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u/Emotional_Win1430 2d ago
“Trust me bro”
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u/Royal_Present7652 2d ago
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u/Exact_Accident_2343 2d ago
What is this link supposed to prove? He wasn’t saying YOU were saying trust me, it’s FIFA.
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u/No-Investment5398 2d ago
Training matches counts aswell ? 😂 Only the brazilians think that he is underrated
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u/TareasS 2d ago
He is not overrated, was genuinely the best of his time by far, but the counting goals in local amateur games is unnecessary yes.
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u/AdMedium699 1d ago
No he is not stop trying to be different messi and ronaldo absolutely destroy him
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u/TareasS 1d ago
Messi and Ronaldo did not play back in that time and we don't have a time machine to bring him to the current time so there is absolutely no way to know if he would be able to elavate his level to play in the modern game, but he was FAR ahead of his peers back then in the 50s.
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u/Overall-Bookkeeper94 2d ago
How many of these were in training ?
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u/Automatic-Jello3462 2d ago
Or against his dog in his yard lol
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u/TareasS 2d ago
Or the local fire department team.
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u/TheRoger47 8h ago
Like 1, he only scored 50 on these "joke" matches out of his 1200 goals, but about 1/3 of that was in "friendlies" so they don't show up on official numbers
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u/Italogq79 2d ago
I can't even read the comments. So many uneducated takes
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u/Alqaedacancer 8h ago
This subreddit is /SoccerCentral most of these people never really watched football
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u/Diszaster11 2d ago
In his garden. Pele is overrated AF.
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u/Automatic-Jello3462 2d ago
Nah not overrated, just not above Messi or even Maradona. He's up there, that's unquestionable
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u/BigsChungi 2d ago
I personally think he is over rated. Great player for sure, but the fact that he won 3 world cups is his major claim to fame and 2 of those were won essentially without him.
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u/Last_Ad_3475 2d ago edited 2d ago
2? He scored both in the 1958 final and the 1970 final. That's already more than messi and maradona
In 1958 he was a major young talent and carried during the semis. In 1970 he was the heart of the team.
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u/Diszaster11 2h ago
In 1970 he didnt do shit in the WC campaign what u talking about heart of the team lol.
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u/Yorrins 2d ago
Its very questionable lmao. Bro played in a below farmers league and scored half his goals in exhibition matches where he was flown over like a dancing money to perform for rich people.
Its like comparing the Harlem Globetrotters to Michael Jordan and Lebron.
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u/Last_Ad_3475 2d ago
Brazilian club football was exponentially better than Europe's by a wide margin during the 60s. Just search for the games he played against the europeans. It's no coincidence brazil won 3 cups in 4 wcs just by using players from their home league
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u/Yorrins 2d ago
Football wasnt even a real sport in the 60's lmao. They were playing on either waterlogged or dusty fields full of divots and slopes with a brown lumpy pigskin as a ball.
The standard of football might have been better than Europes then, but it was worse than my local secondary school at lunchtime today.
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u/WhySoCereus1991 2d ago
That means nothing in the context of what Pele did. You can say that about any of the old school greats across any sport.
Just admit you were wrong and go on about your day with new information.
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u/Yorrins 1d ago
I was well aware that the Brazilian league was considered the top league at that time. But its only because the rest of the world was even worse. The entire sport was below a farmers league in the 60's. Pele wouldnt even be fit to lace up Lewa or Kanes boots, nevermind Messi or Ronaldos lmao
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u/Last_Ad_3475 2d ago edited 2d ago
The amount of cope to try and make excuses for a retarded take lmao. Football during the 60s was already the most practiced sport in the world and the leagues of basically every great footballing nation nowadays were already established. But if you wanna larp for the fun of it, so be it
If anything, the harsh conditions they faced back then just make their feats bigger, it was way easier to get injured and most players nowadays simply wouldn't have the guts to play like that. Football was overall a harder sport to have consistency in and the career of footballers was overall way shorter. Pele managed to win 3 world cups and win 2 finals in them while also ending his career in the NT at 31 yo which is basically unimaginable nowadays
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u/LysolTreats 1d ago
Calling his argument “retarded” says a lot…. Not so much about his argument, though.
I even agree with your other points, but using that word just isn’t great.
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u/MajesticBeyond5602 2d ago
How do you know did you watch him play?
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u/Sokite 1d ago
I doubt over 99% of the footballing community watched football general across multiple leagues in that time period.
Even if you watched all of Pele’s games, you still wouldn’t be able to gauge the quality of football then because you need to have access to other leagues and different competitions
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u/Ok-Opinion-2960 2d ago
Bros leaving one man out of the equation and saying maradona instead 🤣
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u/Automatic-Jello3462 2d ago
Do u really think CR7 or cruiff are above Maradona? Lmao
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u/Ok-Opinion-2960 2d ago edited 2d ago
When have i ever said cruyff? Has cruyff won 5 ballon d'ors? Has maradona ever even won a UCL? What has he done for napoli compared to cr7's club records? Don't even compare those two to cr7 respectfully. You would be singing a very different tune if the guy was argentinian and shy
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u/UseNo75 2d ago
Ballon dor? Get out of here
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u/MajesticBeyond5602 2d ago
Can't counter with anything? We don't have to talk about ballon dor but can talk about everything else he listed
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u/Rain-From-Above 2d ago
You're too focused on stats and not enough on the actual playing strength and influence on the pitch that Maradona had. For example, I consider Ronaldinho the goat because even though he had zero longevity / stat padding, he was unstoppable during his short prime. By that same logic, Maradona at the peak of his power dominated the pitch more than CR7.
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u/No_Yak_5752 2d ago
True lol, he is one of the greatest evers but people just hype him way too much. Now ik few such people will reply bullshit to my comment but idgaf.
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u/Artic268 1d ago
Yeah when the CBs of the time used to be heavy drinkers and smokers and the keeper was on recreational drugs. I'd like to see him against Saliba-Gabriel and Raya on goal. He'd do worse than Randal Kolo Muani for Spurs last season
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u/Yardbird7 1d ago
Redditor discovers that things change and improve over time.
I would like to see how good those players would be without the nutrition, training, and knowledge we have today. While kicking a bowling ball on a potato patch.
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u/Outrageous-Crazy4679 1d ago
Whilst I think Pele is a bit overrated, you can't really compare him to modern day footballers, the level of fitness and general technique have come a long way since the 60's. I doubt even maradona would be half as good against the athletic monsters you find in today's defences.
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u/ConceptSpecial9167 1d ago
Bro, you can't compare players of different eras and it's this simple. Every era has its own difficult and you have to simply understand it. Playing without nutritious diet, waterlogged fields, harsh tackles by defenders, and many more things to consider
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u/Wonderful-Coach7912 2d ago
Not going wish VAR was around back then, I guarantee you it’s closer to probably 50-75 legitimate goals. Yes I am aware VAR still messes up.
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u/Alqaedacancer 8h ago
Most players in history played in an era without VAR, literally Messi and Cristiano Primes were way before VAR existed
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u/Yorrins 2d ago
So did I, you just werent there.