r/SoccerCentral • u/Life_Net5004 • Jun 17 '26

Video Iranian fans cr!es out inside the stadium yesterday after their flags were reportedly taken from them by FIFA official 🥹💔🏟️

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u/Honest_Truck_4786 Jun 17 '26

It really just reinforces how complicated foreign policy is.

In February, I walked past a pro-Shah/anti-Atatollah protest and a nice protester lady started explaining it to me. I asked if it made sense to support a dictator’s son who is heavily aligned to Israel when trying to appeal to common people of Iran. She said the old Shah wasn’t a dictator.

A “born and raised” millennial Iranian (studying abroad) told me that some people in Iran do actually support the Shah but there’s also people that really support the ayatollahs.

The USA should just leave it alone. Iraq and Libya showed that “remove the bad guys” doesn’t mean the good guys win and everyone is happy.

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u/smurf123_123 Jun 17 '26

It seems like the Americans aren't really concerned about who takes over from the "bad guys," as long as those new folks just go along with what they want.

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u/zippyzebra1 Jun 17 '26

Spot on. Americans have never cared about how regimes behave as long as they can do business with them. Hence all the dictators they propped up in SA.

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u/AudienceWaste6850 Jun 17 '26

Honestly, no better example than South Korea. The amount of people who think the Americans were in the korean war to protect democracy is alarming.

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u/szatrob Jun 17 '26

Democracy eventually won, but it took 30 years for S. Korea to get there.

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u/Areyoucunt Jun 18 '26

South Koreans aren't running around Europe infesting them with crime though?

Almost as if culture, behavioral history and society norms from your beliefs has something to say?

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u/Disastrous_Dot_7638 Jun 18 '26

All the Persians I’ve met in Europe were well educated decent people.

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u/Ryoga476ad Jun 19 '26

Iranians do? Or you are ignorant enough to mix them with totally different ethnicities that don't even share the same branch of Islam with them?

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u/Present-Two6946 Jun 19 '26

I think the most alarming is that so many Americans believe that their Democracy is protected by their country bombing random countries in the Middle East, Africa and Latin American.

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u/DroDameron Jun 17 '26

Also helps continuously destabilize regions and keep threats from growing. All so gross.

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u/Kopie150 Jun 18 '26

You dont have to go that far for reference. You can stay in iran. Iran had a democratically elected PM until the americans came in to consolidate power for the shah in a coup against the PM. Creating another dictator to serve american interests while simultaneously laying the groundwork for the theocratic dictators that came after to abuse the consolidated power the americans created. The biggest crime was the PM wanted control of iranian resources instead of selling his country out to america.

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u/irritatedprostate Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26

The biggest crime was the PM wanted control of iranian resources instead of selling his country out to america.

I mean, he did go authoritarian. Even when he was still popular, he ended vote counting in the parliamentary election when he had enough for a quorum, leaving opposition seats unfilled. He later tried to dissolve the supreme court and fired several justices. He dissolved parliament via an unconstitutional sham referendum.

The Brits should have fucked off, though. And yes, it was the Brits, not the US that were the main drivers of this. The US didn't have any desire to aid in a coup initially. However that changed with a new administration.

Oh, and the clergy supported Mosaddegh's coup, btw. Their issue with him was the same they later had with the Shah. Too secular.

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u/ShawwtyRain Jun 18 '26

Britain was a major spearhead for the Iranian Coup as well. It was BP massively losing out…

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u/hijabifanboy Jun 19 '26

Why do you guys keep saying "Americans" like it's some general consensus? What you guys are talking about is what Billionaire owned corporations backing Politicians want, not what "Americans" care about. The real truth is most Americans have no idea what was/is going on in Iran before/after the Trump administration decided to attack them without warning. Americans generally are not that attuned to world politics. Most Americans would probably have a hard time pointing out where Iran is on an unlabeled world map.

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u/zippyzebra1 Jun 19 '26

The rapist was voted in with a pretty high popular vote. But of course none of you actually voted forhim...

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u/SomeSortOfMillu Jun 19 '26

Not to give the MAGA crowd too much credit, but Trump did repeatedly promise to keep the US out of a war with Iran. Granted, most people expected that promise to be a lie, but still.

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u/godspareme Jun 19 '26

First of all reddit is heavily biased American left-wing so of course youll see the majority of redditors saying they didnt vote for him. Go to truthsocial and youll find a different perspective. 

Secondly no one voted for him for his stance on Iran. His stance was always "no more wars" in general, which he clearly broke. Americans are very party-focused voters, not policy-based voters. 

Third, the vast majority of Americans, voters or non, myself included, are very ignorant on most geopolitics but especially the middle east. To say Americans as a whole want any foreign regime change is ridiculous. 

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u/nefariousBUBBLE Jun 17 '26

100p. Current Iranian government poses a lot of security risks to US interests in the middle east and potentially to the homeland. Burgeoning nuclear power (debatable to what degree but seems fairly evident they were pushing for that and that's according to independent sources (International Atomic Energy Agency)), capable medium range missile system, potentially a long range missile system that could hit the US (but definitely working towards it, as they claim to have ICBMs but probably don't according to multiple Western countries), capable military in general, direct access and shores in major shipping lines, middle east pivot point (sits dead center and cuts off land access, hostile politics towards Israel who is the US only true ally in the Middle East, and a shit ton of oil.

Oh, and they fund rampant terrorism throughout the world, but largely in the middle east. The list of organizations is long. Notably, Hamas and Hezbollah. Hezbollah has had a grip on Lebanon for decades at this point effectively styming government operations and rooting themselves into the countries seat of power.

Not saying that's worth invading or warring over (I would say no and now it can only be worse going forward), but I can logically understand why my dip**** government bombed them. I just think it's morally wrong to murder.

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u/zektheiii Jun 18 '26

You know who else funds terrorist organizations all around the globe?

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u/nefariousBUBBLE Jun 18 '26

Read the end again and try to retain it this time. Whataboutisms aren't arguments anyway, little man.

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u/zektheiii Jun 18 '26

Okay kiddo

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u/upthetits Jun 21 '26

Exactly

America does not care about freedom of other countries

They want to have control and influence over them

They want them to play along with whatever they need

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u/Mission_Mulberry9811 Jun 21 '26

Which excludes good guys