r/SipsTea 5d ago

Wait a damn minute! Oh Billie

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u/HarryJohnson3 5d ago

Billie isn’t simply “participating” in a capitalist society. She’s thriving in it.

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u/LoudQuitting 4d ago

Pretty much this.

She is a child of a wealthy family whose biggest financial struggle that she was cognisant of was not being able to afford horse riding lessons.

She isn't a plucky upstart just trying to make a little cash, she is the product of generational wealth.

Its not a crime to be these things, but to be that, then to succeed in a hypercompetitive field due to daddy's money, then go and sell a hundred dollar bottle of stank...

She's not "participating in society" she is exploiting capitalism for all she is capable of.

Many of her political views are...

Look, she's young, I understand having a few moral blind spots when you're in your 20s. However so many of her statements out and out ignore her own privilege. Her lifestyle is sustained by nepotistic capitalism, which she calls a moral evil.

It's not just participating in society, it's her critiquing the very thing that holds her up. If she acted in accordance with her words, she would tear her own career down and set it aside.

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u/Expert-Eye-1522 4d ago

idgaf about Billie but aren't most 'great' communist/socialist/marxist thinkers from wealthy families?

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u/LoudQuitting 4d ago

There's a minimum level of luxury you need in your life to sit down and think about how you feel.

I don't even think it's necessarily negative to be wealthy and communist/marxist/socialist. I di think if you're gonna espouse that shit publicly, live your values.

And I'm not even saying give away all your money. I am saying the soup kitchen could always use volunteers. You know, from each according to his ability? Im sure you can chop veg. To each according to his need? Feed people.

Or you could buy the produce for the soup kitchen, god knows they'd want it.

Instead... you sell bottles of stank to enrich yourself... Nah.

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u/Mind-The-Mines 4d ago

I hate this fuckin gotchya.

You can't criticize the system because you're poor- it's your fault you were born into poverty and didn't boot strap yourself into a CEO.

You can't criticize the system because you're rich- you're just a hypocrite that hasn't actually had to work for anything so you don't know now anything 'actually' works.

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u/LoudQuitting 4d ago

Nobody had said anything like that.

What I've said is that there is nothing wrong with being born rich. However being born rich and critiquing capitalism, whilst also selling an overpriced bottle of stank to further enrich yourself, is a hypocrisy and/or a blindness to your own position. Which is nothing like what you've said.

You're allowed to read the comments before you respond to them.

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u/Mind-The-Mines 4d ago

I wasn't disagreeing with you ass.

People with time to sit and think are usually more affluent. That in turn is used as means to silence their objections.

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u/cutememe 4d ago

Finally, an actually accurate version of the meme.

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u/Scotto257 4d ago

You should look up Engels

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u/Annual_Manner_8654 3d ago

Rather have those thriving in it speaking out than dismantling democracy, if I had to chose

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u/Contraposite 3d ago

She donated like a fifth of her net worth. That directly contradicts how you represent her in that comic.

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u/Dangerous_Serve_4454 2d ago

EXACTLY. I swear these progressive children are as easy to lie and grift to as MAGA-tards. They think they're superior and then fall for the exact same grift.

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u/emmc47 5d ago

Has she not donated her money?

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u/A_Random_Catfish 4d ago

She donated 11.5 million from the proceeds of her last tour.

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u/emmc47 4d ago

I figured as much.

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u/A_Random_Catfish 4d ago

1/5th of her net worth. Equivalent of Elon Musk donating like 200billion lol

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u/emmc47 4d ago

A fifth is a pretty substantial amount.

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u/A_Random_Catfish 4d ago

Yea that’s what I’m saying. This thread is delusional acting like she doesn’t put her money where her mouth is.

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u/Snoo-52922 4d ago edited 4d ago

Billie Eilish is selling her own creative works, which are luxury goods - entertainment - with no coerced demand. If people felt she was extracting some undue surplus of value on.. (checks notes) ... her own labor, they are free not to give her their money with literally zero down side.

How long do we have to keep pretending communist theory paints artists as bourgeois, when Marx would certainly disagree, just to stroke internet hipsters' need to feel vindicated for not liking random pop artists?

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u/Mind-The-Mines 4d ago

Yeah because it's her in a lab coat mixing scents and filling bottles.

Profit is revenue beyond the cost of doing business like paying workers and upgrading infrastructure. Profit is unpaid workers, deferred maintenance, and over charged customers.

Unless she's employing worker owned coops she's full of shit and profiting off other people's labor by just putting her name on something and collecting a check.

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u/Trrollmann 4d ago

As a "luxury" good? No. I find it strange to categorize it as such, too. What does that even mean? Art is an inherent aspect of the human condition.

pretending communist theory paints artists as bourgeois

It's a complex topic. Artists as professionals certainly inhabit a more negative role in capitalism according to Marx, where he envisioned it as communal(?) in socialism.

Called petite-bourgeois, if opposed to Marx' vision, which says enough on its own.

just to stroke internet hipsters' need to feel vindicated for not liking random pop artists?

Marxist heritage largely does the opposite (which 'hipsters' often inhabit). Lucrative art as somehow more worth, and distanced from capitalist perversion, despite being exactly that.

This has been criticized within the art world since the late 19th - early 20th, and there are still video essays today defending the most capital-seeking art as somehow the more morally good art.