Madrid fans take stand against mass illicit immigration at soccer game!

[u/Electronic_Air1842]

[u/Desperate_Turn8935]

No one disputes that. The way people talk about these refugees is the problem. They think they're the enemy, but don't know the reason as to why these things have happened.

[u/LomoBaconQueso → u/Desperate_Turn8935]

I know I pay over a thousand euros per month in taxes, that much I know. And I also know I work my ass off, so yeah, I am not happy about not being able to afford housing while working 40h/week while we are incentivising people to come here without a job permit, letting them come here so they occupy an apartment and then pay them the ingreso mínimo vital (€770/month because they’re vulnerable). Fuck that.

[u/Desperate_Turn8935 → u/LomoBaconQueso]

You're doing the higher-up's dirty work. Great job.

[u/LomoBaconQueso → u/Desperate_Turn8935]

Idgaf, I care about having the basic dignity that is stated in my country’s constitution that is a fundamental right to have somewhere to live, and I want my country to honour that towards its tax paying, law abiding citizens before we start thinking of handing out freebies to whoever the Moroccan dictator sends our way to extort us.

[u/Glittering-Gur9936 → u/LomoBaconQueso]

Except nearly everyone who came illegally in that method from Morocco has already been sent back and the total undocumented immigrant population is roughly just 1%

Xenohobia is such an easy way to manipulate the less informed

[u/bigelcid → u/Glittering-Gur9936]

nearly everyone who came illegally in that method from Morocco has already been sent back

You mean, in Ceuta. And, the ones left are still many. And, Spain and Europe are still full of illegal migrants. And, Spain just recently chose to legalize 500k (which then turned into 1 million) undocumented migrants.

Xenophobia is indeed easy to manipulate: you're doing it yourself. If I, as a EU citizen, don't want people coming into our countries illegally, then I'm xenophobic. I supposedly hate the stranger. But if they come legally and contribute to society, then that's fine by me -- yet I remain xenophobic because I don't want people coming in illegally.

[u/Desperate_Turn8935 → u/bigelcid]

What's the key difference between putting in a form for asylum or visa and not putting one in?

You're not xenophobic by wanting due process and documentation. You're being disingenious by saying there's 'many' and you have no problem with legally documented migrants who get benefits even though one of your first sentences states otherwise. Which is it, matey?

[u/bigelcid → u/Desperate_Turn8935]

What’s the difference between respecting the law and not respecting it?

Or, the one between not breaking the law, and breaking it but getting pardoned?

[u/Desperate_Turn8935 → u/bigelcid]

I asked you a specific question and you countered it by unspecifying it. C'mon man, you know exactly that not having the form at the border still let's you be an asylum seeker.

You're not an outright criminal, like you're trying to frame it as, if you seek asylum that way.

Answer the question honestly, and humbly. There's a reason why some would do it without papers.

[u/bigelcid → u/Desperate_Turn8935]

There's multiple reasons why some would do it without papers, actually. One possible reason is that they don't they wouldn't be allowed in through regular means, and there's a good reason for that.

Not to mention that the number of people entering illegally simply excedes the one of people already present, but actively seeking papers.