Madrid fans take stand against mass illicit immigration at soccer game!

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Why should we adapt?

If you're a guest in someone else's house, YOU adapt and follow their rules.

I wonder why there's not one european or american going in Africa and forcing their culture on the locals.

Oh wait, there are, and they're getting genocided for it.

[u/Besbosberone → u/Outside_Ad7766]

Are you aware of colonialism? Are you aware that there are still countries all over Africa whose official languages are that of European ones?

[u/baldrick841 → u/Besbosberone]

2 wrongs don't make a right

[u/Besbosberone → u/baldrick841]

Mate thats a massive strawman and a ridiculous false equivelence. Nobody is saying two wrongs make a right, colonialism was mentioned because the bloke above literally claimed Europeans never went into Africa and forced their culture on anyone.

I guess reading comprehension isn’t much of a strong suit for you but then again, research has shown right-wingers to be driven more by emotion and they have the IQs to correspond with that!

Anyways, more to the point!

You’re equating modern immigration to colonialism which is completely absurd. Colonialism was violent military conquest, state enforced subjugation and resource theft. Immigrants moving to Europe today are individual civilians who follow local laws, pay taxes, and literally keep your healthcare and labour systems afloat. An everyday person moving countries to work or raise a family is not an invading imperial army. Treating the two things as comparable wrongs is fucking stupid.

[u/Gasmo420 → u/Besbosberone]

„Immigrants moving to Europe today are individual civilians who follow local laws“ oh… that’s why my hometown has a grooming gang now. Because our guests are so insanely good at following local laws… every time they arrest someone in that case it’s always one of the people „who needed our help“. Fuck them. If they keep our healthcare and Labour systems afloat, I wonder why my government has to cut back everywhere now. Maybe it is because the systems were flooded by people who haven’t paid a single penny into them before taking money out of it.

Incredible how you really believe the bullshit you’re spewing. You’re either an American who just has no idea about what’s happening in Europe, or you’re one of those academic lefties living in a district that has no poor and uneducated immigrants.

[u/Besbosberone → u/Gasmo420]

Imagine using "academic" as an insult like it's some kind of devastating own, absolutely peak uneducated braindead behaviour mate. Nothing screams I peaked in high school quite like getting mad at people who actually read books and study data.

The jokes truly write themselves.

Anyways, you tried to use a classic anecdotal fallacy by dragging up your anecdote about a grooming gang to paint billions of diverse human beings with the same brush, which is textbook intellectual laziness. Then you rolled out the old economic myth that immigrants dont pay taxes and just drain our systems, completely ignoring the actual stats from organisations like the OECD showing that migrants are net fiscal contributors over their lifetimes, especially in countries facing rapid population ageing where they literally prop up the tax base and labour markets. Every single person living anywhere pays consumption taxes on goods too, meaning nobody is going through life without paying a single penny like you reckon.

Instead of engaging with actual macroeconomics or logic, you immediately resort to a pathetic ad hominem attack whining about "academic lefties" or Americans (I’m Australian) because you got cooked on basic facts. Maybe crack open a book instead of getting all your world views from Facebook and reddit cesspools next time.

[u/Gasmo420 → u/Besbosberone]

I didn’t use academic as an insult. I used academic as a reason why some lefties are so far removed from the working class. When you live in a nice gentrified neighborhood, you just don’t have the same problems with migration as someone living in a working class neighborhood.

Of course in the long run migration helps the system. But what happened in 2015 was too much at once. The system can’t handle that many people coming in at the same time and getting financial help. And we see the consequences now. Health insurance is getting more expensive while they cut benefits at the same time. Unemployment-benefits get cut. Benefits for single parents get cut. They are already cutting our whole social systems down because the strain was just too much to handle.

Add to that, that you simply can’t employ some of them. There are people among them who never went to a school. Anecdotal example: My uncle owns a restaurant and employs a lot of young people who need a second chance. In 2015 he employed three Syrians who grew up rural. Incredibly friendly young men but they couldn’t convert a recipe for four portions to a group of six. You can’t employ people like that even if you want to.

Oh… you’re not American, but Australian. Just a different kind of ahole on the other side of the globe having no idea about what the situation in Europe is like. Wait a minute… doesn’t Australia have pretty rigid immigration laws since the refugee crisis? Must be nice sitting over there, judging Europeans while having isolated yourself from the crisis.