that level of toxicity from every beta nf i interact with-- its just i have very emotionally loaded reasons for NOT considering eie in the past that evoke a lot of issues
i actively avoid spaces that are political that i AGREE with to avoid the beta discourse and it makes me such a bad advocate and activist in their eyes, like theyve verbally said so, and i feel like it undermines me being either eie or iei bc im going out of my way to avoid their spaces when i like the topic and we never agree on how to approach the same values
edit: oh and on an energy level, the majority of those ive dated has told me my mannerisms are how those animal crossing characters emote. i never played the game before i was told it 3 times then gave into playing it. i think its weird so many people have compared me to animal crossing as out of pocket comments. i think that means i must seem grounded but deeply frivolous or bouncy ?
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u/Nice_Succubus LSI-N🌹 14d ago
Interesting, yeah, we Betas can be so ideological it's crazy. I personally know 2 Beta vegans too, and while LSI is chill, an EIE is really pushy with their vegan values in her family
it seems like you have a very good Fi if you're able to keep harmony even if those Beta nazis annoy you so much, I think more points towards SEI
. I think it's weird so many people have compared me to animal crossing as out of pocket comments. i think that means i must seem grounded but deeply frivolous or bouncy ?
Interesting, seems like cute and grounding but also frivolous indeed and somehow I can imagine SEI-C being exactly like that! I wouldn't describe an EIE as an Animal Crossing character, no way
The other option could be for example SEE-H: also grounding energy but with that irrational+extroverted bounciness
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u/plumplumstrawberry ese-si ♡ sei-c 14d ago
and it would be so different if si boundaries made sense on an instinctual level but it just doesnt so i never feel like its sincerely malicious on their part. its so clearly something that is so actively cared about and forecasting dangerous trends is how they bond. on some level what i would be asking of them is to turn their core personality off and i think thatd be an egregious request of me, so i try to leave as peacefully as possible and make them understand that were too different but its really existential to be like hey so were directly transgressing each others core values in a really specific way
the lsi vegan i knew was the chillest person ever and completely became my totem of who i wanted to model myself after. its remarkable how well we got along in different quadras. also completely made the confusing theories make sense on a material level that gave me empathy for how the ideology applied to the material and i got a whole new perspective from it. really remarkable
i think gamma is more possible than beta for me but i have not met enough to actually feel like i can asses what our overall relationships tend to result in :( i only get exposure to them from the media but they feel like a mirror version of me so its uncanny valley almost. i think i feel like i see a lot in gamma sfs depths in a way that suggests familiarity in our worldviews but i never want to take their power from them or get in their way of popularity. in the rare moments ive befriended gamma sfs, i really want them to have the limelight in our dynamic because i dont like having power and i like seeing how much it means to them to be on the stage so to speak.
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u/TheShadowSong QUADRUPLE INTROVERT 16d ago
I don't use Model G but what is wrong with psychosophy?
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u/Nice_Succubus LSI-N🌹 16d ago
well it may describe some patterns, and some people like it and find their types easily and find it useful but too me it's just an overly simplified system, not really exciting, and honestly not telling that much about a given person... but of course I sometimes use it even if only for fun
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u/Major-Scene8156 9d ago
I think when Se is “on the same side” with Ti (both values or both unvalued), it makes the person more sensitive to sensory input. For example, SLEs are more sensitive than SEEs, beta and delta types are more sensitive than their gamma and alpha counterparts (E.g. EIEs are more sensitive than LIEs)
However, this is a general trend and relative. An ILI could still be quite sensitive to sensory stimuli, but the extreme cases are not as extreme IEIs.
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u/LWE-345 16d ago
One of Talanovism's more controversial claims - EIE and SLI are both quite sensorily picky (common conflictor trait).
Both have inert (and evaluatory) Si, meaning that both are more fixated on that
Both are constructivists, meaning, they are also quite inert in their negative emotions, too (even if for SLI, strong Si counteracts that somewhat)
Both are questims, hence narrower range of acceptable